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FireCat

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#5259
Sep 27, 2008
 
Whiston, I think that's yet another thing they didn't know on the old forum--about the bulb trash.
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Sep 27, 2008
 
paris wrote:
In trying to find the bar sighting, I thought this might be of interest. I know some have seen this already but still:
posted 09-29-2004 07:57 AM
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Article from the Boston Herald
Woman foils abduction in Burlington
By Herald staff
Monday, September 6, 2004
Burlington police are searching for a white man who tried to drag a 35-year-old woman into a dark-colored SUV in broad daylight Saturday morning.
The man, who appeared to be in his late 20s, had asked several others directions before trying to abduct a woman who was out walking on Terrace Hall Avenue at about 7:45 a.m.
``He jumped out of the vehicle and tried to drag her into the driver's side of the vehicle,'' said Burlington police Sgt. Glen Mills.``We know it happened because two women witnessed it.''
When the woman fought back, and the witnesses ran to help her, the man got scared and fled.
He was described as 5-foot-8-inches in height, about 160 to 170 pounds with short brown hair.
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Is this the same Burlington that Maura had searched on Mapquest??
Hi Paris,
How've you been? This is a different Burlington that Maura searched for. It's not in Vermont but is a suburb (commercial, business and industrial in part) west of Boston, MA; the attempted abduction was a bit north of the Burlington Mall.
elsewherebriefly

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Euro,

I forgot to mention in my last post. There is a man, listed on the DOE Network, by the name of Benjamin Kyle who is an amnesia victim here in the US. I have also read Fugue Sydrome mentioned in different articles as well.

His experience as being an amnesia victim for the past few years and atttempting to be identified is what I based my opinions on when I stated people's ingrained personality traits don't change.

I sincerely hope someone comes forward and identifies him, he cannot secure a job because he doesn't know his social security number. Thankfully he's been able to rely on the help of the many friends he's made in GA over the years who are also trying to help him find his family and roots.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/strange/ne...
elsewherebriefly

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#5262
Sep 27, 2008
 
oops, I forgot to mention that Benjamin Kyle doesn't know his real name either. The name he uses now is one he created himself.
Professor Plum

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#5263
Sep 27, 2008
 
Its far more reasonable to assume that:

A criminal might shop for a doppleganger in a populated area in Amherst (Say to rob a mark's ATM machine for drugs)

then assuming that

Maura's doppleganger lived in a remote area, happened to be a criminal and just happened to have one to two people ready and waiting to abduct Maura and move the car to cover up evidence.
Professor Plum

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"I have also read Fugue Sydrome mentioned in different articles as well."
Me too. Blinking red lights causing amnesia - who are you kidding?
But hey - as Firecat has pointed out - we are right on track talking about blinking lights ans psychic visions.
I had more interesting things to say as Yoda then all of this nonsense.
But I'm sure these folks have "very good reasons" for this discussion to be viciously defended.
elsewherebriefly

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When I made that comment about Fugue Syndrome I was talking about,Benjamin Kyle, an actual human being who was found naked and beaten beside a dumpster only to wake up in a hospital in GA and not know who he is.

He was diagnosed with amnesia, Fugue Syndrome has been mentioned as well. The poor guy has been searching for his identity for years!

Mean, nasty, and petty people suck!

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Professor Plum,
Whether fugue states can be caused by a long-term exposion to e.g. blinking lights, etc, is open to debate.
However, fugue as a medical condition (and similar syndromes of severe amnesia) have been fully recognised by the medical profession for a very long time and has nothing whatsoever to do with "psychic visions". To suggest anything of the kind is extremely ignorant.
These distressing conditions are known to be caused primarily by long-term exposure to severe stress.
Nothing at all amusing, as you seem to think...
citigirl

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#5267
Sep 27, 2008
 
Professor Plum wrote:
Its far more reasonable to assume that:
A criminal might shop for a doppleganger in a populated area in Amherst (Say to rob a mark's ATM machine for drugs)
then assuming that
Maura's doppleganger lived in a remote area, happened to be a criminal and just happened to have one to two people ready and waiting to abduct Maura and move the car to cover up evidence.
Professer Plum this is an interesting theory. any thoughts of what you think happened after Maura was abducted?
whiston

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#5268
Sep 27, 2008
 
hi Firecat and all.it was reported on the last forum that light bulb boxes and empty paper bags were in the saturn.i cannot imagine that one iota of the car contents were thrown away.i only assume that it was deemed not a good idea to post the contents of the car just as we dont' know the contents of Mauras room in amherst,where she worked ,had classes , did her clinicals or had her oil changed.before the relatives jump in here, please dont'.i just dont' know why it cannot be posted and i would rather hear that than we dont' know. take care philip
FireCat

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Professor Plum wrote:
"I have also read Fugue Sydrome mentioned in different articles as well."
Me too. Blinking red lights causing amnesia - who are you kidding?
But hey - as Firecat has pointed out - we are right on track talking about blinking lights ans psychic visions.
I had more interesting things to say as Yoda then all of this nonsense.
But I'm sure these folks have "very good reasons" for this discussion to be viciously defended.
Wow. Someone's reading skills really need to be developed. I'd love to know where I EVER said something like that.
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Sep 27, 2008
 
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CNN Transcript 2/17/2004
According to the local authorities, as well as eyewitnesses, Maura was seen at the vehicle not
more than a minute before the authorities arrived at the scene, which leads us to believe that
she was either picked up by an individual immediately after eyewitnesses saw her, or she walked up the road and was picked up then. The police themselves conducted a very thorough search
with the Fish and Game folks here in the area, and with a dog scent leading only a few hundred feet from the accident and abruptly stopping, which again suggests that someone did, in fact, pick her up.

I copy/pasted this ONLY to remind the occasional Posters who find it amusing who assume different names, only to write nonsense, that we care about Maura's fate.

Elsewhere already wrote some words. I will add arrogance and cruelty.
Cruelty might very well be the reason that Maura is missing.
The family needs and wants useful information.
elsewherebriefly

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Was just reviewing Maura's Case Picture Sampler that Silky/Beth kindly posted for everyone.

Maura's album has received 4309 views.

http://travel.webshots.com/album/555304776CRl...

Friendly reminder/link to Maura's case chart by Advocator as well.

http://docs.google.com/View...
paris

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Does anybody really think that Maura would start acting out of sorts and then get doppleganged by remote control? Supposed to sound crazy because it is.
Oh yeah, she was moved to fall apart Thursday night. Waves of subliminal messaging pouring through her mind.........go to the ATM, do this and that on your computer, call your dad, get the papers for the accident, then drive away til we nab you.
It's simple. Something was just too much for her and the only mistake she made was not telling someone or writing it down. If somebody was told, they should speak up to Fred himself.
Maura was on a mission to go help someone if you ask me. Maybe just herself, but just the same.
Something happened when she stopped for gas or whatever, either that or when she first banged up the car so you couldn't possibly see where you're going with headlights like that.
That's if that part is even true as well. To look at the car it makes one wonder if the damage was done to it later, to really make it fit with whatever it needed to fit with.
I have faith that police are keeping that car for a reason. We hate to wait, we hate to wonder, but we keep at it for the sake of a missing person named Maura.
I can only hope that police intentionally put out this and that info to throw any perp off in terms of how safe they might be at any given moment.
75% chance of prosecution does not sound like an innocent thing. Does not sound like a suicide because who are they gonna charge if so, Maura?
Does not sound like a run away either because she would become wanted if she was thought to be hiding out and guilty of something.
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paris

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Sep 28, 2008
 
GRAHRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR R
Pisses me off
If somebody reading here knows something just say it, get it off your chest.
If there is no one who will speak up for Maura then I guess we have to keep screwing around while we wait for the real truth to come out. Because it will come out and why wait. Why wait?

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#5275
Sep 28, 2008
 
Hello paris,

However much I do agree and sympathise with your expressed feelings of frustration (which I´m sure we all share here), let´s not forget that there is a possibility, however small, that Maura might be in hiding because of some kind of situation which we know nothing about.

Consider for exemple that Maura just might be feeling at least partially guilty if she had lent her car to a friend who then was responsible for hitting Petrit Vasi in Amherst while perhaps driving Maura´s Saturn.

Even though Mr Vasi by the grace of God made a miraculous recovery, there may well be outstanding legal issues to resolve in such a scenario.

I mean, the Saturn was legally the car of Maura´s father. He had lent it to Maura for her to use, but what if Maura in turn lent it to a friend of hers who just might have been behind the wheel when Mr Vasi was hit?

Does anyone here have an idea whether Maura would be risking any kind of legal proceedings if she were to make herself known, if we presume that such a scenario at least can not be completely dismissed.
What would the legal situation in MA be like in such a case?
Caveman Doppleganger Plum

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citigirl wrote:
<quoted text>Professer Plum this is an interesting theory. any thoughts of what you think happened after Maura was abducted?
If the criminals went "shopping" then they ended up not only robbing the ATM machine - but they bought some booze and drove up north to an area recited in the book "Without Peril" found in the car. Somewhere along the way they committed a crime against Maura.
Make some dents in the car on the way but leave it drivable. All designed to confuse investigators.(I conclude investigators were mislead only because she hasn't been found - the confusion is self evident, but the cause is not the above attempts to explain it)
I find it odd that directions to Vermont and New Hampshire were sought out - Maura had traveled in that direction for years. I'll bet there is signage at White Plains Junction where the 89 and 91 diverge 89 (Two down arrows) Bennington and 91 (Down Arrows) some New Hampshire town. Directions to Bennington should have been in her memory. I don't know for sure - but I'd go to Vegas on the signage - its an Interstate regular. I've never been in Vermont or New Hampshire. Washington D.C., Florida, New York City is as far North on the East coast as I've been.
Problem with this theory is that it requires everyone to misidentify "Maura's" picture at the ATM and Liquor Store (But I doubt the cameras were high quality like on TV - probably blurry enough to misidentify her. Police report in New Hampshire slightly misdescribed Maura.) If they wore gloves, no prints. Where the crime was committed and the fact that there was no blood found in Maura's dorm - could have been cleaned between Maura's last conversation with dad and departure - but could also be checked even though cleaned.(Was the dorm checked for this evidence? If so - then the theory has a problem - unless she was taken somewhere else. The question is where - to have a bloodied person go to shower unnoticed.
For some reason this has been unpopular. But in my mind could be a closer reflection to what the family believes is true about Maura: She doesn't drink and drive. Wouldn't turn down help. Wouldn't start a new life[1]. Also what is most realistic given the evidence.
[1] Which despite objections to her character, cleanly fits the facts if we add a helper that drove behind her and picked her up in the nick of time and supported her after the leave. It best explains her pre trip actions as explained by Eurobserver. AKA secret boyfriend. However, the ultimate outcome was probably a very bad one - as she has not contacted her family at all. This theory has some problems as explained by Eurobserver.
Problem with hitchhiker is that ultimately someone had to look like Maura, the end result.
If you believe Maura made it all the way to New Hampshire and was in that car - and you believe Mr. Atwood and the witnesses who saw a man smoking in the car and the commotion at the trunk - it still fits my favored theory that Maura was not there - but instead two criminal drifters who shopped for a look a like to get a mere $280 for booze and a free trip out of town.
Lastly - I also have a conspiracy theory - in which she was wisked away by people she knew to fake her death. The conspirators would simply follow Maura in a different car to a dumping point and take her to her final destination.
Its been explained - but buried somewhere in here - a logic diagram that if you read closely, you will see why I think it unlikely the car was moved only three miles and dumped with a look Maura-Look-alike in it - but no one else. Put shortly - it would take three people to do so.
Firecat: here is the origin of the flashing red light nonsense. Yes - Cavemen can read.
http://www.visionandpsychosis.net/Missing_Stu...
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Regarding questions that are asked and not answered, it is never with the intent to deceive nor to withhold under the premise of being evasive.

The statement that Frank Kelly (private investigator) a/k/a Weeper, made approximately a month ago, can be best taken into consideration. It is:

"You all need to keep in mind that in the process of a criminal "on-going investigation" even "public information" can be (and often is)witheld from public scrutiny. If you can't understand the reasoning for this, take up needle-point rather than investigations. I'm not being funny about this, I mean it.~Frank Kelly"
FireCat

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Caveman Doppleganger Plum wrote:
Firecat: here is the origin of the flashing red light nonsense. Yes - Cavemen can read.
http://www.visionandpsychosis.net/Missing_Stu...
Yeah, but did I post that? Did I say we were on the right track? Did I even respond positively to any of that? Cavemen obviously can't read all that WELL, because the answer is pretty much "No."
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