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citigirl
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Caveman Doppleganger Plum wrote: <quoted text> If the criminals went "shopping" then they ended up not only robbing the ATM machine - but they bought some booze and drove up north to an area recited in the book "Without Peril" found in the car. Somewhere along the way they committed a crime against Maura. Make some dents in the car on the way but leave it drivable. All designed to confuse investigators.(I conclude investigators were mislead only because she hasn't been found - the confusion is self evident, but the cause is not the above attempts to explain it) I find it odd that directions to Vermont and New Hampshire were sought out - Maura had traveled in that direction for years. I'll bet there is signage at White Plains Junction where the 89 and 91 diverge 89 (Two down arrows) Bennington and 91 (Down Arrows) some New Hampshire town. Directions to Bennington should have been in her memory. I don't know for sure - but I'd go to Vegas on the signage - its an Interstate regular. I've never been in Vermont or New Hampshire. Washington D.C., Florida, New York City is as far North on the East coast as I've been. Problem with this theory is that it requires everyone to misidentify "Maura's" picture at the ATM and Liquor Store (But I doubt the cameras were high quality like on TV - probably blurry enough to misidentify her. Police report in New Hampshire slightly misdescribed Maura.) If they wore gloves, no prints. Where the crime was committed and the fact that there was no blood found in Maura's dorm - could have been cleaned between Maura's last conversation with dad and departure - but could also be checked even though cleaned.(Was the dorm checked for this evidence? If so - then the theory has a problem - unless she was taken somewhere else. The question is where - to have a bloodied person go to shower unnoticed. For some reason this has been unpopular. But in my mind could be a closer reflection to what the family believes is true about Maura: She doesn't drink and drive. Wouldn't turn down help. Wouldn't start a new life[1]. Also what is most realistic given the evidence. [1] Which despite objections to her character, cleanly fits the facts if we add a helper that drove behind her and picked her up in the nick of time and supported her after the leave. It best explains her pre trip actions as explained by Eurobserver. AKA secret boyfriend. However, the ultimate outcome was probably a very bad one - as she has not contacted her family at all. This theory has some problems as explained by Eurobserver. Problem with hitchhiker is that ultimately someone had to look like Maura, the end result. If you believe Maura made it all the way to New Hampshire and was in that car - and you believe Mr. Atwood and the witnesses who saw a man smoking in the car and the commotion at the trunk - it still fits my favored theory that Maura was not there - but instead two criminal drifters who shopped for a look a like to get a mere $280 for booze and a free trip out of town. Lastly - I also have a conspiracy theory - in which she was wisked away by people she knew to fake her death. The conspirators would simply follow Maura in a different car to a dumping point and take her to her final destination. Its been explained - but buried somewhere in here - a logic diagram that if you read closely, you will see why I think it unlikely the car was moved only three miles and dumped with a look Maura-Look-alike in it - but no one else. Put shortly - it would take three people to do so. Firecat: here is the origin of the flashing red light nonsense. Yes - Cavemen can read. http://www.visionandpsychosis.net/Missing_Stu... I have always believed that something horrible happened to Maura in Amherst. So many areas have been searched but yet no Maura. Your theory is a good one. By using your theory any suggestions of where you would search?
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Södertälje, Sweden
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Hello citigirl, Although it certainly can not be dismissed, I find it rather unlikely that something bad happened to Maura while in Amherst. For one thing, why should any theoretical culprit(s) bother to somehow bring her car all the way to Haverhill, NH? Why not somewhere much closer to Amherst than NH, such as e.g. The Berkshires of MA? It just doesn´t make sense to me... IMHO.
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Shack
Carlisle, MA
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While reading Posts of Paris and Citigirl I felt their arrggghs and grrrs...Lady Gray I felt your words too..(through Weeper).. That horrible word "Wait"..We don't really have a choice. Weeper says basically .."we are working on it"...Is the SP as active too..? Does the family ever hear the words of "workin' on it" or "on going investigation" from SP..? argh n grrr... Quick question....was the cellophane (sp?) found in car, from the opening of a cigarette pack...? I don't believe Maura was followed for 146 miles. Friend or Foe? Why a foe...why drive/wait the 3ish hours to....? A friend..? Where is s/he..? Missing too..? Just doesn't make sense to me...none of this does. Firecat....WE know...not to worry . Elsewhere, appreciate the reminder of Silky/Beth site. She did so much to try to help. I miss that crazy person. It was a bit more than a year ago that I waved goodbye.
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Joined: Jul 8, 2008
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Middletown, VA
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citigirl wrote: <quoted text>I have always believed that something horrible happened to Maura in Amherst. So many areas have been searched but yet no Maura. Your theory is a good one. By using your theory any suggestions of where you would search? citigirl, I contemplated answering this and decided I would. More than a year ago, I decided I would get a psychic reading concerning Maura. It was the only session I have ever spent with a psychic. My question was, where can I find Maura..she answered not in NH and not in VT but in Littleton Mass. I can hear an explosion happening concerning psychics., but I wanted to respond to you with this anyway. People are very quick to judge without adding anything new.
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elsewherebriefly
Shallotte, NC
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Shack, I was looking at the access road to French Pond this morning. I think that link led to that particular photo in Maura's album. I was thinking about Kathleen finding a white pair of woman's underwear placed on top of the snow on a remote trail leading down to French Pond during the initial search. Just so we are all on the same page, the white pair of underwear were submitted to NHSP for DNA testing and it came up inconclusive. The underwear appeared too large to fit Maura. After much discussion about the underwear found at the base of the tree with the blue bow and pairs of underwear hung from tree limbs along the roadways on MMM.com it was also disclosed that the white pair of women's underwear where torn into two pieces. The missing bottles of liqour and the underwear missing from Maura's belongings have always been bothersome to me. The fact that the first pair of underwear were ripped into two pieces and placed neatly on top of the snow is bothersome to me as well. Well enough about that, my faith is in Weeper. On a lighter but still somewhat sad note: I was trying to remember the gift Silky gave you. I remember you gave Silky a stuffed Loon.
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elsewherebriefly
Shallotte, NC
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Firecat & Caveman, I'm not trying to throw Euro under the bus but I think he was the originator of the vision psychosis link. I interjected in the late regarding Benjamin Kyle. A man who is living with amnesia/fugue syndrom. I have always believed that if Maura did in fact have amnesia she would still want to find her family, much like Mr. Kyle. I am a believer in pshychics, mediums, and remote viewers though and for good reason. Living in the south/the bible belt I've been told that I'm going straight to hell so I could care less what anyone here on this forum says. I doubt it could be any worse than that.....lol.
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Middletown, VA
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elsewhere, I hear you loud and clearly. I blieve that people do not know what to think of psychics, mediums and remote viewers because they innately recognize these gifts within themserlves. All of us have had a moment when the telephone rings, we have a feeling we know who it is. It may be interesting to know that federal law enforcement uses these types of investigation techniques and also widespread military use.
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elsewherebriefly
Shallotte, NC
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1Anne, We were posting at the same time...lol. I came across an article that may be worth taking a moment to read. http://www.seacoastonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...
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Shack
Carlisle, MA
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Anne and Elsewhere..no explosion here... excellent Posts.....agree all 'round. I don't think that caring people would put down another's beliefs or thoughts. That town in MA is near my town...shiver.. Yeh, I gave Beth a small stuffed Loon, as a going away gift...when squeezed it had a Loon call.. told her to think of me, her Loony ol' friend.
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Shack
Carlisle, MA
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Elsewhere...forgot..answer...s mall jar with pine scented candle, a moose bank and a framed photo she took, of a Loon on my lake. The subject of psychics etc caused me to blow the dust off of some old books, sorcery, Witchcraft etc...I had forgotten that so many rituals/rites were derived from Catholicism...ie excommunication...literally bells, book and candles. People who scoff at what they don't understand, I guess is understandable. Also, of course, the fear...of the unknown. Fear of being laughed at...? Re: the under pants planted/strewn about that area...taunting/cruelty in attitude?..or what?... Re: Article ...very interesting ....gave me the creeps though....
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Emily
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Think a car that banged up would get driven to RMV?
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whiston
Wallingford, CT
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hi all.someone asked would Maura had needed directions to Burligton VT or Bartlett NH.Maybe the driver of the saturn would.also someone posted here that there was no liquor store video but either way those cameras are terrible.how many times do they show someone holding up a bank etc. and the photo is terrible.i am also assuming the very poor light conditions in an atm in feb .still dont know if it was drive up or not. if the Murrays have never seen the video from the atm,that seems really odd .take care philip
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Emily wrote: Think a car that banged up would get driven to RMV? Hello Emily, First of all, I would like to say welcome to this board. It´s always good to see new participants here who may be able to come up with new ideas and new ways of thinking in order to help us find Maura. Would you perhaps kindly care to elaborate your point somewhat for a dim-witted individual on the other side of "the Pond". I know that you probably refer to the Registry of Motor Vehicles in MA, but I don´t quite get your point otherwise. Please, illuminate me. Many thanks! Euro
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elsewherebriefly
Shallotte, NC
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As I stated before, I'm not implying Maura's case may be related the link I posted. MA/NH/ME seem to be been working together and pulling up cold cases acknowledging a serial killer, this was my point. There are (2) Manchester, NH murders mentioned in that article. Euro, RMV - I think Emily is referencing the fact that Maura printed out/retrieved an accident report to be filled out and submitted for the accident with her dad's Toyota. The blank report was found amidst her belongings. Welcome Emily.
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WTF
Bristol, CT
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Shack wrote: The subject of psychics etc caused me to blow the dust off of some old books, sorcery, Witchcraft etc...I had forgotten that so many rituals/rites were derived from Catholicism...ie excommunication...literally bells, book and candles. People who scoff at what they don't understand, I guess is understandable. The problem is we do understand it, and recognize it for what it is worth. Nothing. But please, the next time you are sick, especially if you need surgery. Call your local witch, psychic or sorcerer. Is that what you mean? Witch as healer. Witch as “wise women”? Or is it witch as intermediary between this world and the next kind of like a shaman. The next time a family member has a psychotic break go get them an exorcism. Yep, I have as much use for priests as I do witches, psychics, sorcerers, etc. These people can apparently bend nature to their will. I’m sure you know the story, raise the dead etc. At least the good ones can right? I mentioned before I really don’t care what fantasy you prefer. I just don’t see what relevance it has to the scientific process that this is. Worse than that it is a useless distraction. Again, you have managedt to take the focus away from Muara and divert it to a discussion that has no use. I mean if it really had any use, wouldn’t it have been showcased on CSI? Did I miss the episode where they taught the mystics’ guide to the universe? I’ll have to watch all the reruns now having never seen the show. I am just curious when you say the ritual/rites were derived from Catholicism are you talking about the Malleus Maleficarum because that was used by Catholics and Protestants to identify and persecute witches. Witch rites/rituals have nothing to do with Christianity that I have heard. Other than a lot of them were fun and many of the Judeo/Christians in general have a real problem with fun. Especially when it takes on a sexual form. Of course without knowing what type of witches/witchcraft you are talking about it is very hard to make any determination. But this is probably a discussion for another forum. Oh, wait. It is a discussion for another forum since this is supposed to be about Maura. Almost tricked me didn’t you Shack. Put a spell on me. You witch you. ;) Faith is something you simply believe in. Faith is easy. Knowing is something that actually takes work. Sometimes hard work. Bill – the essayist
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elsewherebriefly
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Bill, All I know is that Slippery Elm, is the main ingredient in just about every pharmacuetical prescription drug manufactured here in the US. It is also Federally protected e.g. hands off. I also know that large oil companies use dowsing to locate the largest oil cashes in the world. Enough about that.......... I meant to ask you. You were able to find a descrpency on the Police report which Weeper noted you were the only one who picked up on it. Weeper also mentioned that there were about (20) others. You've got an eye and a brain for that sort of stuff. I know this might be asking a lot but would you consider revisiting those reports?
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WTF wrote: <quoted text>
The problem is we do understand it, and recognize it for what it is worth. Nothing. But please, the next time you are sick, especially if you need surgery. Call your local witch, psychic or sorcerer. Is that what you mean? Witch as healer. Witch as “wise women”? Or is it witch as intermediary between this world and the next kind of like a shaman. The next time a family member has a psychotic break go get them an exorcism. Yep, I have as much use for priests as I do witches, psychics, sorcerers, etc. These people can apparently bend nature to their will. I’m sure you know the story, raise the dead etc. At least the good ones can right? I mentioned before I really don’t care what fantasy you prefer. I just don’t see what relevance it has to the scientific process that this is. Worse than that it is a useless distraction. Again, you have managedt to take the focus away from Muara and divert it to a discussion that has no use. I mean if it really had any use, wouldn’t it have been showcased on CSI? Did I miss the episode where they taught the mystics’ guide to the universe? I’ll have to watch all the reruns now having never seen the show.
I am just curious when you say the ritual/rites were derived from Catholicism are you talking about the Malleus Maleficarum because that was used by Catholics and Protestants to identify and persecute witches. Witch rites/rituals have nothing to do with Christianity that I have heard. Other than a lot of them were fun and many of the Judeo/Christians in general have a real problem with fun. Especially when it takes on a sexual form. Of course without knowing what type of witches/witchcraft you are talking about it is very hard to make any determination. But this is probably a discussion for another forum. Oh, wait. It is a discussion for another forum since this is supposed to be about Maura. Almost tricked me didn’t you Shack. Put a spell on me. You witch you. ;)
Faith is something you simply believe in. Faith is easy. Knowing is something that actually takes work. Sometimes hard work.
Bill – the essayist Bill/WTF, I sincerely respect your contributions here, but in this case I have to say this: Although there are a good many shameless charlatans out there, there are also a number of (relatively few) genuinely gifted psychichs around. Just because there are a great deal of fraudulent "psychics" to be found, that certainly does not mean that there can be no genuine ones. Believe me, I know from my own experience that there are! Very much so... And, yes I´m a very non-gullible, feet-firmly- planted-on-the-earth kind of guy. So, please don´t ridicule everybody who happens to be convinced that life in the broadest sense of the word is a good deal more than the material world which we may think is the only "reality". It´s just a matter of respecting other peoples´ views. I wouldn´t dream of making fun of you if you profess your belief in a completely non-spiritual world. This respect should be reciprocal and mutual, in my view.
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JMO
Danvers, MA
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WTF wrote: <quoted text>
The problem is we do understand it, and recognize it for what it is worth. Nothing. But please, the next time you are sick, especially if you need surgery. Call your local witch, psychic or sorcerer. Is that what you mean? Witch as healer. Witch as “wise women”? Or is it witch as intermediary between this world and the next kind of like a shaman. The next time a family member has a psychotic break go get them an exorcism. Yep, I have as much use for priests as I do witches, psychics, sorcerers, etc. These people can apparently bend nature to their will. I’m sure you know the story, raise the dead etc. At least the good ones can right? I mentioned before I really don’t care what fantasy you prefer. I just don’t see what relevance it has to the scientific process that this is. Worse than that it is a useless distraction. Again, you have managedt to take the focus away from Muara and divert it to a discussion that has no use. I mean if it really had any use, wouldn’t it have been showcased on CSI? Did I miss the episode where they taught the mystics’ guide to the universe? I’ll have to watch all the reruns now having never seen the show.
I am just curious when you say the ritual/rites were derived from Catholicism are you talking about the Malleus Maleficarum because that was used by Catholics and Protestants to identify and persecute witches. Witch rites/rituals have nothing to do with Christianity that I have heard. Other than a lot of them were fun and many of the Judeo/Christians in general have a real problem with fun. Especially when it takes on a sexual form. Of course without knowing what type of witches/witchcraft you are talking about it is very hard to make any determination. But this is probably a discussion for another forum. Oh, wait. It is a discussion for another forum since this is supposed to be about Maura. Almost tricked me didn’t you Shack. Put a spell on me. You witch you. ;)
Faith is something you simply believe in. Faith is easy. Knowing is something that actually takes work. Sometimes hard work.
Bill – the essayist Agree. Conversation is fascinating here. Disjointed, actually. I notice the comments skip around from topic to topic, often without relevance from one post to the next. Bizarre. Understandly, so...now that there have been some admissions to various fantasies.
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WTF
Bristol, CT
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elsewherebriefly wrote: Bill,All I know is that Slippery Elm, is the main ingredient in just about every pharmacuetical prescription drug manufactured here in the US. It is also Federally protected e.g. hands off. I also know that large oil companies use dowsing to locate the largest oil cashes in the world.
Enough about that.......... We also know that Indians (native Americans) used willow bark as an analgesic and fever reducer. It contains salicin, which is a chemical similar to acetylsalicylic acid (ASA) i.e aspirin. There is little doubt that humans are smart enough to spot trends when shoving things into sick/dying people. It has been used all over the world for thousands of years. That doesn’t rise to the level of knowing how it works or why it works of what dosage to give. There are many plants and animals that may have pharmacological effects on people. Until tested, or in the direst of circumstances you won’t find me chewing or licking on any of them. I will wait until there is enough scientific evidence that it works and enough testing to see if the benefits generally outweigh the deficits or side effects. I know dowsers' claim that they are used. I know that psychics claim they are used etc. I know that remote viewers were used in the 60’s, 70’s and 80’s when the government was flush with money and they thought that the Russians were doing the same testing. The results were considered mixed at best. I am aware of no such program today. If the program is still going on and they couldn’t foretell something as big as 9/11 or cannot find Bin Laden they should be out on their collective asses. But like you said, enough about that… elsewherebriefly wrote: I meant to ask you. You were able to find a descrpency on the Police report which Weeper noted you were the only one who picked up on it.
Weeper also mentioned that there were about (20) others. You've got an eye and a brain for that sort of stuff.
I know this might be asking a lot but would you consider revisiting those reports? I don’t know about a discrepancy. What I saw I considered so insignificant that I thought everyone saw it and didn’t bother mentioning it for a very long time. I still wouldn’t consider it a big deal. I can look again, that is no problem. Since there were no pictures I wouldn’t know if the tracks were driven in or slide in but the officer probably would have and he put it in his report as an accident where the vehicle slide off of the road. I really see no discrepancy in what was shown on the report. Whether the damage was caused at the accident site or not the scenario and what is shown appears to make sense. Doesn’t mean it is correct but it is certainly plausible. Weeper would have to tell you why he thinks it was a discrepancy. Bill
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WTF
Bristol, CT
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Eurobserver wrote: <quoted text>Believe me, I know from my own experience that there are! Very much so...
And, yes I´m a very non-gullible, feet-firmly- planted-on-the-earth kind of guy. Euro I really don’t have to believe you. I understand that you believe it but anecdotal evidence is rarely ever considered real evidence. All I know is that whenever these people are subjected to scientific scrutiny they never, ever do better than the average person who guesses. Again, you can believe in the Mojo man, little devils or angels watching over you, God, Budda, whoever and whatever magic you want. It bothers me not. I am glad you some kind of belief system that gives you comfort. And elsewhere I wouldn’t sweat the hell thing either. I’m betting on it not being there. I’d like to believe it because that would mean there is a heaven also. Whoops, hope I didn’t ruin the ending for anyone. It was a useful tool to keep people under the thumb of the church for 2000 years though. It still seems to work pretty well. And why would anyone with faith care what I say? You people know the word of God. Surely that trumps anything I would have to say. Bill
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