Where is MAURA MURRAY

Bill, Euro, and others... I was really glad to find your recent posts because things just aren't adding up. Euro, your list was exactly what was running through my mind after reading Weeper's posts. Bill, your post is provocative because it's hard to put THAT accident report into together with the possible "first" accident, as well as the visible details to CS of the "weathered barn" accident which he manufactured or gathered from witnesses. Whitewash --- man, I hope you say more about what you posted above.

Weeper's team's consensus supports a 7PM-ish first accident, a radio transmission that was "disappeared" from the logs, an abduction of Maura, a smoking long-haired man relocating the Saturn. I don't understand why none of this made its way into the accident report, unless the reference Bill found contained additional info about the previous accident... Was there a witness to the first accident and its aftermath? Was there a witness (a witness switching windows?) to a long-haired man walking down 112 from the final snowbank carrying Maura's scent from the seat?(Starting to sound like the Fugitive's One Armed Man.) Was this man related to any other dispatches that night?

Can anyone think of reasons that this wasn't random and opportunistic and instead related to anyone or anything in Amherst? It seems to me like this is a new (or the same old) pressure to take the focus off Amherst and Maura's life before Haverhill.

I'm not smart enough to tell, but is there any chance that when someone here (a local, for ex.) gets too close to where the investigation is going that there are serious efforts made to redirect us? This is like a logic puzzle in a math book where there are X number of people and each gives a statement and we are told that all but one lie and to figure out the true story. Well, I sure can't do that.

Agreed. (And the graciousness is much appreciated.)

From the Hanson Express
Meanwhile, across the street, neighbor Virginia Marrotte was standing in her kitchen with her husband, John, who was peeling an orange.
"From our kitchen window we saw a car down the road with trouble lights flashing and someone walking around the car," Virginia Marrotte wrotein response to a set of questions sent for this series.
John Marrotte told the same story to private investigator John Healy after the incident and added that he believed he saw Maura's car back up parallel to the road, indicated by the car's rear lights.
While the Marrottes were watching from their kitchen window they observed another neighbor arrive on the scene in a school bus.

There is a sign coming from Rt 302 East - Bethlehem to Littleton - just before the interstate. It says something similar to "to 91 South, 93 North, 302 West" - the point being that the sign has three directions on it and the first five or six times I saw it, I got completely turned around, and I've been driving this area for thirty years. VERY confusing sings!

I don't think that Weeper would say "SBD is lying" unless there was very good reason to do so. I've been willing to think that SBD was confused, mistaken, or dumbfounded by the media attention. It certainly puts the signs that used to be on his property, the move to Florida and the refusal to discuss the case in a different light.

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John Marrotte also told an off duty police
officer he heard The car hit the trees so I must
really wonder what is the truth when it comes to
Mr. Marrotte as I have not personally interviewed Mr. Marrotte so I will have to go with those I have personally interviewed and documentations I have seen for myself.
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My questions are these for this STAR Witness of the FIT.
Why didn't Mr. Marrotte/Mrs. go outside to help?

Why wouldn't Mr. Marrotte go outside to inspect
damage done to his property?

If they where watching out their window then surely they would have noticed Tim Westman out side with LE inspecting his property right?
I have personally looked out The Westmans kitchen window! Impossible for them to see other than what they have stated prior to it being TWEAKED to
THE FIT theory!

I personally believe if you measure 500 feet
from Bradley Hill you seriously question
where the Marrotte's kitchen is as I have.
I do believe the actual 3 trees hit which is
not where the ribbon is. Places the accident
in front of the Marricotts home which has a very
large glassed in porch very suitable for watching
instead of the tiny windows on the side of their home but just my WHITEWASH view!

My question to you all is this!
How many of you have had accidents?
How many you received a detailed report that night?
How many received a detailed report later?

My question to the Witness on Goose Lane would
be where is your time card from the night in question? Yes Cottage Hospital employees punch in and out and if you work a 7 PM shift how could
you be in Swiftwater at your stated time?

Who is lying this above Witness or the Police of Chief? Since Smith
blew by him in Dark Hollow aka Rangers Station on RT 10. Call me stupid but I think he NOTED the time what do you all think?
I personally think he isn't that stupid to know
I could and would time that to Smith's arrival.

Quija wrote:

Bill, Euro, and others... I was really glad to find your recent posts because things just aren't adding up. Euro, your list was exactly what was running through my mind after reading Weeper's posts. Bill, your post is provocative because it's hard to put THAT accident report into together with the possible "first" accident, as well as the visible details to CS of the "weathered barn" accident which he manufactured or gathered from witnesses. Whitewash --- man, I hope you say more about what you posted above.
Weeper's team's consensus supports a 7PM-ish first accident, a radio transmission that was "disappeared" from the logs, an abduction of Maura, a smoking long-haired man relocating the Saturn. I don't understand why none of this made its way into the accident report, unless the reference Bill found contained additional info about the previous accident... Was there a witness to the first accident and its aftermath? Was there a witness (a witness switching windows?) to a long-haired man walking down 112 from the final snowbank carrying Maura's scent from the seat?(Starting to sound like the Fugitive's One Armed Man.) Was this man related to any other dispatches that night?
Can anyone think of reasons that this wasn't random and opportunistic and instead related to anyone or anything in Amherst? It seems to me like this is a new (or the same old) pressure to take the focus off Amherst and Maura's life before Haverhill.
I'm not smart enough to tell, but is there any chance that when someone here (a local, for ex.) gets too close to where the investigation is going that there are serious efforts made to redirect us? This is like a logic puzzle in a math book where there are X number of people and each gives a statement and we are told that all but one lie and to figure out the true story. Well, I sure can't do that.

OK - Firecat there is the answer ->

http://www.okroads.com/070905/i91vtexit10s_04...

It _doesn't_ say Burlington on that sign as _I_ had suspected earlier that Firecat correctly stated.

If my apology to Firecat was unclear before -> I am sorry.

So my opinion is that its not odd for Maura to seek directions to Burlington even if she had been driven up Interstate 91 once or twice over a number of years... in and of itself, but I feel her leaving when she did odd.

On another issue -

Wikipedia says Maura was seen alone in the car by Atwood.

Hansen Express (I believe ... have to check again) quotes Atwood where he says something to the same effect - and does not paint a picture of doubt that it was her.

Prior to and including today (and unique to this forum) is the idea / information that Mr. Atwood describes the person Mr. Atwood talked to may or may not been Maura.

I've yet to think about the statements made here today, and I have no time now for my other thoughts - but I will later on today.

I also would like GiveMeABreak to post her comments. Follow the advise to use Notepad or some text editor - save it then post it so you don't loose it. It seems important.

Speaking of John Healy for those who printed the
entire DISPATCH LOG read it all to see who
just happen to be on patrol that night!
1Anne I am 100% that John Healy could and should
clear up all calls he heard that night while on
duty!

White Wash wrote:

From the Hanson Express
Meanwhile, across the street, neighbor Virginia Marrotte was standing in her kitchen with her husband, John, who was peeling an orange.
"From our kitchen window we saw a car down the road with trouble lights flashing and someone walking around the car," Virginia Marrotte wrotein response to a set of questions sent for this series.
John Marrotte told the same story to private investigator John Healy after the incident and added that he believed he saw Maura's car back up parallel to the road, indicated by the car's rear lights.
While the Marrottes were watching from their kitchen window they observed another neighbor arrive on the scene in a school bus.

Some questions:
1) was it Maura in the Saturn in Woodsville? Did she ever leave UMass?

2) why is SBD lying, if he is?

3) why did CW's story emerge as late as it did, and as "accidentally"?

4) is CW's story true, or is it a div ersion from what should be the center of inquiry - 112 and Bradley Hill Road?

5) if, as I believe, the Saturn's damage did not happen where and how it was described in the official police report (a public, legal document, I haven't forgotten)- how and where did it happen? we've heard estimates of 1-3 miles away. Silky reported damage to the guardrails - since replaced - west of Swiftwater (it was west, right?).

5) did the red truck that RO saw have MA plates or VT temp plates?

6) is Maura's disappearance related to the many other crimes and suspicious deaths and disappearances in the immediate area?

7) is any of the apparaent local outrage that we see here (probably far more limited than we might think) anything more than local feelings being offended?

8) did Silky believe that Maura's case was connected in any specific way to the CT Valley killings?

9) why are apparent connections or real similarities between Maura's case and some of the Valley cases apparently not investigated or even discussed? nursing students???

10)(talking to myself here, more than anyone else, I guess) why do we let ourselves be taken off the track of asking questions and pursuing answers to defend our presence to those who'd like nothing more than for us to shut up and go away?

11) relating to that, why the extreme reaction to a family trying to find a daughter missing for four years - unless it IS because we are still looking? how many of these cases just disappear, like their victims, because people give up asking and seeking?

12) and an observation, though a rather obvious one - there are still criminals out there who have abducted, raped and murdered before because there are those who don't want them caught. These criminals are not "behind every tree" - although it is entirely possible that they could be behind a tree or a door in your neighborhood. I'd rather not have them anywhere near me or anyone I care about.

1) was it Maura in the Saturn in Woodsville? Did she ever leave UMass?
Lab test would comfirm that of bottle found rather it was or wasn't.
2) why is SBD lying, if he is?
Who says he is besides Weeper?
3) why did CW's story emerge as late as it did, and as "accidentally"?
Accidentally to whom those who didn't care to
get the details?
4) is CW's story true, or is it a div ersion from what should be the center of inquiry - 112 and Bradley Hill Road?
His house is still for sale! Guess noboby doesn't believe him enough to put their money where their MOUTHS ARE!
5) if, as I believe, the Saturn's damage did not happen where and how it was described in the official police report (a public, legal document, I haven't forgotten)- how and where did it happen? we've heard estimates of 1-3 miles away. Silky reported damage to the guardrails - since replaced - west of Swiftwater (it was west, right?).
What is described and what is BEING SHOWN are years apart and really don't matter!
HPD did take photographs that night so if you
have not seen the photographs taken that night
how can you say the accident report doesn't match?
5) did the red truck that RO saw have MA plates or VT temp plates?
The Witness stated MA plates but could have been a temp plate.
6) is Maura's disappearance related to the many other crimes and suspicious deaths and disappearances in the immediate area?
There is not PROOF that would stand in a court of
law that can be linked!
7) is any of the apparaent local outrage that we see here (probably far more limited than we might think) anything more than local feelings being offended?
Come see it first hand!
8) did Silky believe that Maura's case was connected in any specific way to the CT Valley killings?
Silky believed the all where connected but no proof.
9) why are apparent connections or real similarities between Maura's case and some of the Valley cases apparently not investigated or even discussed? nursing students???
Look at years in between!
10)(talking to myself here, more than anyone else, I guess) why do we let ourselves be taken off the track of asking questions and pursuing answers to defend our presence to those who'd like nothing more than for us to shut up and go away?
11) relating to that, why the extreme reaction to a family trying to find a daughter missing for four years - unless it IS because we are still looking? how many of these cases just disappear, like their victims, because people give up asking and seeking?
12) and an observation, though a rather obvious one - there are still criminals out there who have abducted, raped and murdered before because there are those who don't want them caught. These criminals are not "behind every tree" - although it is entirely possible that they could be behind a tree or a door in your neighborhood. I'd rather not have them anywhere near me or anyone I care about.

Keep going, Quija. You're on the right track.

Ok, WhiteWash
Re: John Healy

This message regarding his neighbor really shook me up. On the MMM forum there was a poster, 2 actually that came to the site about the same time. One was a female and I do remember that name an another that was a man and I forgot his nic but it had alot of #'s. He stated he knew Mr. Healy and we asked him to ask him some questions. He pm'd me regarding my siting asking for a description of the man I saw. He said there was a painter that fit the description working next door to him. I had the feeling he wanted me to go there to see him the painter. Ya right! He also talked me out of putting up Maura's missing posters in my town because maybe whomever had her would then hurt her. So I did not. I believe these 2 posters were working the forum together. For whatever reason to prevent this. LADY GRAY, I saved all those pm's. Could you or Helena check them out??? I just felt that this man knew something and may be involved or know something. I am now wondering if it is Mr. Healy's neighbor and he knows something and is the man you may be referring to in you post. It was very creepy.

I will write another description of the man I saw with Maura this evening after 9:00pm. Need to start dinner. Would this mans last name also be the same as a family in Franconia that is very well known and ran for office?

OOPS again
It is weepers neighbor and I dont know were Weeper lives. But the man I'm referring to lives in the same town as Mr. Healy.

Saturnus wrote:

Keep going, Quija. You're on the right track.

Hi Saturnus and thanks. I missed you from way back in the spring. Like others here I'm going to "sleep on it" to try to put together everything that's been said lately. Can't get my head around it all yet, but we've got a lot of good heads here. Need your thoughts whenever you're ready,
Quija

Emily wrote:

Maybe Mr. Valassis knows where it came from.

May I ask who this person is?

gvmeabrk,

If the people who held or are holding Maura wanted to hurt Maura your actions aren't going to start or stop that unless they are caught. I haven't seen the PM's you are talking about but you might be overreacting. I haven't seen the PM's so I don't know. You have to go with your gut but I think they are full of crap and if I didn't think that I would make a report to the police. Put the posters up and don't tell anyone in advance. While you are putting the posters up have a friend in another vehicle shadow you so as to not be obvious, with a cell phone to call police if they see anything suspicious. Don't let them intimidate you into doing nothing.

I know it sounds like big talk from the anonymity of the net but if I was worried that’s how I would handle it. They wouldn't stop me but I might take precautions.

Bill

WTF

I do not fear the poster. I just did not want anything to happen to Maura because I put them up. I have enough guilty feelings as it is.

I will have them printed up and placed in town. Even though so much time has passed maybe someone else will remember her. Ya never can tell. Nothing to lose by doing so.

Thank You

Emily wrote:

Which means the PI's did not see either the car itself or pictures of it for two years after it was towed from the crash scene. A blind person could see the car had overhang damage. The overhang damage must have been obvious to the cops immediately, at the scene. Thus the ambiguous report.
The ugly things said or implied about the bus driver are nonsense. This case is being "investigated" in Massachusetts.

Wait, since when does it mean that? Wasn't that document prepared by the NHLE who were on scene that night?

hi all just some thoughts .why would nhpd photograph a car that was suspected of being abandoned by a drunk driver .is that normal or did sgt Smith see something which is why he requested a search warrant and kept FD and EMS away fromm the saturn.was the car photographed at Lavoies after it was towed there and something was maybe found.Weeper, thank you for posting that sgt Smith spoke with mrAtwood through the bus door and not the bus window.do we know that mrAtwood could have been at the saturn before 7.12 pm.if the cottage hospital witness story is for real he would have to have been ,unless sgtSmithh was there twice.how long is it from his student drop at the school after the ski trip to the saturn.i still dont know where mrAtwood droppped off his students after the ski trip.nice to be back on track even though Amherst is still half of the mystery without a doubt.still not clear if mrAtwwod spoke at the scene with sgtSmith before he went to search for the saturn driver.take care philip

Presumably the large, sharply defined dent in the front left hood was there before the car was towed from the crash scene. But maybe not. Whatever caused the large dent did not cause much if any damage to the bumper, which projects at least several inches in front of the hood.

Assuming the large dent was the result of either the known crash scene or an earlier event of some kind, then the PI's did not see the car or relevant photos of it for about two years after the crash, going by what was previously posted today. Pretty hard to miss seeing that dented hood and not notice the lack of damage to the bumper right below the dent.

But if the large dent to the hood happened after the crash scene, then that's obviously a whole different story.

Anyone get a sort of unexpected golden parachute?