Where is MAURA MURRAY

I haven't been able to stop wondering why the SBD would lie. Can't remember what kind of private vehicle he drove that is, the one he drove around and then down French Pond Road looking for Maura while CS did the same thing. Point is: thinking who would he lie for, could his girlfriend have been driving in their private vehicle and had a run-in on the road with Maura earlier? That's one of the few reasons for him to lie that I could think of. Before I go on with this, I'll wait for your reactions and reasoning.

Second point --- I reread the story of the Maura sighting in the convenience store. It was said there was a long line. Customers may not have been in great moods. A little grandson asks the lady in front of Maura (or extremely close look-alike) for candy (maybe more than once, maybe not in an "indoor voice")... Is it possible that the Maura-girl was irritable, worn out, and mouthed to herself (like I sometimes do) "God help me!" when I just can't any more activity around me? Again, I'm not doubting the sighting but have been trying to figure out why someone would mouth those words and then just stand there staring ahead without eye contact.

citigirl wrote:

quote White Wash the locals are tired of being beaten to death by nasty remarks! quote If I wrote a letter to the locals would it be possible that you print it in your paper?

If it's an apology to the locals for all the terrible things that have been said about them I'll put it in the paper myself.
If you need to be reminded what was said and by who let me know as I just might know someone that has saved most of the names and insults in a folder on their computer.
Better yet why not put all the insults that were said in your letter and then add an apology at the end.I'm sure it would make us locals feel so much better.

Wowzer,

I have not noted the family of Maura making any negative remarks. Do you feel they should bear the responsibility of other posters whom they have no control over? If so why? If my neighbor insults me and another neighbor offers an apology, that would not make sense to me.
I have many friends in the area who do not feel the same as you, not to negate your feelings, but do not paint a picture of the entire region from your own particular sensitivity.
Citigirl, I don't feel it appropriate to take responsibility where it was not your words. To do so would be more damning in my opinion because it would appear that you have some control over what is said on the forum, and you do not.
The attempt from some individuals to paint such a broad picture and group people to how they feel most comfortable is naive at best.
If someone paints a negative picture of people in my area, I do not take offense because, well, I have more important things in life to concern me, and would simply consider that person rather foolish for trying to group people according to their opinions and narrow-mindedness. The key is feeling comfortable in your own skin.
To state you have compiled insults on your computer really says a lot about what you choose to focus on. Do you find that is helpful to you?
Focusing on negative statements made in a broad statement and internalizing them to associate them with yourself and your friends isn't very healthy.
I was told by a wise woman once that when we find such fault in others, it's time for us to look in the mirror and see how we too are guilty of the same.
I too have typos and get upset at those who really really annoy the living crud out of me. I don't lump her into "Them" It's just a "She". One person who gets under my skin w/ their careless words, so today, I'll keep an eye on minding my own.

Wowzer wrote:

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If it's an apology to the locals for all the terrible things that have been said about them I'll put it in the paper myself.
If you need to be reminded what was said and by who let me know as I just might know someone that has saved most of the names and insults in a folder on their computer.
Better yet why not put all the insults that were said in your letter and then add an apology at the end.I'm sure it would make us locals feel so much better.

Wowzer it is not an apology from me to the locals. I have never said anything against the locals to warrant an apology.The ones who did the insulting are the ones who should be apologizing.It is unfair to hold me responsible for people who have insulted the people in your community. I have no control over what others say and I should not be held responible for there opinions. Maybe the focous of opinions is on the wrong people. I have been in your community since March of 04 and met so many wonderful and caring people up there and today still remain friends with. So please focous more on my opinion one who has actually gone out there and has had the opportunity to meet many in your community.

In reviewing some of the posts, I have seen psychics, etc.... mentioned. I also researched one of the psychics that may have been involved in this case. However, from where I sit, it appears as though, if there has been more than one psychic involved, their intuition has been on opposite sides of the spectrum. Am I correct in stating this? If so, does anyone here hold any weight in what they are saying??

quija wrote:

I haven't been able to stop wondering why the SBD would lie. Can't remember what kind of private vehicle he drove that is, the one he drove around and then down French Pond Road looking for Maura while CS did the same thing. Point is: thinking who would he lie for, could his girlfriend have been driving in their private vehicle and had a run-in on the road with Maura earlier? That's one of the few reasons for him to lie that I could think of. Before I go on with this, I'll wait for your reactions and reasoning.
Second point --- I reread the story of the Maura sighting in the convenience store. It was said there was a long line. Customers may not have been in great moods. A little grandson asks the lady in front of Maura (or extremely close look-alike) for candy (maybe more than once, maybe not in an "indoor voice")... Is it possible that the Maura-girl was irritable, worn out, and mouthed to herself (like I sometimes do) "God help me!" when I just can't any more activity around me? Again, I'm not doubting the sighting but have been trying to figure out why someone would mouth those words and then just stand there staring ahead without eye contact.

Hello quija,

It´s a relief to see that there are some posters (such as you) who actually contribute new thoughts and ideas as for Maura´s case.
We moved along very well for a few days and came up with a good deal of new angles and theories, but now the board seems to have reverted to a state of mainly accusations & counter-accusations.
A great pity, in my mind...

Your theory as for Maura (?) in the convenience store queue actually makes a lot of sense to me.

It would explain why the young lady didn´t in any way try to communicate with gvmeabrk or other people, why she didn´t in any way try to flee her captor, etc, etc.

If this was really so, then this was a sighting of:

1. The "real" Maura, but apparently not in any kind of obvious, apparent distress, since she made no attempt at actively seeking help.
2. Not the "real" Maura, but a very close "look-alike".

I´m well aware that this sighting as well as that in Barton, VT, have both officially been dismissed as not being Maura.

So what alternatives are there really?
Could it after all have been the "real" Maura who was seen in the Barton, VT; church in the summer of 2005?
If yes, could it also have been the "real" Maura seen by gvmwabrk in the convenience store in NH in the summer of 2006?

Ideas?

Apparently, the Maura look-alike in the Barton church seemed to be on her own, unlike the NH sighting.

Hi Euro --- Thanks for your feedback. In terms of the convenience store, Maura or virtual twin may have been there of her own accord.(Not saying, if it was Maura that she hadn't had some kind of brain trauma that kept her from being herself and calling home.) Could the man/painter standing close and a bit behind her just have been an impatient customer NEXT in line behind her, maybe invading her space? If this girl was grumpy for various reasons, I'm glad you can understand why any additional talk, a child, or activity around her could cause her to mutter under her breath, "God help me!"???? And --- if she was irritated --- then she certainly wouldn't make eye contact with the other customer(s), she wouldn't smile, and she'd probably ignore everyone and try to pretend she was standing there alone --- or not even there! Just putting in her time in line... THIS STILL DOESN'T ANSWER WHETHER IT WAS MAURA, but it might allow us to give credence to gvemeabrk's sighting as well as make sense of her mouthing those words.

I would definitely entertain the idea of the woman saying, "help me", in response to loud children. I myself have behaved the same way, when people cant control their kids, only I think I say something like, "just shoot me". So, I could definitely understand the "Maura person" doing that!

Now, let me throw something out there about Barton. Again, being new here, excuse my ignorance if it has been addressed. Does anyone think there is any relation to the fact that it happened on Father's Day? Also, was she dressed for church, or for running? Is there a chance that it was one of the other young girls that are missing? AND most importantly where did the name Raykel come from? Any theories on that?

Something I saw earlier, was a question about why she would have been out in public at the convenience store, if she was being held captive? Why wouldnt she do something?

I was looking at an old magazine about Elizabeth Smart. She went to a party. There was a photo of her taken. She was in so much fear that she never said a word. Same with the boys that were held captive for years! They even had computer access and said nothing, due to fear! I cannot begin to comprehend that type of fear!

Just some Sunday thoughts..........

Grammar check, I was wondering if you were interested in all "NH missing" cases, or just this one.

QUIJA in response to #5639,

Wow, that thought has never occured to me. Could I have missed the word God? That could be. But, the girl was picture pefect Maura. And again, the problem that she did not speak out. I did stare Maura in the eyes for a long time. She,was also looking into mine with what I call a neutral look. I stared at both of them. The man, a very short time directly in his eyes. I believe I looked at them and checked them out, directly standing, facing them for at least 3 min. That is a LONG time. Would you just stand there under the conditions I just described and say nothing? Why did they say nothing about my staring and checking them out? I KNOW I would have said "What the heck are you looking at us for?" I just don't know anymore considering they say I did not see Maura.

My husband went into the hospital for colon cancer operation Friday, Saturday I was ill so I have been not well and busy. I do want to talk to the clerk one last time for some answers and go from there.

Probably will not be on until later this pm.

Why would SBD lie about seeing and talking to a girl in the Saturn? Anyone else think that right now this is one of the big questions?

Did SBD make up the little conversation he and "Maura" had? Is that why his story varied from telling to telling on small points, like hazard lights, where each was standing, the airbag having deployed and SBD not being able to see the lower face of the girl, etc.?

How would SBD know to SAY it was a girl unless he had seen her earlier? Or had been radioed about her.

Or, did he ID her as a girl because it was a MALE who SBD was going to protect for some reason?

What reason? SBD had no kids, no sons, right? Girlfriend and SBD moved there from Mass. so... were there any other young relatives living locally in the Haverhill area? Would he lie to protect a neighbor's son? What male would SBD want to protect, cover for? Risk his job for? It had to be something/someone important to him.

And what, in general, was important to him? I don't know, except everyone said he wanted to feel he was powerful and helpful and have stuff to boast about, maybe saying he was LE.

Would he lie for a police officer? Maybe --- What if an OFFICER relocated the Saturn to protect another large-scale investigation going on that night?(A number of other LE vehicles on the road that night.)

All these years people have said that mostly LE, town employees, rangers, and criminals would know about jurisdictions.

If a criminal moved the car and SBD was afraid of him, I guess he'd lie for him. But SBD was enjoying being in the limelight for a while. I don't think he would've been if he was scared for his life! So, maybe it had to be lying for LE.

Maybe moving the Saturn somehow worked for LE in the other investigation that night.

Maybe that's how CS knew what was missing in the Saturn?

Maybe... well, I've just started thinking about this, so maybe others will have more ideas. Or let me know this is the wrong direction....

The above comment #5648
QUIJA, My only question right now is why do we assume it to be a young guy with short hair? Could just have easily been an older person with long hair. Thoughts?

OOPS young guy with long hair is what I meant to say.

gvmeabrk wrote:

The above comment #5648
QUIJA, My only question right now is why do we assume it to be a young guy with [long] hair? Could just have easily been an older person with long hair. Thoughts?

Darn good point. I don't know! I guess I was still taking parts of SBD's statements to be true in terms of the AGE of the the person in the Saturn.(And also having in mind the "youth running", etc.) But it could've been ANYbody! Older man, SBD's girlfriend...

Half Moon,
Regarding psychics, There were two that mention a town which was 2 towns away from me and another that mentioned a town that is 1 town away from me.

Half Moon,

I should have added that those towns were checked out according to the MMM forum and they found nothing to help in the investigation. I believe this is correct but cannot check forum.

WHITE WASH wrote:

What are you credentials for asking such information?
I did't see where Citigirl,Shack,yourself
posted credentials for stating
their hear say.
I am local photographer I was asked
to do a story on the last search you
know the ones the community found out
in the media instead the phones call
that Helena believed they where receiving from the PI's. <quoted text>

Parlez-vous français ?

"White Wash" est un idiome Dans l'anglais américain, il signifie souvent la peau la vérité.
L'idiome est dérivé de la pratique commune de la ligne de propriétéà la maison de peinture clôture le blanc - personne n'enlève la couche inférieure de peinture endommagée - la peinture blanche dissimule la barrière endommagée dessous.

Je ne crois pas que c'est votre intention.

Peut-être dans le français "lavage blanc" les idiome moyens nettoient un désordre?

Do you speak French?

"White Wash" is an idiom. In American English, it often means hide the truth. The idiom is derived from the common practice of painting home property line fences white - no one to removes the lower layer of damaged paint - the white paint covers up the damaged fence underneath.

I do not believe this is your intent.

Maybe in French "White Wash" idiom means clean up a mess?

Gymeabrk,
First of all, I'm really sorry about what your husband and you are now going through. My thoughts are with you during this difficult time.

I did a lot of thinking about Maura during serious illnesses in my family because I had the illusion that I, other posters, or the forum together might have some control over finding Maura, more than the medical ordeals we were experiencing... I sincerely wish you the best.

As to your looking at the convenience store customers for quite some time, I don't know WHAT to make of their response, or lack of response to you observing them. No matter how bad a mood I'm in I always wind up joking and laughing with those around me because I don't want to feel tense or add any MORE bad feelings to my memory.

Those two seemed almost like cult members the way you describe them! Or maybe they thought you were "staring them down" (?) because they showed annoyance with there being a child around? Maybe they were embarrassed thinking you heard or saw the impatient mouthing of Help me! I don't know, but this might be like "elevator behavior" where in close quarters people just pretend not to see or hear anyone else. Any of this click with you? Quij

Half Moon wrote:

I would definitely entertain the idea of the woman saying, "help me", in response to loud children. I myself have behaved the same way, when people cant control their kids, only I think I say something like, "just shoot me". So, I could definitely understand the "Maura person" doing that!
Now, let me throw something out there about Barton. Again, being new here, excuse my ignorance if it has been addressed. Does anyone think there is any relation to the fact that it happened on Father's Day? Also, was she dressed for church, or for running? Is there a chance that it was one of the other young girls that are missing? AND most importantly where did the name Raykel come from? Any theories on that?

Hi Half Moon,
JMHO but I think since Maura was so close to her dad -- they were running and hiking buddies -- that, yes, going to church on Father's Day could be of significance.

I have found in many situations besides this forum that there are people who, no matter how politely a question for clarification is asked, will interpret it as a personal attack.

I still do not see "locals" or individuals being attacked. I see questions being asked, and the element which includes Indelicato being spoken about as the scum they are - drug dealers, murderers, career criminals. Unless you are insisting, WW, that no such elements exist in Grafton County, no one is being "attacked" unjustly. If you claim that no such elements exist in Grafton County - or ANYWHERE, your back yard, my back yard, anyone's back yard - you are delusional.

WW, if you are a reporter, you have a civic obligation to inform the public of news which affects them and their community. That obligation is part of your job. I have not "reported hearsay," nor have I claimed credentials which make information to me which is unavailable to the public.

Quija, thank you for your thoughts about SBD and GF. I think that is possible. Any reasons that I can think of for anyone to lie are to conceal something incriminating or embarassing.

I have thought about Elizabeth Smart's case, too. Kidnapping, terrorizing and brainwashing are possible - it has happened too much elsewhere to discredit the possibility here.

Part 1

quija wrote: "I haven't been able to stop wondering why the SBD would lie."
I'll just say it - I agree with you - in that from what I know of the witnesses, Mr. Atwood's physical size, the sequence of events - he didn't do it.)It looks like "Emily" agrees - but wasn't able to articulate why.)

OK - Now Weeper said to the effect that he thinks Mr. Atwood is not being forthright (not necessarily that he was the direct cause of Maura's disappearance)- so now we are trying to figure out possible reasons for the lie, if there was one. Mr. Atwood's involvement is hanging by a thread - the thread of your question - in which a reasonable answer is, I agree, hard to find.

"...thinking who would he lie for, could his girlfriend have been driving in their private vehicle and had a run-in on the road with Maura earlier?"

If Maura[1] were the driver, she left Massachusetts at 4:30 - generously, there is a 1/2 hour to hour for the unknown string of events to take place that caused Maura to disappear.
Lets say that something bad happened down the road.(I don't think so for the scenario I come up with - and I explain below)- but there are
OTHER POSSIBILITIES I have yet to think of.

Mr. Atwood and girlfriend - down the road, are driving together in the bus. They collide down the road with Maura's car, killing her. She could have been thrown from the car by force of the accident.
Does the girlfriend smoke, have long hair?