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Lady Gray

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Oct 13, 2008
 
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[deleted text]Question of First Forum people...wasn't it written that LE....State/Local? had read and copied xx pages of that Forum...?[text deleted]
Yes.
sophie bean

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Ben, buddy. Trust me on this. There are people who actually take time out of their life to get trained so they know something. Then they practice their skills repeatedly to become competent. Then they respond to the real calls for help and they do this every day, day after day in states all over the country. Volunteers in particular who everyday, get up at 4:30AM to help someone who they don’t know. They do it every, single, day. Any hour, day or night, regardless of weather, how much sleep they’ve had, how much yard work they need to do, etc. Not sometimes or almost or probably but always. And they do this for no money, no praise, and very little recognition. They do it to help and they do actually make a difference. The kind of help that you are talking about usually generates two victims. Someone’s ability to throw their life away to “help” someone really has no meaning. And if they are not trained and don’t have the requisite skills, then how exactly are they helping? Help, rarely means your “rescuer” dying with you. I don’t know SB so maybe she is LE or Firefighter or EMS or trained SAR or maybe knows CPR or first aid. If not those than exactly what would be her purpose racing up there at 4:30AM? To pick Maura up at the accident scene? Maura was long gone, just like she was for all the other professional rescuers when they got there when good Samaritans called. My point being that just “making the trip” really isn’t enough. And there were plenty of trained personnel who made the trip that could have actually done something if there was something to do. Didn’t BF actually organize the first fire brigade and volunteerism? Also started the concept of public libraries as I remember. Smart guy.
To those of you I respect, BF, JMO, lady gray, elsewhere, 1Anne, Wowzer, Weeper and anyone whose name I forgot keep up the good fight. You’ll have your hands full with some of these people. I’ll probably pop in once and a while but way too much work for too little return.
Well back to pretending I know something in other places.
Bill
Jesus. And I don't say that lightly.
I did not respond to BF's statement by saying "yes, yes, thank you, I AM wonderful!!!"
I did not respond at al, in fact.

Perhaps that's your problem now, Bill.
What an astonishing attack via someone else toward me for a reason that I never instigated. I remain amazed, though I realize that I shouldn't, that merely for askikng questions, I have aroused this level of hatred from you, Bill. It is frankly bizarre and damn near threatening. What is your issue, exactly?

As a matter of fact, I am an EMT and wilderness first responder, and HAVE gotten up at 4 AM more than once to help others.
Do you have some sort of problem with that, Bill?
Or perhaps you thought that I was undeservedly claiming some sort of credit via BF, perhaps telepathically?
WTF indeed.
I NEVER have claimed in any way to have speshul rights to respekts becuz I am oso nobel.

Please remind me, WTF, how your second-hand attack towards me does anything to help solve Maura's case.
kthxin advancebye
Zander

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Oct 13, 2008
 
Benjamin Franklin wrote:
"When you should be proving it on why the state has'nt come forth with all they know."
Sometimes in investigations - the police will withhold a piece of information that only the criminal could know - so they can get a conviction.
Tell us what you think.
So in other words the "criminal" is the only person besides LE that knows anything about this whole case. You in fact made Adam Harts article sound right on. Give me a break!

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Don't worry. Not your fault. Was dark out. Accident, right? Just an accident. I get someone to help. Nobody will know. Where you park the car? Okay. You tell anybody else?
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Shack wrote:
...we usually just ignore the SOBs (the Scroll on Bys) They think they are entertaining, amusing
and "pretending" to be pseudo intellects. Yes, I know exactly what I just wrote. Poor creatures do not have any place to go.
You talking about yourself there Shack?
sophie bean

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Gosh, Bill, cat got your tongue? You were pretty verbose an hour ago - now you've vanished.
I'm still anxious to see your "explanation" of how a cray, misplaced, error-filled, ill-informed, vitriolic attack on me through a third person "contributes" to the discussion of Maura's case.

Still, on some level, I am not surprised. After my recent post where I said I would be choosing my words extremely carefully, there's no plausible substantive ground through which to say "SB hates all locals" or "SB is mean, incendiary, and nuts." SO...you are reduced to this kind of attack.
Sadly, it does not surprise me, but it is informative.

You haven't answered directly, Bill/WTF, but your current silence and your recent attack say all that you need to say.
JMO

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Bill~

Sorry for your sign-off, which is totally understandable. There are disparate beliefs, views, and approaches to examining this topic that, realistically, may not be reconciled here.

We'll call your parting just temporary - you've come back before.
Terrific essays!...informational, original and authentic... obvious intelligence...but may be wasted here.

There seems to be an undertow...hell, nearly a riptide that's pulling a few of us way out to sea.

Hey, Wowzer...you there? She gets it, too.

Folks, please don't co-mingle issues. Though conveniently situated side-by-side in Topix....the Maura Murray and Kenney/McKay/Floyd stories are not married in content as much as they might seem to be when more than casually considered.

Projecting blame onto LE is a simple solution, though not fair or wise. Antagonizing LE can never be productive and can only be a disservice to Fred Murray and his family.

Insisting on pervasive criminal intent by unknown elements of society, local and state-wide, is not my perspective on the matter. Fact is, no one knows what happened to Maura Murray. There is no one to blame. Yet.

Fortunately, I have more of a need to listen than to speak. I may continue to interject...but only occasionally, to the great relief of a few. ;-)

JMO

Ben Franklin

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So in other words the "criminal" is the only person besides LE that knows anything about this whole case. You in fact made Adam Harts article sound right on. Give me a break!
Zander - More important then anything I will ever say - is your participation here.

I am 100% apologetic if I portrayed any negativity.

In my mind - you and everyone else - are welcome here.:)
WTF

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Gosh, Bill, cat got your tongue? You were pretty verbose an hour ago - now you've vanished.
I'm still anxious to see your "explanation" of how a cray, misplaced, error-filled, ill-informed, vitriolic attack on me through a third person "contributes" to the discussion of Maura's case.
Still, on some level, I am not surprised. After my recent post where I said I would be choosing my words extremely carefully, there's no plausible substantive ground through which to say "SB hates all locals" or "SB is mean, incendiary, and nuts." SO...you are reduced to this kind of attack.
Sadly, it does not surprise me, but it is informative.
You haven't answered directly, Bill/WTF, but your current silence and your recent attack say all that you need to say.
I’m sorry, been busy like I was saying. I really won’t be responding often at all for a while. I was talking in generalities about anyone not trained. I did not use your name purposely for that reason. I thought that I said I don’t know if you are trained or not. If you are trained than applause for you. You are more than one up on another person here and I congratulate you on that. You ARE actually doing something. And I do stand by everything I wrote. If you are not trained stay away from scenes like that. It has too high a risk to create more casualties, not heroes. I won’t waste any more time saying this but it was not an attack on you. I have no problem mentioning your name if you are who I want to write about.

I don’t remember saying I thought you hated all locals though you have written certain posts that makes me wonder. Oh yeah, you do sometimes seem to get writers mixed up though.

I don’t know where you got your WFR training from though. How is it you are a Wilderness first responder and an EMT? Where is your certification from?

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JMO wrote:
Bill~
Sorry for your sign-off, which is totally understandable. There are disparate beliefs, views, and approaches to examining this topic that, realistically, may not be reconciled here.
We'll call your parting just temporary - you've come back before.
Terrific essays!...informational, original and authentic... obvious intelligence...but may be wasted here.
There seems to be an undertow...hell, nearly a riptide that's pulling a few of us way out to sea.
Hey, Wowzer...you there? She gets it, too.
Folks, please don't co-mingle issues. Though conveniently situated side-by-side in Topix....the Maura Murray and Kenney/McKay/Floyd stories are not married in content as much as they might seem to be when more than casually considered.
Projecting blame onto LE is a simple solution, though not fair or wise. Antagonizing LE can never be productive and can only be a disservice to Fred Murray and his family.
Insisting on pervasive criminal intent by unknown elements of society, local and state-wide, is not my perspective on the matter. Fact is, no one knows what happened to Maura Murray. There is no one to blame. Yet.
Fortunately, I have more of a need to listen than to speak. I may continue to interject...but only occasionally, to the great relief of a few. ;-)
JMO
Thanks JMO. Appreciate that. Keep fighting the good fight. I enjoy reading yours and several others contributions that are well constructed and well thought out. Even the ones I may not agree with.

Bill
Ben Franklin

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To Sophie and Bill -

Hope for some harmony is still in Pandora's box.

I have made _many_ mistakes in this regard.

I keep thinking back to what JMO, Quija said - not a good idea to personalize - criticise the post - not the poster.

Yet I still fail.
elsewherebriefly

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O.K, this was one of those things I read and re-read to make sure I wasn't mistaken.

"In the year 2000 New Hampshire had an estimated population of 1,235,786 which ranked the state as having the 41st in population. For that year the State of New Hampshire had a total Crime Index of 2,433.1 reported incidents per 100,000 people. This ranked the state as having the 48th highest total Crime Index. For Violent Crime New Hampshire had a reported incident rate of 175.4 per 100,000 people. This ranked the state as having the 46th highest occurrence for Violent Crime among the states. For crimes against Property, the state had a reported incident rate of 2,257.8 per 100,000 people, which ranked as the state 48th highest. Also in the year 2000 New Hampshire had 1.8 Murders per 100,000 people, ranking the state as having the 44th highest rate for Murder. New Hampshire’s 42.2 reported Forced Rapes per 100,000 people, ranked the state 9th highest. For Robbery, per 100,000 people, New Hampshire’s rate was 36.7 which ranked the state as having the 42nd highest for Robbery. The state also had 94.7 Aggravated Assaults for every 100,000 people, which indexed the state as having the 47th highest position for this crime among the states. For every 100,000 people there were 404.0 Burglaries, which ranks New Hampshire as having the 48th highest standing among the states. Larceny - Theft was reported 1,680.0 times per hundred thousand people in New Hampshire which standing is the 47th highest among the states. Vehicle Theft occurred 173.8 times per 100,000 people, which fixed the state as having the 44th highest for vehicle theft among the states."

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/nhcrime.h...
Emily

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Just past the quirky intersection of Dickinson, Main, and Triangle, then right, almost diagonally across from Gray St., through the lot in front of the Red Barn. (That traffic light can be very slow, especially if the pedestrian button is pushed.) Past the rear of the Red Barn parking lot where it meets the gravel Amtrak parking lot. At the back of the Amtrak parking lot, there's a short grassy road that crosses an unused railroad track (caution: big bump here at tracks). This grassy road connects the Amtrak parking lot to the rear lot of a used car dealer. Out in front is Dickinson, which ends right across from the College St (Rt 9) entrance to AC.
Benjamin Franklin

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Theory plagiarism - or genuinely independently brought up?

http://forensicastrology.blogspot.com/2008/08...

My bias is to say plagiarism. I am hard pressed to take this seriously.

But I do respect the opinion of those that do.
elsewherebriefly

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Oct 13, 2008
 
Oh and by the way Bill, thanks for the compliment.

Although our views are on opposite ends of the spectrum you are very methodical and articulate.
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"New Hampshire rated safest state in U.S."

http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...
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elsewherebriefly wrote:
O.K, this was one of those things I read and re-read to make sure I wasn't mistaken.
"In the year 2000 New Hampshire had an estimated population of 1,235,786 which ranked the state as having the 41st in population. For that year the State of New Hampshire had a total Crime Index of 2,433.1 reported incidents per 100,000 people. This ranked the state as having the 48th highest total Crime Index. For Violent Crime New Hampshire had a reported incident rate of 175.4 per 100,000 people. This ranked the state as having the 46th highest occurrence for Violent Crime among the states. For crimes against Property, the state had a reported incident rate of 2,257.8 per 100,000 people, which ranked as the state 48th highest. Also in the year 2000 New Hampshire had 1.8 Murders per 100,000 people, ranking the state as having the 44th highest rate for Murder. New Hampshire’s 42.2 reported Forced Rapes per 100,000 people, ranked the state 9th highest. For Robbery, per 100,000 people, New Hampshire’s rate was 36.7 which ranked the state as having the 42nd highest for Robbery. The state also had 94.7 Aggravated Assaults for every 100,000 people, which indexed the state as having the 47th highest position for this crime among the states. For every 100,000 people there were 404.0 Burglaries, which ranks New Hampshire as having the 48th highest standing among the states. Larceny - Theft was reported 1,680.0 times per hundred thousand people in New Hampshire which standing is the 47th highest among the states. Vehicle Theft occurred 173.8 times per 100,000 people, which fixed the state as having the 44th highest for vehicle theft among the states."
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/nhcrime.h...
Didn't you leave something out, like the explanation of the index?

"Planning a trip to a New Hampshire hotel? The crime rates are low, so the bed and breakfasts are safe in just about any area. You can even find campgrounds to bring your family to enjoy the great outdoors.
The table below provides the rank of each State's reported rate of crime as compared to the 50 States and the District of Columbia. 1 = the highest reported crime rate and 51 = the lowest. Going from one year to the next a higher number means, that compared to other States, the relative crime rate is increasing and a lower number means that the relative level of crime is decreasing. The Index category represents the total number of crimes, and since most crimes involve property crime it is weighted towards these types of crime."

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/nhcrime.h...
Benjamin Franklin

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On crime in New Hampshire / Vermont

My work's office has just moved a few blocks down the street - and in the process we're getting rid of a number of items - including a *1984 World Almanac* that has probably never been used.(We're pack rats)

Just so we have an idea as to how things have changed in 24 years - the crime rate in those states were among the lowest in the country *at the time.*

Now - this is how I see it.

First - the statistics that are cited are compiled by the Police themselves.

[In accounting - we are taught if someone has the ability to alter the records, has authority to move an asset and is also in possession of it - they can commit fraud. This is why an employer may have their employees follow some procedures that seem inefficient.]

Also - when I go away for the weekend to a small town in Southern Oregon - and watch TV - I see commercials about busting Meth labs... I don't see them in the more populated area where I live most of the time.

What conclusion do I draw from this?

1. A corrupt police force would under report crime rates. It seems that more crimes are being reported - an indication that they are not corrupt.

2. The drug industry has moved into areas of low population - and violent crimes have come with it.

3. Small jurisdictions with small budgets are now having to contend with big city crimes - and they don't have the big city budget to deal with it.

4. The native locals aren't using these drugs - aren't making these drugs - the imported criminal element has brought violence to their areas. These drug manufacturers hope to hide out in distant cabins or whatnot - and not attract attention. So while the area is still safe to everyday people - the drug manufacturers are fighting amongst themselves bringing the crime rate up.

My opinion is that we should actually be sympathetic towards the police and the native locals - who are suffering.

I also think that Maura could have been caught in the crossfire.
Emily

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Montague hired Gale Associates to figure out how the runway at Turners Falls Airport could be lengthened in order to accomodate small jets, sometimes called executive jets. Considering that the surrounding area is not populated with many people that use small jets, what is the point? Yes, it would help out Bill Cosby, so he wouldn't have to use his turbo prop to come and go. And yes, it would cut about 20-30 minutes off the travel time of a few area private school students. But those small benefits do not make a compelling case for lengthening the runway in a town like Turners. What else does? Ask Gov. Duval Patrick.

The Turners runway can be lengthened at only one end, which, if the land purchase cannot be negotiated, must end up a taking by emminent domain. Ever since Kelso v New London, things have changed regarding emminent domain.

May not seem relevant, but Gale works hand in glove with Lane. And Lane, like Tomasso, lays down a lot of pavement and pours a lot of concrete. Which starts out as rocks in the ground.

Now, Rowland received that 1967 Mustang, and it had to come from somewhere. Where was this car restored? It didn't just materialize in front of DeRosa (Key Air's travel agent for the Gov).

Hate to say this, not being cold and cruel, but it makes you wonder what you're really driving over sometimes.
elsewherebriefly

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Here is the crime rate index reported by the Haverhill Police Department.

http://www.disastercenter.com/newhamp/crime/7...
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