Where is MAURA MURRAY

Wowzer wrote:

<quoted text>Thank you so much for explaining in more simple language your more formal legalistic language. I never would have understood what you meant otherwise.
Gosh Firecat do you REALLY think that the people here are that dumb.Your reply was just plain rude IMO.

Meant to say your reply is just plain rude and insulting to Whiston who has been with the MMM for a long time.

FireCat wrote:

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Well put, JMO. I'd judge the post as helpful and insightful, but as we all know the judgings are utterly fruity. So I thought I'd say it out loud.:)

Thanks...appreciate the positive, FireCat ;-)

The judging icons have a purpose, except when there are multiple points made in one comment which can't be specifically 'judged'.
They could be refined and added to...but it's prob. not a Topix priority.

hi all, i never said that the Murrays were lying about what they knew of Mauras prior life.i know they have there reasons for not discussing Mauras prior life ,including her class schedule, where she worked and where she had her clinicals.This is about why she planned to take a week off and did not tell anyone close to her about her plans.That happened in Amherst.after Amherst there is only mrMurrays car in NH.there is still no hard proof that Maura left Amherst.Maura was in Amherst and then vanished.everything that Maura did in Amherst can be verified either on video or by other students or friends. I cannot say how ridiculous it sounds that her schedule was unkmnown.other people say they took the same classes.who was the first person in Mauras room after she vanished and what did they do.anything you know about Mauras prior life would be usefull .take care

Wowzer wrote:

<quoted text>Thank you so much for explaining in more simple language your more formal legalistic language. I never would have understood what you meant otherwise.
Gosh Firecat do you REALLY think that the people here are that dumb.Your reply was just plain rude IMO.

Hahaha, no, of course I don't think people here are dumb. I put it plainly because I was recently repeatedly accused of using high-falutin language to shove my alleged intellectual capacity in other people's faces.

Seems I'm damned if I do, damned if I don't.

whiston wrote:

everything that Maura did in Amherst can be verified either on video or by other students or friends.

No, Whiston, that's the trouble. It CAN'T. And neither can the lives of countless other people. Including myself. If someone is a private person, as it seems Maura was, they often spend periods of time alone. If god forbid I disappeared tomorrow, there would be large chunks of the past week of my life that would be unable to be accounted for by anyone. As an example, my Monday evening:

after supper, I went out. The people with whom I live knew I was going out, and knew approximately when I would be back (ie, sometime later that evening). As it happens, I spent some time alone on a short walk in a nature preserve, and some hours in a local bookstore on my way home, having tea and allegedly doing some work. No one would be able to verify that, though, because I didn't mention where I was going, saw no one at all at the nature preserve (except some raccoons and the mosquito that tried to eat me alive and eventually caused my forced evacuation) and I didn't see anyone I knew at the bookstore. Where there are no surveillance cameras.

But no one with whom I live (and I am related to them; they are my family) knew that, before or after the excursion. And if someone asked them that four years from now, they STILL wouldn't know. Neither would my best friend. Or any of you. Or the police, most likely, because I didn't drive on any toll roads to get there.

I cannot say how ridiculous it sounds that her schedule was unkmnown.other people say they took the same classes.

Ridiculous as it may sound, that's the information that's available to us at this point. Short of UMass suddenly deciding to break several student privacy laws (and they are, in fact, laws) and also go against the request of the local police department and tell us, we're not going to get that information, unless or until Fred (who is, after all, her father) or investigators (who are professionals), decide it's important to find this out. No matter how many times you ask. And we're all just going to have to live with that.

who was the first person in Mauras room after she vanished and what did they do.

I believe it has already been established (ie, asked and answered numerous times) that the first people in Maura's room were UMass police/security, and I believe Billy was with them.

anything you know about Mauras prior life would be usefull .take care

My sources are your sources. I do not have any information about her prior life to share with you, or I would, if I thought it would help find Maura.

As for you knowing the family has their reasons, why can't you respect their reasons? I am honestly curious. Do you think they're not doing enough to find Maura? Because, frankly, that's the vibe I'm getting. And I don't dislike you, philip. I hope you know that. I think you're someone who cares deeply what happened to Maura, and that you want her to be found.

I also agree with you that there's no proof Maura necessarily ever left Amherst, since I've long expounded on what constitutes proof and a fact (yes I'm poking fun at myself).

I just don't see what most of the particular questions you ask have to do with the likelihood of finding out what happened to her. And I also don't understand why you insist that some questions that have REPEATEDLY been answered (where she had her clinicals, who was first in her room) have not been answered. And why you can't accept that no one seems to remember the specific gallery where Maura worked. If you asked any of my close friends where I worked in college, they'd say, "at the theatre on campus" though there were at count at least 8 in the department alone. No one ever remembered which one, because many friends didn't realise there were so many. And that's often not the sort of thing people register.

JMO wrote:

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Thanks...appreciate the positive, FireCat ;-)
The judging icons have a purpose, except when there are multiple points made in one comment which can't be specifically 'judged'.
They could be refined and added to...but it's prob. not a Topix priority.

Oh, I know they have a purpose, I just don't think they're being used for that intended purpose in this particular instance. LOL.

FireCat wrote:

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Hahaha, no, of course I don't think people here are dumb. I put it plainly because I was recently repeatedly accused of using high-falutin language to shove my alleged intellectual capacity in other people's faces.

Where exactly was this? Which posts? Please share.

FireCat wrote:

As for you knowing the family has their reasons, why can't you respect their reasons? I am honestly curious. Do you think they're not doing enough to find Maura? Because, frankly, that's the vibe I'm getting. And I don't dislike you, philip. I hope you know that. I think you're someone who cares deeply what happened to Maura, and that you want her to be found.
I also agree with you that there's no proof Maura necessarily ever left Amherst, since I've long expounded on what constitutes proof and a fact (yes I'm poking fun at myself).
I just don't see what most of the particular questions you ask have to do with the likelihood of finding out what happened to her. And I also don't understand why you insist that some questions that have REPEATEDLY been answered (where she had her clinicals, who was first in her room) have not been answered. And why you can't accept that no one seems to remember the specific gallery where Maura worked. If you asked any of my close friends where I worked in college, they'd say, "at the theatre on campus" though there were at count at least 8 in the department alone. No one ever remembered which one, because many friends didn't realise there were so many. And that's often not the sort of thing people register.

The campus she worked at can easily be found by a family member by looking at W2 that came in at the end of 2004 or by looking at the record of what she paid into social security. Both of those documents list the employer. As for the clinicals, there is no possible way Amherst sent her 2 hours away for clinical--it doesn't happen that way. It would be considered unsafe for her to drive 2 hours to clinical, do an 8 hour clinical, pre and post conference and then drive back 2 hours. Now all that comes AFTER already driving out to the clinical site to research your patient and their condition, preparing a nursing care plan and nursing goals. That would have to happen several times a week each week during the semester. It's not realistic at all.

sorry not campus, gallery she worked at

Harry wrote:

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Discussing Amherst any further is counter-productive. It just brings out the worst in everyone.

There is no proof that Maura left Amherst. Maybe discussing Haverhill is counter-productive as well?

hi Firecat and all .you are right i do care very deeply about finding out what happened to Maura.as for my questions about Mauras prior life.that is all we have right now.i disagree that my questions have been answered .as for nobody knowing which galley Maura worked in .she got paid by check she deposited that check she had checks due to her when she left .she worked with Sara Alfieri in that Gallery.she had the same class schedule as Lindsay Pemberton she got rides from friends that shared her clinicals.how can that not be known.please dont brush me off and say these questions have been answered they have not.the only people that can help to find out why Maura left were in her life before feb 09 04.i hope this clears up my thought process. i dont' want to be combative here or sound rude.as for mrMurray doing enough to find Maura i am not the one to judge what enough is.i have to keep looking for answers to my questions because maybe someone new here will have some answers and it is important to me..one more thing who has the photos of the saturn that were taken closest to feb 09 2004.take care philip

Towing a vehicle with a human in it is illegal.

Sybil - love the name!

1Anne - if you are still reading, I was behind a white Lexus suv today with the NH tag "SIRCH".

Is the family tracking Maura's social security # to monitor for any activity?

hi Looking4amoose.Maura had a clinical in Norwwod ma on feb 03 04 .she had one the next day in Holyoke ma this was posted on the old site by Helena who i assume got it from Mauras family.it sounds like you are saying that this would be a stretch .any thoughts please. take care philip

Half Moon wrote:

Towing a vehicle with a human in it is illegal.
Sybil - love the name!
1Anne - if you are still reading, I was behind a white Lexus suv today with the NH tag "SIRCH".

Yes, but it happens. I rode in my towed vehicle on a flatbed once in Montana.

Ok, I'm NOT using a proxy server, but I'm at a public cafe (a popular chain) whose home obviously is in Indiana.....weird. Just wanted to clarify, in case anyone was worried that I too was gaining alter egos. :)

Sure.

Well - I look really dumb. The episode that has Christy in it - from "Why I ran" is not up there. I couldn't check yesterday - I don't have the newest flash player where I was - but today I do.

Anyway - the point is - that under rare circumstances, very normal people can do things unusual to their personality, caused by medical circumstances.

Christy in this episode of "Why I Ran" fully admits that what she did that night does not make sense to her now.

If this is what happened to Maura - no one will ever find (a reason that makes sense to anyone) as to why she did what she did from the time she left until she was seen in her car.

It is only to the imagination to figure out where she may have gone.

I can also see - that if Maura were having a rough time (as most people do at some point in their lives) they may not want to discuss the issue - or they may have never known.

When I was that age - and if I weren't feeling well - and a doctor gave me something to fel better - I may not tell anyone.

The only scenarios that make sense in this situation are all far fetched somewhat, so I can't say this possibility is more unlikelt then an unsolved murder at Amhurst, her running away - or a killer being at the right place at the right time.

hi all.just personally speaking if my 21 year old daughter went missing . i wuould say where she was last seen working , last went to class and last had her clinicals.i would post anything that may jog a memory that may help find HER. this is normal ask Brianna Maitlands parents take carre philip