Where is MAURA MURRAY

Yes, Eurobserver, I have thought that myself, that is one of the scenerios that I can actually see happening, her being so shaken up by the car hitting her, turning her around and then the air bag thing that she got all confused and weird (who wouldn't). And then my opinion is that she was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and someone happened by (like the psychic said) and took her. She might have easily gone with him because of being all shaken up like you do when you get into an accident.

The other thought I had the other night as I was getting into my car at a convenience store in the dark, I looked in my back hatchback of the car and thought anyone could have slipped in that car and no one would notice. Why couldn't that have happened to Maura? Someone in the back of the car? Causing her to swerve when she realized someone was in the back seat? And then maybe he took her? Took her where I don't know, I haven't gotten that far yet, just some thoughts, I guess as good as any right, just thinking out loud here. Hope no one slams me for it.

FireCat wrote:

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Think it could very well be possible. Head on, OR her rear-ending someone who sped off.

Hello FireCat & all,

Thanks for your input there.
So if we accept that this could be a feasible theory and that it likely was Maura in the Saturn, it would seem to follow that:

1. Maura ran away on foot from the car

2. Maura was picked up by a passing vehicle, driven by a (to Maura) known "helper"

3. Maura was picked up by a passing vehicle, driven by a (to Maura) unknown person

One of these three options is likely the correct one.
Whatever happened, there have been only two possible sightings of Maura since then (known to us):

1. In the Barton, VT, church in the summer of 2005
2. In the convenience store in NH in 2006

Only two known possible sightings since February 2004, and these have officially been deemed of no interest.
Even so, those possible sightings of Maura are all we have to go by over the course of the last 4 years and 8 months.

why would someone mark my thoughts as spam? I'm confused, it's on topic, It's not a crazy idea, I'm just giving my opinion. I don't get it.

Hello Laurieisgone,

First of all, welcome here on board.
As always, we do need new ideas and new people here in order to hopefully make some progress.

I can fully understand your consternation and upset feelings regarding that totally unjustified "spam judgment".

Unfortunately, this is probably something that you and everybody else here must put up with as long as the current "judgment" system remains in operation.
Just try to disregard it, however annoying and unfair it may be...

hi all .Maura had pay checks coming from her 2 jobs .Ask Sara Alfieri where she worked.They worked at the mystery gallery together.to say Mauras life before she vanished is unknown is rediculous.i have never said if 'Maura were my daughter'.i have never said the Murrays were lying.if they were not told by pd or friends about her prior life that would be very odd to me.why would they not tell them.if the Murrays know where she worked , her class schedule and where her clinicals were.why is it not discussed.this does not even consider the dozens of people who came into contact with Maura every day. i know some of the cousins want me to stop asking but until i know why, that wont happen. i am glad we have here more than the filtered information that we got on the last forum and more free thinking people that are allowed to post.to those that ask about Mauras prior life out in the open i thank you for you courage .Ben Thanks for the work on the tax info and the extended posts.take care philip

Laurieisgone wrote:

why would someone mark my thoughts as spam? I'm confused, it's on topic, It's not a crazy idea, I'm just giving my opinion. I don't get it.

Welcome to the "judged" club. Some people out there just love putting others down, doesn't matter what was said.

Laurieisgone,

What you described in the final paragraph of your last post is in fact a method of gang initiation.

Another thing the general public, especially young women, was alerted to is to be wary of parking/walking beside vans in large parking lots.

If Maura and or her phone were still in the Amherst area late in the afternoon on the 9th, likely the Londonderry ping call would have gone through.
Since it was evidently not recorded on her bill, chances are her phone was out of a cell coverage area.
The likelihood of less cell coverage would be north.

We can narrow the time from 4:37pm( messages checked) to 6pm.( Late afternoon ping call)
In 05 cell coverage along I91 was good until White River Junction.

mcsmom wrote:

If Maura and or her phone were still in the Amherst area late in the afternoon on the 9th, likely the Londonderry ping call would have gone through.
Since it was evidently not recorded on her bill, chances are her phone was out of a cell coverage area.
The likelihood of less cell coverage would be north.
We can narrow the time from 4:37pm( messages checked) to 6pm.( Late afternoon ping call)
In 05 cell coverage along I91 was good until White River Junction.

This is important - if you no this for sure - I'm glad you told us. Let us know if you know this for certain.

One thing I was unsure of, was that incoming calls appear on the bill. By it not being on the bill - plus the witness with the wide range of time - 3:30 to 4:30 - now that gives more time along the way.

This is just almost as huge a factor - as my mistake when I incorrectly thought that Maura made a call (someone actually tried to call) and it was near Londonberry, Vermont (it was actually Londonberry New Hampshire)

I'm goint to look over my last few posts to see what effect this has.

mcsmom wrote:

If Maura and or her phone were still in the Amherst area late in the afternoon on the 9th, likely the Londonderry ping call would have gone through.
Since it was evidently not recorded on her bill, chances are her phone was out of a cell coverage area.
The likelihood of less cell coverage would be north.
We can narrow the time from 4:37pm( messages checked) to 6pm.( Late afternoon ping call)
In 05 cell coverage along I91 was good until White River Junction.

Would th eping have gone through if her phone was turned off or the battery was dead?

OK - so I'm going to be away this weekend to Oregon - but I'll think about this while I'm putting up a fence in my yard and driving 6 hours to and from.

The big issue I have is no blood in the car - that means kidnapping - but now that means the kidnapper took Maura somewhere and someone else decided to take the car somewhere else.

Enough time for a kidnapping there.

I'm not sold on the idea yet that the car was only moved 3 miles - except that the person who was dumping the car had to get back to where she belonged. The longer the distance the more likely that three people were involved. 1 to dump the car - another to rescue the dumper and the third with Maura. Unless the dumper left on foot - but that requires a relatively short distance.

I find that so odd that three people would do this and no one would start talking. Not one would be in jail yet wanting to talk about this case to get a lighter sentence on subsequent crime I'd expect. That's my other problem with this.

Plus - maybe its the opposite that Mr. Atwood assumed it was Maura because he heard a woman's voice - but it was dark and there was some obstruction.

On this line - the solution is circular. If a kidnapping took place before the car's final resting point - then were talking 2 people involved. 2 people involved in my mind is just as extraordinary as anything else I thought possible - if not more. Yeah there are known histories of teams. But we ignore her change in behavior at Amhurst.

But if Maura made it and fled - the time she left Amhurst is not critical - just the coincidence that the kidnapper / killer was there.

Benjamin Franklyne wrote:

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I'm saying too much here - but basicly accounting packages have to be as sophisticated as he describes - to track the expense (example salaries) the grant (example Department of Education) and sometimes division within organization (College of Engineering).
However - not everybody is going to be given the codes - it all depends on the organization's policies / management approach - who does the payroll and if they have that information too.

Thanks Ben---and "he" is a she actually. I think it could be very easy for the family or LE to find out exactly where she worked.

I was thinking about the fact that the "witness" stated Maura's hair was up when he saw her in the Saturn at the Weathered Barn. Since she was a nursing student, she would have had to get used to wearing her hair up because as a student, it's necessary when doing clinicals. So, even though she never worse it up prior to nursing school, it may have become a habit due to her clinicals.

Looking4AMoose wrote:

I was thinking about the fact that the "witness" stated Maura's hair was up when he saw her in the Saturn at the Weathered Barn. Since she was a nursing student, she would have had to get used to wearing her hair up because as a student, it's necessary when doing clinicals. So, even though she never worse it up prior to nursing school, it may have become a habit due to her clinicals.

That whole post confuses me. When you say the "witness" do you mean SBD? Because he said her hair was DOWN.

I was also under the impression that Maura ALMOST ALWAYS wore her hair UP, and you've indicated the opposite.(I remember one picture she even wrote something to the effect of "What's this? Maura with her hair down??" or something)

Please clarify this for my Friday-afternoon-befuddled brain, Moose? Thanks!

hi all.if a cell phone is called and it is on, it will 'ping' on the closest tower if the phone is off or has a dead battery it will not 'ping'.this puts Mauras phone near NH Londonderry.some of the towers have a 20 mile range some have a 1 mile range,there are several sites that explain it.The main one i found is How CDMA works.take care philip

Wait a sec - I didn't leave yet.

mcrsmom - I just noticed a problem. Timeline says that Maura Checked her voice mail 4:37 PM after or around the time the call went to the Londonberry tower. Looking at it the other way - Her checking her voice mail at 4:37 PM puts her south of White River Junction if you are correct about reception.

We really need to know if an attempted call would show up on the bill if in range - not if out of range or cell dead.

If it would and you are sure - then we have an impossibility in that Maura was both in and out of range in a small period of time - unless she was right at the border of reception)

About 46 min drive from White River Junction to Woodsville -per google.

mcrsmom - I also think I misunderstood what you wrote. Thinking - retracing...

Range ends at White River Junction. So at 4:37 she was no further North then White River Junction. By 6PM she was not south of White River Junction.

OK -**I shouldn't have said there was a problem.**

I made the same mistake - I mistakenly assumed the Londonberry call to Maura was the 4:37 PM call from Maura.

Brilliant observation mcrsmom.

So as early as 4:38 PM she was at White River Junction - certainly before 6:00 - yet a 46 minute drive to the crash site takes at least and hour and 20 minutes or so.

35 minutes unaccounted for - when something happened.

Brilliant observation mcrsmom. I need more feedback like this.

Also I hope I didn't mess up my last point there.

whiston wrote:

hi all.if a cell phone is called and it is on, it will 'ping' on the closest tower if the phone is off or has a dead battery it will not 'ping'.this puts Mauras phone near NH Londonderry.some of the towers have a 20 mile range some have a 1 mile range,there are several sites that explain it.The main one i found is How CDMA works.take care philip

Thanks. That's the clearest explanation I've heard about this.(and that's not to judge anyone else's attempts, just to say that this is the only one my brain has actually UNDERSTOOD. That's not your problem, it's mine!)

FireCat wrote:

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That whole post confuses me. When you say the "witness" do you mean SBD? Because he said her hair was DOWN.
I was also under the impression that Maura ALMOST ALWAYS wore her hair UP, and you've indicated the opposite.(I remember one picture she even wrote something to the effect of "What's this? Maura with her hair down??" or something)
Please clarify this for my Friday-afternoon-befuddled brain, Moose? Thanks!

Hello FireCat,

Maura´s hair was certainly almost always "up", according to all information I have seen here and on the ex-MMM board.
We have all probably seen the many heart-breakingly lovely pictures of her on the MMM site, and I remember that almost all of these photos show Maura with her hair "up".
In one picture she´s got her hair "down" and that makes her look almost like a different young lady altogether!
If Maura was indeed in the Saturn by the Weathered Barn and if her hair was indeed "down", then I would consider it quite possible for the SBD (Mr A-d) to be somewhat confused regarding Maura´s appearance.

"then we have an impossibility in that Maura was both in and out of range in a small period of time"

This is wrong too.

whiston wrote:

hi all.if a cell phone is called and it is on, it will 'ping' on the closest tower if the phone is off or has a dead battery it will not 'ping'.this puts Mauras phone near NH Londonderry.some of the towers have a 20 mile range some have a 1 mile range,there are several sites that explain it.The main one i found is How CDMA works.take care philip

Waiting for my wife so we can go...

From: http://www.privateline.com/mt_dailynotes/2008...

"Cell Phone Tower Scanning

Q.: When a cell phone is turned on, and pings for a tower, do all towers record the pings, no matter the
service provider?

For instance, if your provider is Verizon, will your pings be recorded by a Cingular tower if it is the
nearest in the clear?

A.(From Mark van der Hoek)

Nope. First of all, the phone doesn't 'ping' anything, it scans intelligently. When your phone is first turned on, it searches for available service according to a list that it stores internally. This list includes the frequency band and operator ID to scan, and it will scan ONLY these for normal service.(911 calls are different.) Your own operator and any authorized roaming partners will be in the list, but nobody else.

When it locates the best signal from list, it locks on, then registers on the network by sending its serial number and mobile number. This registration is sent to ONE site on ONE operator, not to all in the area. This is to let the system know you are available. The system then knows you are there, and where to send paging messages if there is a call for you. It stores this info until you either move to another area, or de-register.(Your mobile will re-register every X minutes. If the system doesn't hear from you for X minutes, it will assume you've turned off your phone and will forget about you until you re-register. X can run from a few minutes to an hour or more. The typical values are about 10-15 minutes.) Other than the system knowing your registration state, and the area you're in (or your last registered location), there is no record kept of this. Every time your registration area changes, the old info is overwritten. No history is kept. If a call comes in while you are de-registered, it will be sent straight to a "treatment," in phone company lingo. This would be voice mail, if you have that service, or a "Customer not available." recording, if you don't.(So, if you call someone and it goes straight to voice mail or a recording, it's usually because they are de-registered.)

A Verizon phone neither knows nor cares about a Cingular site, and vice versa. They use different technologies, and there is no compatibility between them.(CAVEAT: Some Verizon phones and some Cingular phones have analog capability. In this case, the 911 scenario, below, does apply.)

If you had, for example, a Verizon phone and Verizon & Sprint in the same area (same technology), the only time Sprint would ever be aware of your phone might be during a 911 call. If your phone can't find a good signal on a Verizon site, it will use whatever it CAN find (within the same technology), and that carrier is obligated to process the call. So, back to Verizon & Cingular, if you have an analog capable Verizon phone, and no Verizon service is available, Cingular could process that call if they had analog in your area."