Where is MAURA MURRAY

FireCat wrote:

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Oh for chrissake, not THAT again.

You have a problem with a scenario that includes Vasi's being hit? He was, after all, found unconscious near those speed bumps, which are large enough to set off the Saturn's airbags.

Sorry I wasn't aware it had been posted!
Shouldn't be an issue for Lady GRAY
to post it again.
For for those of us like good ole Shack
who like to see it with our own eyes.

FireCat wrote:

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Posted Friday, 24 Oct. It's the next post of hers after the "unclear" comment about "underwear." Lady Grey posted, then a one-line short post asking for an update on the case, then Lady Grey posted the above.
I have not reviewed the inventory list recently (when I did review it, it was online) nor do I need to, since what I was doing was clarifying Lady Grey's statement, not stating my own opinion.
However, I do trust Lady Grey's opinions and her statements of fact, as she has never said anything that has caused me to breach my trust in her ability or desire to tell the truth.

hi Anne and all the Gary Lindsley article is posted at #7221.WhiteWash the witness from cottage hospital passed the barn at 7.12 pm .sgtSmiths car was there with no signs of people.mrsWestman did not call 911 until 7.27pm.thats the 15 minutes .the witness left cottage hspital at 7.pm.someone is very wrong with there time.the cottage hospital witness clocked ou at 7.pm .the 911 operator has the call on tape or at least logged.take care philip

I get the distinct impression that the attack ducks take their inspiriation from people like Eric Rudolph, Paul Hill, Shelly Shannon, and James Kopp.

Eurobserver wrote:

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Hello FireCat & all,
I respect you, but why so adamant here?
I don´t myself think it likely that Maura herself could have been driving the Saturn IF it indeed hit Petrit Vasi.
However, it is not inconceivable that a close friend of Maura´s might have been driving her car at the time and that this could be one reason why the car had to be disposed of.
What if there was a "secret" boyfriend and he was responsible for the hit-and-run. Perhaps this was the reason why Maura was so upset after having received that mystery call at¨the Melville dorm security desk?

I was cranky and referring more to Harry's habit of posting seemingly utterly random information in a constant stream than the particulars of what it might have said. So much of the information from Alden is in bits and pieces and seemingly has no connection to Maura; and he seems unwilling to connect the dots. And, frankly, it cheeses me off.

FireCat wrote:

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I was cranky and referring more to Harry's habit of posting seemingly utterly random information in a constant stream than the particulars of what it might have said. So much of the information from Alden is in bits and pieces and seemingly has no connection to Maura; and he seems unwilling to connect the dots. And, frankly, it cheeses me off.

It would cheese off a lot of lazy people whose sole purpose and SOLE CONTRIBUTION TO THIS THREAD is to cause trouble and shut people up.

There is an abundance of things to learn about Maura Murray's disappearance, but you're too damn smart for that. You're too damn busy stirring the pot and you know it. That's the only reason you are here at all.

You'd rather plump up your brainy pride and sarcasm than humble yourself enough to find out what happened to Maura. You'd rather discredit than contribute.

Firecat..yeh...indeed..tis tiresome..
as some other SOSDD

Yes, whomever posted lemons, murder is a sour point, clueless (I wish that were so) and spam (I just can't seem to sweep the murders in the area under the carpet) Thank you judges! Truth be known, I would have understood off topic.

If the attack ducks had been born in Afghanistan, they'd be leaders of the Taliban.

whiston wrote:

hi Anne and all the Gary Lindsley article is posted at #7221.WhiteWash the witness from cottage hospital passed the barn at 7.12 pm .sgtSmiths car was there with no signs of people.mrsWestman did not call 911 until 7.27pm.thats the 15 minutes .the witness left cottage hspital at 7.pm.someone is very wrong with there time.the cottage hospital witness clocked ou at 7.pm .the 911 operator has the call on tape or at least logged.take care philip

philip, I gave up a couple years ago trying to figure out the time sequence. I cannot reconcile our times with the other 'official' times so I have just let it go to a higher power. I'll say it again, I know what I heard.

Shack wrote:

Firecat..yeh...indeed..tis tiresome..
as some other SOSDD

If you don't like it here, then why do you keep coming back?

So you can say that children should disappear, just for a little while? It's obvious how highly you think of the child you think should disappear. Can't answer that, can you?

You would completely de-personalize a child!

You openly, enthusiastically say a child should become nothing more than an object, a pawn in a game of yours. If that's what you think of children, then it's impossible to believe you have any interest at all in finding Maura Murray or discovering what happened to her.

You and your attack ducklings are an insult to Maura Murray's life and to life everywhere.

If you're so damn tired, then rest yourself.

FireCat wrote:

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I was cranky and referring more to Harry's habit of posting seemingly utterly random information in a constant stream than the particulars of what it might have said. So much of the information from Alden is in bits and pieces and seemingly has no connection to Maura; and he seems unwilling to connect the dots. And, frankly, it cheeses me off.

Not just an overactive imagination, I find pool boy's/claysoup's/Alden?/Harry' s? theories interesting...a wealth of information and the Amherst connection.
Interesting, too, possible ties here to Birthright.

Comment #28 on this thread -
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/franconia-nh/...

Read text of claysoup at post #7102

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/franconia-nh/...

Amherst, not Haverhill.

hi Anne, i am in no way questioning what you heard . i hope i did not come across that way .take care philip

JMO wrote:

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Not just an overactive imagination, I find pool boy's/claysoup's/Alden?/Harry' s? theories interesting...a wealth of information and the Amherst connection.
Interesting, too, possible ties here to Birthright.
Comment #28 on this thread -
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/franconia-nh/...
Read text of claysoup at post #7102
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/franconia-nh/...
Amherst, not Haverhill.

Okay. Harry, you bought some books at an auction and a clue "fell out." What was the clue? Put it out there. You've put so much else out there. What is the clue?

mcsmom wrote:

Firecat... the first time I ever heard anything about the hockey bag was from the JO article. Unfortunately, this article is not listed on their web page archives. Maybe white wash will run it again.

Journal Opinion February 20, 2008 Editorial
Regaining perspective
It's been over four years since a single car accident on a winter evening on Route 112 in Swiftwater precipitated the disappearance of Maura Murray.
It's easy to forget that to those unfamiliar with our region, but who have become enrapt with the details of the missing woman's case, Haverhill and Grafton County are viewed almost solely through the lens of Maura's case. And for many that view has been less than flattering as Fred Murray's lawsuit against local and state law enforcement agencies has wound through the court system and no answers to the mystery have been provided.
Certainly, the implications of the case are not frivolous and the action poses an interesting legal question: To what extent should a family have access to information collected as part of the search for their daughter, their niece, their sibling, their loved one?
But we're struck by Haverhill Police Chief Jeff Williams' words as he redirected our attention in a piece we published last week. "Williams always strives to get the focus back to what is the most important question in this case," Kelly A. White wrote in the article. "Where is Maura Murray?" On behalf of the defendants in the suit, Attorney General Kelly Ayotte has responded that those records could become the basis of a future criminal investigation in which case confidentiality is of paramount concern. While a plausible explanation, it is easy to see how the Murray family's frustration mounts as the perception increases that no progress is being made into determining Maura's whereabouts and no criminal charges are forthcoming.
But litigation has also posed distractive and in some ways diminished attention to the search for Maura....TBC

Part II
The incessant media attention has no doubt worn Swiftwater residents and their neighbors thin, and it is not easily forgotten for them that a young woman is still missing. But for the rest of us, we need to remember the important question: Where is Maura Murray?
After all, searching needs focus.
This is a front page article from the Journal Opinion (by Kelly A. White)
Police defend procedure in Murray case
------Early timeline reviewed---
Though four years have now passed, the location and date of Maura Murray's disappearance are still etched in the memory of North Country residents: Route 112 in Haverhill on Feb. 9, 2004.
It is a mystery what happened to Murray after the 21-year-old woman crashed her car and disappeared. And four years of searches, investigations and speculation have seen leads turn to deadends and a family and small New Hampshire town get caught in the middle of a tragic mystery. After four years of speculation about the Maura Murray case, the law enforcement agencies involved want to speak out about the investigation and assure the public that procedures and policies that are used for any investigation were followed in the Maura Murray case.
Haverhill Police Chief Jeff Williams always strives to get the focus back to what is the most important question in this case, "Where is Maura Murray?"
In an interview, Williams took the opportunity to remind the public of the facts from the original case. For Williams, it is important to note that the Haverhill Police Department as well as all the law enforcement involved, handled the investigation according to regular procedure and protocol from day one. And he says that the investigation has been handled properly since Haver Police Department responded to the initial calls about a car accident in Swiftwater.
Williams said that Haverhill Police Department did all they could the night of the accident. Standard procedures were followed and photographs and documentation were made of everything that they found that night. The only thing he said he wished was different that night was that they could have made contact with the Murray family the night of the accident.

Part III
Lt. John Scarinza of the New Hampshire State Police added that the combined law enforcement agencies have put in thousands of man hours on this case with no cost spared to find Maura Murray and he added that all agencies have worked well together and within standard policies and procedures expected of them.
As part of an interview with Williams, the Haverhill Police Department provided the following timeline of the early stages of the investigation into the car accident:

JO Part IV
On Feb. 9 at 7:29p.m., a 911 call was placed by residents on Wild Ammonoosuc Road about a motor vehicle accident. At 7:46 p.m., Grafton County Dispatch received a call that Sgt. Cecil Smith arrived at the scene. Smith found the vehicle locked and without a driver. He had dispatch run the license plate for the black 1996 Saturn 4-door. He was informed that the car was owned by Fred Murray of Weymouth, MA.
During the first stages of the investigation into the accident, photographs were taken of tire tracks in the snow leading into a stand of trees on the side of the road and showed that the vehicle struck the trees with enough impact to deploy both airbags. Williams noted that taking photographic evidence and documentation at the scene of an accident are standard operating procedure.
Smith later began to question neighbors about the accident. After questioning a school bus driver who stopped to enquire if Maura needed assistance, Smith learned that a woman in her 20's had been seen at the vehicle. According to a statement given the police, the witness stated the woman's speech was slurred and she had to hold on to something while she stood.
"She begged me not to call police," according to the witness' statement.

JO -Part V
While still on scene, Smith requested that Grafton County Dispatch call the residence listed with the car's registration and to inform local hospitals to be on the lookout for a young woman with a description supplied by one of the witnesses. This broadcast was put out to responding units and the dispatch center called Fred Murray's residence in Massachusetts and left a message. At 7:57 p.m., according to Grafton County Dispatch, Woodsville's Fire Rescue Pumper Truck arrived with the department's officers. They were holding a monthly meeting when they received a call about a car accident in Swiftwater.
cont. JO article
They first cleared the car of any leaking fluids. Woodsville Fire Chief Brad Kennedy said that it is standard procedure with any vehicle accident called in to 911 that fire rescue are dispatched autimatically. There is only one person authorized to turn around a fire department responding to a call-the fire chief.
Once it was ascertained that the driver of the vehicle was not at the scend, Haverhill Police Department, New Hampshire State Police, fire and EMS personnel along with several neighbors began a brief search of the area surrounding Route 112 and Bradley Hill Road.

JO Part VI
A local towing company was called in to remove the vehicle, which according to Williams is part of police policy to impound and store in locked facilities any and all evidence. Upon removal of the vehicle from the accident scene, Smith retrieved a Coca-Cola soda bottle with a strong odor of alcohol which was filed as evidence.
At 9:26 p.m., Smith was dispatched to Pike and left the area. Later that evening, at 11 p.m., Smith made a second attempt to phone the residence of Fred Murray, owner of the vehicle, listed on the Department of Motor Vehicle records. He left a second message that the Haverhill Police Department needed to speak with the car's owner.
About the same time, at 11 p.m., Cpl. Byron Charles and Officer Mac Cashin assisted Smith in the accident investigation as well as working on securing a search warrant for the black 1996 Saturn that was now impounded.
The following day on Feb 10, at 9:30 a.m., a search warrant was issued by Judge Timothy McKenna of Haverhill District Court to search the impounded black 1996 Saturn. Charles and Cashin then completed a search of the vehicle.
At approximately 1:30 p.m., a be-on-the-lookout (BOL) communique was issued throughout Vermont, New Hampshire and Massachusetts for Maura Murray.
At 3:30 p.m., Smith returned to duty and called Weymouth Police Department requesting they check the residence listed on the DMV information. They still had not heard from Fred Murray. Weymouth PD instead directed Smith to contact Laurie Murray's phone number.At 3:40 p.m., Smith spoke to Laurie Murray who informed him that the black Saturn belonged to her ex-husband Fred Murray but is driven by their daughter Maura. Laurie gave Smith the number to Maura's cell phone and to her dorm at the University of Massachusetts. Right after that conversation, Smith again tried Fred Murray's phone number and left another message. He also spoke with Hanson Police Department again at 3:51 p.m.
Smith called Maura Murray's sister, Kathleen Murray at 4:40 p.m. requesting a photo of Maura. Kathleen said she would email one to Haverhill Police Department.
At 6 p.m., Grafton County Dispatch was contacted by Fred Murray. And at 7 p.m., Smith called the University of Massachusetts (UM) campus security and requested that they check Maura Murray's dorm room.
Smith was able to speak to Fred Murray at 8 p.m. on Feb. 10. In the initial, official police statement, Fred Murray stated that his daughter, Maura, was depressed and he was fearful for her safety. He informed Smith that she had an accident in Hadley, MA on Feb.7, 2004, wrecking another vehicle of his and totaling thousands of dollar's worth of damage.
Murray told Smith that he hoped Maura wasn't doing the "old squaw walk" which Murray explained was something the two of them often joked about. The squaw walk referred to when it came time for the old Indians to die, they would walk off into the woods and die. Fred Murray requested that HPD call in the FBI, state police and a search began immediately for his daughter.
I will be right back, theres just one more section)....Anne JO article continued)
At 8.25 p.m., Haverhill Police called fish and game authorities to advise of them of a missing person situation and possible search as it had just become apparent that they may have an endangered/missing person.