Where is MAURA MURRAY

This may be my idea or someone else's. The answer may lie in tracking down Maura's "local-to-Amherst" boyfriend, if there was one. Several of us believe Maura's dorm room was not really livable. I once posted that it was packed up like a military person would be trained to do for a PCS --- permanent change of station. She was done with UMass. She was moving out. Either leaving UMass (she made it hard to return to her studies with her behavior the last week), moving into an apartment with a new boyfriend, leaving everything packed up for her U-Haul, or making it easier for those left behind to remove her things if, if, she was running away... or worse.

What if (normal for a college student) Maura had a new boyfriend, was planning on moving in with him, and on Thursday night at her job he called her to tell her he changed his mind!!???? This could point to another "last straw" for Maura. This is all speculation, but like I keep saying, with college-aged kids, so much is about relationships...

all speculation here.

WTF wrote:

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Wowzer whether anyone from the family will admit it or not and especially whether some of the “representatives” of the family here will say it or not, I’m sure the real family appreciated what you did.

This is definitely worth reposting.

White Wash wrote:

We're all sorry she hasn't been found must
admit for as much searching has been done
I just don't get it.
As you know with other cases in the area people
chat it up!
Some wild cards but usually a thread to follow
into a big ball of Shock! Yes it doesn't matter
how many or often growing up here it still shocks me when something horrible happens in our back yards.
This case amazes me to be honest.
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You're right WW we are all sorry that she hasn't been found. When talking to the locals I have never heard the negative things that a certain person has said the locals stated to her. I have only heard sympathy that she has not yet been found.
Since I've been accused of being the spokesperson for the citizens i will only say that I am also amazed and left scratching my head. I wonder if it was Maura's wishes that we didn't "get it".
A day doesn't go by that I don't wonder where the heck she went to so quickly.

WHITE WASH wrote:

Oh by the way I don't care about your
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I've noticed that, actually.

Harry wrote:

A young person's tragic disappearance should never have degenerated into an us versus them issue.

Harry, I totally agree with you. One of the problems is that many people have yet to define to others' satisfaction who is "us" and who is "them", and many people have also misunderstood those definitions when made. I am not pointing any fingers here, just making an observation.

Wowzer wrote:

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Firecat I know some of the things in this article are true. I also know that the people did more than you know trying to find her and then were trash talked for over 4 years.
How do I know this for a fact? Because I was one of the ones that searched the sides of the roads for any footprints in the snow for several miles in several directions when I learned a girl was missing. Why do you think I've been so defensive of the people and area here?
When someone walks into the woods they may not leave noticeable footprints on the road or side of road but they surely leave tracks going into the woods. Unfortunately I never found any tracks but I never stopped looking either. Even now when we drive the roads my eyes search the woods for any sign. Just habit now I guess.

I never said that nothing in the article was true. I'm grateful to you for looking for tracks, then and now--thank you.

There are several things, however, in the article, that other news articles and family members (also with first-hand recollection of some of the events) disagree with to this day. I'm sorry if it seemed that I was painting in broad strokes--that was not my intention.

I am specifically referring to many of the things said my Scarzina, actually, and I don't want anyone to read THAT as painting with a broad stroke. I am not "bashing" LE. I am not saying that NHLE is corrupt. I am saying only what I am saying: That Scarzina's account in this article differs greatly from Fred's, and also from the accounts as written in many of the other articles.

Again, I am grateful that you are local and in position to be boots-on-the-ground searching for traces of Maura on a regular basis. I never meant to convey otherwise, and I am sorry if you have ever gotten that impression from me.

whiston wrote:

hi all, thanks Browser for posting the article and showing what was done to find the saturn driver. 3-40 pm Laurie Murray gets a call from HPD.3-51Hanson PD gets a call from HPD.4-40 Kathleen gets a call fro HPD.Mr Murray calls HPD at 6pm.7pm HPDcalls umass to ask them to check Mauras room in Kennedy Hall.i assume that as soon as Laurie got the call she was on the phone to Mauras' sisters and trying to contact mr Murray.just presuming here but any one of Mauras family could have known that mrMurrays car was in NH by 3-40pm 0n feb 10 2004.what this means i dont know.just scratching my noggin .Mauras family knew 3 hours befor umass pd were called that something was wrong .take care philip

On thing it DOES seem to indicate to me, though, is the answer to your question of "who was first in Maura's room." It would be logical to guess from this timeline that it was in fact UMass police (though of course this is anecdotal evidence, so you can of course continue to question for first-hand evidence)

Was thinking about that last night after I turned off the computer--thanks for reminding me.

WHITE WASH wrote:

To my knowledge there was no wine purchased at the Liquor store!
Anyone have other information?
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Thanks, WW. So this wine would then have been previously purchased, making Sunday an accurate date.

Which means....what, then?

*that Maura was loading her car on Sunday, already preparing for a trip? Or did she just stash it there and it happened to be in the car the next night?(I think I remember Sharon saying Maura doesn't drink a lot of wine....but I could be hallucinating that)

*that Maura had someone else's leftover box of wine, say, from the party in the dorm on Saturday, and that's why it spilled on Monday night--because it was already an open box of wine?

That might make sense, actually. What if Maura was simply cleaning up from the party when this person saw her--and the hockey bag of beer was actually a hockey bag of beer CANS that she was taking out to recycling or refund?(do they do that in MA?) It might also mean, if that's true, that she had a bit more cash on hand than the $280, if MA deposits work on beer cans.....I know in NYC people collect cans for refunds.

If she's anything like many college students, her backpack is a regular appendage. I know she didn't carry a purse or a wallet, choosing instead to wrap her cash around her "plastic".

get real wrote:

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Where do you suppose that information came from then?
Are you suggesting that the author just made it up, out of the blue?

Certainly not. I have no idea where it came from, which was why I asked about it and said I had no idea where it came from or why it suddenly appeared.

Amherst = phony, potentially dangerous nutritional supplements/vitamins, steroids.

Who had a key to the dorm room?

White Wash wrote:

Just my PERSONAL opinion here the FBI BAILED on it!

It is my understanding that the FBI's role was limited to Amherst (which should, come to think of it, please and reassure a lot of people).

It is also my understanding that the FBI is not in the habit of, as you say, "bailing".

FireCat wrote:

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I know she didn't carry a purse or a wallet, choosing instead to wrap her cash around her "plastic".

If she didn't carry a purse or wallet do you know how she carried her ID?

Bill

By Maureen Fan and Amy Shipley
Washington Post Foreign Service
Wednesday, December 5, 2007; Page A01

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their effectiveness has not been conclusively established.

Amherst = phony, potentially dangerous nutritional supplements/vitamins, steroids.

Who had a key to the dorm room?

WTF wrote:

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If she didn't carry a purse or wallet do you know how she carried her ID?
Bill

I'm sorry, I had thought that was clear when I said "plastic." Driver's licenses and school IDs are made of plastic and/or laminated in plastic.

BELOW FROM: http://www.ergogenics.org/steroidkiller2.html

By Katie Huston
The Daily Collegian
January 31, 2006

The trial of a man charged with killing a University of Massachusetts student over a year ago has been continued to March at the request of the prosecution in the case.


Bryan R. Johnston, 24, of Westfield, shot and killed UMass student David E. Sullivan, then 22, on Dec. 7, 2004, police say.

Johnston faces charges of murder, armed burglary, possession of a large-capacity firearm and use of a firearm in the commission of a felony.

According to investigators, Johnston, who was attending Westfield State College at the time of the shooting, called Sullivan to hang out. After Sullivan refused, police believe that Johnston drove to Sullivan's apartment, where he entered unannounced at 12:20 a.m. and shot Sullivan six times in his bedroom.

Stephen Kubicki, Sullivan's roommate and a UMass student who was home when the shooting occurred, called 911. Upon their arrival minutes later, police found Sullivan lying in a pool of blood. He was pronounced dead at the scene.

The two men, childhood friends, grew up together in the Berkshires. They graduated together from Waconah Regional High School in Dalton in 2000.

The trial, originally scheduled for January, has been continued to March 20 at the prosecution's request because of a delay in the defense's provision of discovery materials to the state. The materials, including the results of psychiatric examinations, were needed for Dr. Michael Welner, the Commonwealth expert who will examine Johnston, to proceed.

Additionally, a key witness, Gareth Mello, is currently serving in the U.S. military in Iraq. Shortly after the shooting, Johnston called Mello to drive him home from the parking lot of the Aqua Vitae restaurant in Hadley after being detained for a short time in a police car. The two men worked together as security guards in Baystate Medical Center in Springfield.

According to Northwestern District Attorney Renee Steese, Mello's testimony could be crucial to both sides. Steese told Hampshire Superior Court Judge Mary-Lou Rup that she had contacted the military about having Mello sent home so he could be present at the trial.

Johnston has admitted to shooting Sullivan several times. His lawyer, Alexander Z. Nappan, is expected to argue that Johnston is not criminally responsible. Nappan claims Johnston was addicted to steroids and going through withdrawal at the time of the killing.

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REPEAT: Nappan claims Johnston was addicted to steroids and going through withdrawal at the time of the killing.

Amherst = performance enhancing drugs.

Who had a key to the dorm room?

Take a look at this. Read what products are recommended, virtually offered for sale, many at UMass.

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