Harry
Charleston, WV
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Interesting information from a home birthing service in Salem, Massachusetts: http://www.moondragon.org/obgyn/disorders/ano... If clomiphene alone is unsuccessful, Pergonal is added to bolster the attempts to ripen a follicle. Pergonal bypasses the natural hormone stimulation of the pituitary on the ovary. It applies stimulation directly to the ovary, and then, once a follicle grows to sufficient size, HCG is used as the final step to release the egg. As in GIFT? Remember GIFT?
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whiston
Cheshire, CT
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hi all i have always assumed that the nhsp did not take the knife from mrMurray because he was a sudpect at the time .I really dont like the idea that Maura Murray did not exist before Feb9 2004.i could see maybe the family of misssing person not saying where they worked or where they had classes.or where they had off campus clinicals.but not revealing anything i just dont get.do the police not want the Murrays to know what they have found about Mauras prior life.Lady Grey do you have list of the saturn contents could you ask Kathleen for it if you dont' and post it.Personally i think Maura left her prior life.whether she was calm and collected at the time, i dont know.whether Maura or just mr Murrays car made to NH. i dont' know if crime was commited.All the mixed up timelines and rporting by PD and also the non reporting by PD could help Maura stay hidden ,take care philip
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elsewherebriefly
Shallotte, NC
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ALL of the EXPERT CRIMINAL PROFILERS have determined that Maura was a VICTIM of FOUL PLAY and THE PERSON(S) RESPONSIBLE for Maura's disappearance HAS DONE IT BEFORE AND WILL DO IT AGAIN.
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White Wash
Lebanon, NH
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Gary Lindsay has printed exactly what was told to him by Fred. For me personally I picked to print what was taken from the orginal police report. For me personally this is what the court system will use as FACTS in my opinion. Facts used with be Dispatch logs they are back that are watched by the FCC. Now statements ect for me are PERSONAL views. Example, I spoke with the Mother of one of the young Men stabbed on Highland street. It was his apt. They removed and another guy who returned and smashed in a windown and busted through the apt door. After a struggle one was stabbed in the hand with a kitchen knife one in the side and back with a buck knife. A weapon was fired in the air to break it up! 3 fleed the apt! The 4 who lived there waited for police. One of the 3 who fleed return receiving HIS 3RD DWI. No one had a Bat not pipes! No large gang Fight as being spread by some! Count them 7 people involved! Personally for me this Mother was there with in a timely fashion of the break in! Does it mean what she knows as the same as her? No they are indiviuals is there usually a general series of facts of course. For me it comes to what can really be backed up. Quija wrote: I don't understand why the quotes from the award-winning and accepted-by-everyone Hanson Express Series, posted by Ben Franklyn, are now being regarded as possibly true, possibly not! It's starting to look like the new way of dealing with the "new-timers" here is to "Just Say No" to anything that's been written by Gary Lindsley (who I heard really was well informed), the Express Series, Journal Opinion for sure, the Union Leader, accident reports, Sheriff's logs,and all press releases by NH LE too. I feel like the slate has been wiped clean except for the persistence of several posters who are trying to nail down times and places from primary or else reliable sources. I don't know what's a fact anymore. The way things sound here, it is almost like what harry said in terms of Maura not even existing before she disappeared, if the public can't get a handle on the simplest of documented facts. Were all the documents adjusted after the fact? Who fed us information? WE NEED WEEPER TO POST AND REAFFIRM SOME OF THE MOST BASIC FACTS IN TERMS OF THE ATM, THE LIQUOR STORE, ETC. Please! If she had a local boyfriend that would be a really key issue --- it always seems to be so in a missing person's case... Why has there been not a word when Maura, a neat freak, had a dorm room that would be hard to imagine using? And harry, you have researched some incredible connections, but (speaking for myself) I'm having trouble putting them together. The red truck/pro life place isn't connected to the Governor? The pro life isn't connected to the water sources? The steroids are not connected to either? The chop shop (crush shop - Jet Star? in Haverhill -- isn't connected to any of this? Is the art theft angle separate? With all the connections you've found, can you tell us which of all possibilities strikes you as most likely? and can you explain it for us (the masses) in words of one syllable?(haha) P.S. Were those speed bumps (near the Vasi accident) there in 2004, I wonder?
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White Wash
Lebanon, NH
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You have comfirmed with NHSP? You have Fred's side of the story sorry for me does not make this a fact. Also I find the whole event not as it should be just my opinion here I find the old man should have been charged with concealing information! He should have called the police and turned it over himself. I find that Fred did not call NHSP and have them retrieve the knife obstruction of justice! Just how I feel about this you are entitled to yours! SOB FireCat wrote: <quoted text> I understand your concerns about the chain of evidence, White Wash. First of all, it hasn't been mentioned anywhere that I know of, what the specific circumstances of the knife transfer were (was it in a bag etc) Admittedly a knife evidence might not be able to be used in court, but it's not a "fruit of the poisoned tree" issue at all. First of all, Fred DID contact the state police when he came into possession of potential evidence. They wanted nothing to do with it. That's the only reason he had to mail it. Do you know for certain the reason NHSP would not accept the knife when Fred brought it? Secondly, even if the knife's chain of evidence couldn't be maintained all the way back to its origin (and my recollection is that the chain of evidence is only in effect ONCE IT HAS BEEN STARTED, meaning once it's been bagged and tagged as evidence) the primary goal is not to secure a conviction for a crime. Yes, that's a goal, if there was a crime, but the primary goal was, and remains, TO FIND MAURA. If something had the potential to lead to Maura's whereabouts, WHY DIDN'T THE POLICE ACCEPT IT? Chain of evidence procedures don't answer that question sufficiently.
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White Wash
Lebanon, NH
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I'm sorry I missed you answering mine question. How it this game is played with the FIT! Ask and Never Answer! D O N E with the FIT! SOB FireCat wrote: SPEAKING OF QUESTIONS NOT BEING ANSWERED SUFFICIENTLY (or at all) White Wash, do you know for a fact that there was DNA testing done on the airbag(s) of the Saturn, and that Maura's DNA was found?
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White Wash
Lebanon, NH
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Has been how many years? Do we have time frame on the striking again? Don't serial killers usually leave a marking of some sort? elsewherebriefly wrote: ALL of the EXPERT CRIMINAL PROFILERS have determined that Maura was a VICTIM of FOUL PLAY and THE PERSON(S) RESPONSIBLE for Maura's disappearance HAS DONE IT BEFORE AND WILL DO IT AGAIN.
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White Wash
Lebanon, NH
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According to FireCat Lady Gray did post them and has seen them! Not sure why we can't? Not sure why we can have information on Maura's prior life like her large credit card debt. Ect all things that don't matter Wiston! No Need for us to know what a VERY HAPPY WELL ROUNDED YOUNG LADY just UP'S AND LEAVES A PERFECTLY GREAT LIFE! Nothing of importance here! whiston wrote: hi all i have always assumed that the nhsp did not take the knife from mrMurray because he was a sudpect at the time .I really dont like the idea that Maura Murray did not exist before Feb9 2004.i could see maybe the family of misssing person not saying where they worked or where they had classes.or where they had off campus clinicals.but not revealing anything i just dont get.do the police not want the Murrays to know what they have found about Mauras prior life.Lady Grey do you have list of the saturn contents could you ask Kathleen for it if you dont' and post it.Personally i think Maura left her prior life.whether she was calm and collected at the time, i dont know.whether Maura or just mr Murrays car made to NH. i dont' know if crime was commited.All the mixed up timelines and rporting by PD and also the non reporting by PD could help Maura stay hidden ,take care philip
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Joined: Jun 16, 2008
Comments: 472
Södertälje, Sweden
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White Wash wrote: According to FireCat Lady Gray did post them and has seen them! Not sure why we can't? Not sure why we can have information on Maura's prior life like her large credit card debt. Ect all things that don't matter Wiston! No Need for us to know what a VERY HAPPY WELL ROUNDED YOUNG LADY just UP'S AND LEAVES A PERFECTLY GREAT LIFE! Nothing of importance here! <quoted text> Hello WhiteWash & all, In your post above you´re mentioning Maura´s supposed credit card debts. I have never seen that mentioned ever before. Please, tell us more about this, sources, etc, etc. Can this be substantiated? Thanks!
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elsewherebriefly
Shallotte, NC
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White Wash wrote: Has been how many years? Do we have time frame on the striking again? Don't serial killers usually leave a marking of some sort? <quoted text> lol.........why in the hell are you asking me? I'm not an EXPERT CRIMINAL PROFILER nor am I ignorant or arrogant enough to blatantly disregard their findings.
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White Wash
Lebanon, NH
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The Murrays disregarded it didn't they? elsewherebriefly wrote: <quoted text> lol.........why in the hell are you asking me? I'm not an EXPERT CRIMINAL PROFILER nor am I ignorant or arrogant enough to blatantly disregard their findings.
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White Wash
Lebanon, NH
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I'm sure Lady Gray and FireCat probably know all about this. Certain other family issues huh. I can not and will not reveal my source but since I was a college student once tend to believe most do have some large debts on plastic. Maybe Weeper will stop by and give the 411 on past history I'm 100% he has it. Eurobserver wrote: <quoted text> Hello WhiteWash & all, In your post above you´re mentioning Maura´s supposed credit card debts. I have never seen that mentioned ever before. Please, tell us more about this, sources, etc, etc. Can this be substantiated? Thanks!
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White Wash
Lebanon, NH
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Just a couple of points I'd to point out. In the last weeks we have seen from our LOCAL SCUM BAGS the following 1.Returning to the place of Crime. 2.Speaking via a phone to prisoner. 3.Talking to the Local Press. So in these two very recent events what appears to be a running theme? Most Criminals are STUPID! Now in Maura's case there really doesn't seem to be any of the above events present. So with this said again we are seeking ONE PERSON who has been smart enough to keep their mouth shut! Nor do I feel it was a local. Just some thoughts.
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WTF
Bristol, CT
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elsewherebriefly wrote: ALL of the EXPERT CRIMINAL PROFILERS have determined that Maura was a VICTIM of FOUL PLAY and THE PERSON(S) RESPONSIBLE for Maura's disappearance HAS DONE IT BEFORE AND WILL DO IT AGAIN. You know, the more I think about this statement, the more perplexed I get. They, the EXPERT CRIMINAL PROFILERS based this on exactly what? There is no Maura, no blood, no tissue, and no weapon, no crime scene. There is an abundance of evidence that she had intentions to get out of Dodge at least for a while and could possibly have been suicidal and was likely drinking. I have asked before and was ignored but I will ask again. The statement “HAS DONE IT BEFORE AND WILL DO IT AGAIN” implies that they have evidence of this perpetrators’ prior or post actions. I will ask again, WHAT OTHER CASE(S) ARE THESE CRIMINAL PROFILERS TYING INTO MAURA’S DISAPPEARANCE? They are not LE, they are scientists and as such they should open their methods to scrutiny by others to check their validity as all legitimate scientists are willing to do, so they should be willing to tell that information. I will also ask about the word ALL. How Many? ALL one or have there been more than one? Do they all agree? Bill
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white wash
Lebanon, NH
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Great now I'm pondering and perplexed! If you trace back the main source of our information where does it come from? WTF wrote: <quoted text> You know, the more I think about this statement, the more perplexed I get. They, the EXPERT CRIMINAL PROFILERS based this on exactly what? There is no Maura, no blood, no tissue, and no weapon, no crime scene. There is an abundance of evidence that she had intentions to get out of Dodge at least for a while and could possibly have been suicidal and was likely drinking. I have asked before and was ignored but I will ask again. The statement “HAS DONE IT BEFORE AND WILL DO IT AGAIN” implies that they have evidence of this perpetrators’ prior or post actions. I will ask again, WHAT OTHER CASE(S) ARE THESE CRIMINAL PROFILERS TYING INTO MAURA’S DISAPPEARANCE? They are not LE, they are scientists and as such they should open their methods to scrutiny by others to check their validity as all legitimate scientists are willing to do, so they should be willing to tell that information. I will also ask about the word ALL. How Many? ALL one or have there been more than one? Do they all agree? Bill
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FireCat
United States
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White Wash wrote: I'm sorry I missed you answering mine question. How it this game is played with the FIT! Ask and Never Answer! D O N E with the FIT! SOB <quoted text> You say scroll on by and yet you never do... I'm sorry, White Wash, I missed the question you must have asked me. If it was did I ever see the inventory list, I already answered that I have not seen the original inventory list; I have seen what the rest of the public has seen, which was a list typed onto a forum. Was there another question directed at me? I'm afraid I must have missed it. I'd be happy to answer it if I knew what it was.
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elsewherebriefly
Shallotte, NC
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Hey look, I obvioulsy woke up on the wrong side of the bed. My initial sources came from Dr. Godwin in 2004 while he was reviewing the facts of Brianna Maitland's case. Numerous other expert criminal profilers have come to the similar conclusions about Maura meeting with foul play over the past several years. I have made attempts to link other cases to Maura's - Dr. Godwin has linked (2) cases but has not made his findings public - but I am not educated enough in profiling, foresnics, and psychology to know exactly what to look for. There are just too many missing persons and unsolved homicides in NH/VT/ME/MA. In the late Weeper confirmed the statement, "The person(s) responsible for Maura's disappearance has done it before and will do it again". I have made it a rule to NEVER to BLAME THE VICTIM and to always regard a missing person as a homicide investigation until they are found alive and well. These simple rules are a result of reviewing thousands of missing persons and unsolved homicide cases throughout the nation as well as the testimonials of families whom have to suffer years of torment and anquish. However, Maura and her family contributed to this mindset most of all.
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Quija
Concord, MA
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elsewherebriefly wrote: ... I have made attempts to link other cases to Maura's - Dr. Godwin has linked (2) cases but has not made his findings public...*******Weeper confirmed the statement, "The person(s) responsible for Maura's disappearance has done it before and will do it again".********. A friend emailed me this today. It's from the MMM forum and the last sentence (I'll stick asterisks around it) makes it seem that recently it's changed from being DEFINITELY a homicide in the minds of the Team TO A POSSIBILITY. What Happened to Brooke Wilberger and Maura Murray? By DONNA HUNTER Aug. 14, 2008 — Four years after the disappearance of two young coeds, their families... But Murray's relentless pursuit for answers caught the attention of Tom Shamshak, a former police chief and member of a group of private investigators who offer pro bono help in situations that capture their interest. Shamshak and his colleagues looked at the case with a fresh set of eyes. Based on their investigation, Shamshak said, "It appears, just based on what I have reviewed with the other investigators from New Hampshire, Maine and Vermont that are part of the team, that this is something beyond a mere missing persons case.*********Something ominous could have happened here."********** Copyright © 2008 ABC News Internet Ventures
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white wash
Lebanon, NH
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Key Word is COULD have. Has anymore seen anything more from the PI's? Quija wrote: <quoted text> A friend emailed me this today. It's from the MMM forum and the last sentence (I'll stick asterisks around it) makes it seem that recently it's changed from being DEFINITELY a homicide in the minds of the Team TO A POSSIBILITY. What Happened to Brooke Wilberger and Maura Murray? By DONNA HUNTER Aug. 14, 2008 — Four years after the disappearance of two young coeds, their families... But Murray's relentless pursuit for answers caught the attention of Tom Shamshak, a former police chief and member of a group of private investigators who offer pro bono help in situations that capture their interest. Shamshak and his colleagues looked at the case with a fresh set of eyes. Based on their investigation, Shamshak said, "It appears, just based on what I have reviewed with the other investigators from New Hampshire, Maine and Vermont that are part of the team, that this is something beyond a mere missing persons case.*********Something ominous could have happened here."********** Copyright © 2008 ABC News Internet Ventures
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get real
Summerville, SC
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key words "could have"
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