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claysoup

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Jun 3, 2008
 
Sorry, I forgot to specify that CUC makes chemicals that are used in both swimming pools and water treatment facilities.
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#754
Jun 4, 2008
 
I think that what Claysoup had to say ought to be forwarded to Maurice Godwin. I wonder what he might have to say about it in terms of distance. I'm not laughing as I have heard these things too and a friend reported a van of people (won't name race), near a water plant. It turned out they were up to no good and the story gets too long for here.

Claysoup, it really scares me what kind of people we have become with stem cell, chemical experiments and so on.......

Still waiting to hear about the feet they've found in running shoes near Vancouver. It's not unusual for body parts to break away in the water, the tennis shoe making it float. All four feet are the right foot. Two of them are size 12, no report on the latest detail. Rumors there too about the victims being athletic for experimental insanity. Heaven help us all.
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#755
Jun 4, 2008
 
Regarding the above posts, I am in sitting here in awe. Clay soup. You amaze me with you posts. That is some research.
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#756
Jun 4, 2008
 
OH MY, In one of your past posts, you state that they did not harm Maura right away. Could she have been alive in 2006?
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Jun 4, 2008
 
just me wrote:
<quoted text> The main thing I think is the implication that it may have already been determined a crime scene from the start and EMT not allowed near......
The light was on that night down at the weathered barn and you could see somewhat/depending from the moon once your eyes adjust. But those vehicles had their lights on too, you bet and the flashers were also going. That "hairpin" turn is really not that bad and people gathered round, towed the car, etc. The CW says he didn't notice anything, why.... Two days later, he's finally questioned, he still says, nope, nothing, sleeping, was at home, was driving home.......didn't notice any 'accident' commotion. But to answer your question it was odd that they would not let EMT near the "crime scene"
Sorry just me but you haven't answered my question yet. I asked for what reason would they approach an empty car.
We differ in opinion here because it doesn't seem odd at all to send the ambulane, EMT's or Medical Rescue away from the car if there was no one around the car that needed medical attention.
I have heard several times before on my scanner the ambulance being sent back from an accident where either the person refuses medical help or there is no one around the vehicle. Again I ask why would this be odd????
For what's it's worth (and that is apparently not much) I've had an accident happen near the front of my house one winter and with the house buttoned up for the winter, shades drawn and the TV on I never saw the lights or heard any commotion.
Also that "hairpin" turn can be very bad in the winter if you don't know the road or are going even a little too fast. Do you travel RT 112 often in the winter Just Me???
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Jun 4, 2008
 
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Sorry just me but you haven't answered my question yet. I asked for what reason would they approach an empty car.
We differ in opinion here because it doesn't seem odd at all to send the ambulane, EMT's or Medical Rescue away from the car if there was no one around the car that needed medical attention.
I have heard several times before on my scanner the ambulance being sent back from an accident where either the person refuses medical help or there is no one around the vehicle. Again I ask why would this be odd????
For what's it's worth (and that is apparently not much) I've had an accident happen near the front of my house one winter and with the house buttoned up for the winter, shades drawn and the TV on I never saw the lights or heard any commotion.
Also that "hairpin" turn can be very bad in the winter if you don't know the road or are going even a little too fast. Do you travel RT 112 often in the winter Just Me???
You are absolutely correct. There is nothing odd about this at all. If there was no medical emergency why would you want a group of people stomping around at the scene of the vehicle? the last spot that Maura was seen? Officer Smith was looking for footprints and trying to conduct a search. He said he saw no footprints going off into the woods by the vehicle.

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#759
Jun 4, 2008
 
just me wrote:
One time on the the MM site I was asking about the person that said Maura had asked for them to call AAA for her,~ and that was just prior to the Saturn getting "stuck" by the weathered barn. I seemed to be the only other person who saw that, heaven only knows where. Well, Helena said Linda, I read that too and cannot find it anywhere now. Did anyone else see this?
I also recall this, Paris, but I can't remember where either...if on the old forum, early on, or if in the media. My recall, which may be incorrect, is that a "couple" stopped and Maura asked them to call AAA for her.
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Jun 4, 2008
 
JerryCanDo wrote:
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You are absolutely correct. There is nothing odd about this at all. If there was no medical emergency why would you want a group of people stomping around at the scene of the vehicle? the last spot that Maura was seen? Officer Smith was looking for footprints and trying to conduct a search. He said he saw no footprints going off into the woods by the vehicle.
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I think it's odd to come upon the scene of an alleged 'accident' and be told not to worry when the officer is panicking, looking for the girl with the rag in her tailpipe, after seeing the spider crack, being told she both was/wasn't intoxicated and searching for Maura for 15 or so minutes. There's a difference too in turning EMT away and not allowing them near the vehicle, so come on now. Who stayed with the car? Why lie to parents, family next day about the facts as you knew them the night before. Why put out the BOL at all if you were so unconcerned with possible head trama....endangered female on foot.

I've heard from one bystander of many who stayed and tried to find Maura that night, they didn't try and clear them out.
Once in my area late night, one of the twins was hit and killed by a snowmobiler. I ran home for a blanket and stayed with Stacy until the helicopter came. You bet the people all buttoned up in there homes didn't know a thing about this horrible accident but the people on the roads did and they were also in the way. The CW clocked at 7 and it takes a half an hour to get home. I don't know just how late into the night it went with concerned citizens looking but CW would have driven by so there!
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Jun 4, 2008
 
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Also that "hairpin" turn can be very bad in the winter if you don't know the road or are going even a little too fast. Do you travel RT 112 often in the winter Just Me???
No, I have never been on RT 112 in winter and can't imagine how bad the frost heaves are either. Butch said from where he sat he could see maybe 5 cars go by but could not make them out, or if they even stopped, too dark for him he said.....this was before police I hope and before the 3 separate cars stopped to get out and help find 'Maura'. Then again Butch and Cecil did drive off searching, didn't they.
But the flashers were going on Maura's Saturn and an officer no doubt had perhaps his lights flashing as well, blocking traffic, warning motorists somehow.

I'm not sure if these EMT's were the same ones down Bunga road (bunga hill rd). Officer Monahan asked this lady who was walking if she saw anyone walking and Robinsonordway mentioned the EMTs turning on her road. Why? That's down by the store where when the police went by at 7:30 and so then did that red truck rush off in the area of the 'accident'.
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#762
Jun 4, 2008
 
Sooz wrote:
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I also recall this, Paris, but I can't remember where either...if on the old forum, early on, or if in the media. My recall, which may be incorrect, is that a "couple" stopped and Maura asked them to call AAA for her.
Hi Sooz, it would be so great if you could try and find that info for Helena, she has not been able to find it since. She vows she read this in an early report and so when I came along and said it she was hopeful we might find it.
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Jun 4, 2008
 
just me wrote:
<quoted text>No, I have never been on RT 112 in winter and can't imagine how bad the frost heaves are either. Butch said from where he sat he could see maybe 5 cars go by but could not make them out, or if they even stopped, too dark for him he said.....this was before police I hope and before the 3 separate cars stopped to get out and help find 'Maura'. Then again Butch and Cecil did drive off searching, didn't they.
But the flashers were going on Maura's Saturn and an officer no doubt had perhaps his lights flashing as well, blocking traffic, warning motorists somehow.
I'm not sure if these EMT's were the same ones down Bunga road (bunga hill rd). Officer Monahan asked this lady who was walking if she saw anyone walking and Robinsonordway mentioned the EMTs turning on her road. Why? That's down by the store where when the police went by at 7:30 and so then did that red truck rush off in the area of the 'accident'.
This is the first I've heard about three separate cars stopping and searching for Maura that night.
Again I will say the EMT's were most likely turned back because there was no reason for them to continue. There was no victim, no medical help needed! It is common for this to happen. Nothing odd about it at all.
It sounds like you have all the answers so you sure don't need to hear my ideas or theories.
After all I just live here and made a special trip along the river yesterday after it was talked about here. I will say that Sophie is right. There is a very steep bank along the river until you get down to the second camp.
Good luck with your no it all attitude. Maybe if some take their blinders off they just might find some new and interesting theories and ideas instead of just dismissing them because it's different from their ideas.
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just me wrote:
<quoted text>I think it's odd to come upon the scene of an alleged 'accident' and be told not to worry when the officer is panicking, looking for the girl with the rag in her tailpipe, after seeing the spider crack, being told she both was/wasn't intoxicated and searching for Maura for 15 or so minutes. There's a difference too in turning EMT away and not allowing them near the vehicle, so come on now. Who stayed with the car? Why lie to parents, family next day about the facts as you knew them the night before. Why put out the BOL at all if you were so unconcerned with possible head trama....endangered female on foot.
I've heard from one bystander of many who stayed and tried to find Maura that night, they didn't try and clear them out.
Once in my area late night, one of the twins was hit and killed by a snowmobiler. I ran home for a blanket and stayed with Stacy until the helicopter came. You bet the people all buttoned up in there homes didn't know a thing about this horrible accident but the people on the roads did and they were also in the way. The CW clocked at 7 and it takes a half an hour to get home. I don't know just how late into the night it went with concerned citizens looking but CW would have driven by so there!
ďso there!Ē? What, are you in kindergarten?

Regardless of your snappy come back.

The 15 minute search appears to be a falsehood. The officer and fire department was in the area for a considerable period of time. According to the site and the dispatch log Officer Smith stayed until 9:26 almost 2 hours and a Woodsville engine tank stayed until 8:49. I suppose that they were all sitting around drinking coffee but some might have been looking for her and maybe others were watching the car?? I guess you can put any spin on it you want because this certainly sounds suspicious to me.

The officer was panicking? First I heard of that. Professional emergency workers rarely ďpanicĒ. This is because they know something that most non-professionals donítí know. That itís their emergency, not your emergency. If you become part of the emergency and you panic you become useless. Turning EMTís away may mean that they are not needed because it is believed that the person is no longer in the area. Holding them on scene may mean you donít know if the person is in the area. Either way is certainly acceptable practice since they donít really have a crystal ball to know exactly what has happened. Keeping them from an accident scene is not rare. Also keeping vehicles, especially diesel vehicles away from a scene where they might want to use dogs, if they are available, is a basic rule. Smith may have been thinking towards that.

I have seen the pictures about the star on the windshield. It doesnít look like a head impact to me. I believe it was said that no hair or blood was seen inside on the starring of the windshield. No report by SBD that she had facial or head injuries that he saw. There is no reason to believe she had head trauma. The endangered female BOL was I thought at least 12 hours later not related to the accident but to not knowing where she was then. About the police lies. The only people I read that from is the family. Not saying it didnít happen but I sure donít know and they have a vested interest in trying to show the police in a bad light.

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JerryCanDo wrote:
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ďso there!Ē? What, are you in kindergarten?
Regardless of your snappy come back.
The 15 minute search appears to be a falsehood. The officer and fire department was in the area for a considerable period of time. According to the site and the dispatch log Officer Smith stayed until 9:26 almost 2 hours and a Woodsville engine tank stayed until 8:49. I suppose that they were all sitting around drinking coffee but some might have been looking for her and maybe others were watching the car?? I guess you can put any spin on it you want because this certainly sounds suspicious to me.
The officer was panicking? First I heard of that. Professional emergency workers rarely ďpanicĒ. This is because they know something that most non-professionals donítí know. That itís their emergency, not your emergency. If you become part of the emergency and you panic you become useless. Turning EMTís away may mean that they are not needed because it is believed that the person is no longer in the area. Holding them on scene may mean you donít know if the person is in the area. Either way is certainly acceptable practice since they donít really have a crystal ball to know exactly what has happened. Keeping them from an accident scene is not rare. Also keeping vehicles, especially diesel vehicles away from a scene where they might want to use dogs, if they are available, is a basic rule. Smith may have been thinking towards that.
I have seen the pictures about the star on the windshield. It doesnít look like a head impact to me. I believe it was said that no hair or blood was seen inside on the starring of the windshield. No report by SBD that she had facial or head injuries that he saw. There is no reason to believe she had head trauma. The endangered female BOL was I thought at least 12 hours later not related to the accident but to not knowing where she was then. About the police lies. The only people I read that from is the family. Not saying it didnít happen but I sure donít know and they have a vested interest in trying to show the police in a bad light.
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I caught that snide remark of "so there" too J. I guess she/he put me right in my place huh and that's where I will stay so I won't be further insulted. Jeesh! No wonder they don't have more locals helping. They act like we are a bunch of idiots.
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Jun 4, 2008
 
I'm sorry for saying so there if it seemed ruid to you. I should have said "so there you have it", that's more how I was feeling because of people thinking CW could not have known there was trouble that night. And also because of being challenged to explain the answer for Wowzer about EMT not being ALLOWED near the Saturn. I'm not a know it all. I'm a keeping track so I can know it all wannabe for Maura's sake. I change my mind as soon as I see I'm wrong but I've spent alot of time on this. Alot of locals are helping, how else would I know about the 3 different cars stopping to help out on that night Feb 9th? A local told me how much they care and that they truely want to help.

I wish I could express myself better for ya and not come across like a know it all, sorry.
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Jun 4, 2008
 
Mr and Mrs W-Man said they had seen the 'girl'just 1-2 minutes before police came. After Cecil Smith saw the rag he rushed to the W-Mans house to ask them "where is the girl from the accident....the one with the rag in her tailpipe".....They said they had just seen her and so that's that. Some of this has to stay quiet out of respect for these people who did nothing to deserve any disruption in the quality of their lives, privacy, etc.

Try to look at anything I might add as more to know about all this. You don't have to understand my style or even like me, but at least be nice.
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#768
Jun 4, 2008
 
When you post names and information to a public forum on the internet for anyone in the world to see, there's no keeping it private.
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Jun 4, 2008
 
bacon wrote:
When you post names and information to a public forum on the internet for anyone in the world to see, there's no keeping it private.
Right and I try not to use any names, especially the names that were never in the news
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Jun 4, 2008
 
JerryCanDo, when CS was done making notes and after he talked with SBD about what the SBD saw, they went out for approximately 15 minutes to look for 'Maura'. This was just an initial search, nothing official. CS went in his police cruiser and SBD went in his 4x4.
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sh*t - we're all touchy as hell today, including me. I wanted to ask you, Just Me, who I like and find reasonable, kind and funny (and people take her words the wrong way sometimes --- but she means them the right way): You're friends with sophiebean and ladygray? Do you get the sense they're sorta trying to control this forum too? It's good when they correct the wrong facts, but sometimes they almost make me regret having Maura's disappearance "under my skin. They sometimes lash out at posters here. I hope they don't shift this forum into mostly all clones of their thrinking. What do you think, Just Me? You've always been good at mediating.
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Jun 4, 2008
 
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I caught that snide remark of "so there" too J. I guess she/he put me right in my place huh and that's where I will stay so I won't be further insulted. Jeesh! No wonder they don't have more locals helping. They act like we are a bunch of idiots.
Wowzer, I am so sorry for sounding this way to you. You live there, I don't, I know that, honest. Quija talked of the areas they thought were worth looking at, I agreed too and was enthusiastic all day long even though I had my hopes up that Maura could be alive somewhere near that area. I'm not stuck in one scenerio /ever/ because there are so many possible/hard to explain things that could have happened. I wonder if someone could post Weepers findings about the damage to the Saturn as opposed to the position of the car and the way it was found in the snow and ice. Many comment on two accidents, I'd like to hear more about what anyone may have heard in more detail. SBD said Maura's hair was down, that she looked different. He said that to Kathleen, Maura's sister who had an opportunity to ask him a couple days later what he could recall from the 9th.
People thought her hair may have come down from the airbags going off. For those who don't know, Maura almost always wore her hair in a bun.

And as for the lies, hopefully this will help. Before calling family or owner of the car they have impounded, they put out a BOL for the person who was said to be driving that car. The one they looked for the night before. Then A call comes in to Freds answering machine around 3:30 the next day, he doesn't find out until later. Police also call other family members like Maura's brother who begs them to start looking for her. Police told them he would have to report her missing in MA, so frustrating that must have been. Then Sharon, Billy arrive in NH. They go to police. Sharon is told she won't have to take notes, she will be given a record of this meeting. She is then told that Fred was thought to be driving that car, that they didn't know it was Maura, etc. There was talk about how snowmobilers just leave their cars and/or that drunk drivers might just leave them as well. How can this be right when they know what they tried to do as soon as the call came in about the 'accident'? How can this be appropriate or profesional to downplay the missing and possibly endangered Maura? Sharon by the way was told that she could not have any notes, the police would be the only ones. Not very truthful, not very friendly and I don't know but it just doesn't seem right. I have heard so many good things about police there and they really do have alot on their plate. Maybe if they would just acknowledge the lack of facts presented to family, the family would feel better about things. Communication is key.
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