Where is MAURA MURRAY

Somewhere I have an a print article that states in fact LE can and have traced Calling Cards.
Is not an easy task but there is information
available to do so.

I would also like to make note we do not have the police report so in deed there realy is zero
proof that LE did not indeed speak with the Red Cross in regards to that call to Bill.

Again there are records from HPD that both
air bags where deployed at the accident.

FireCat wrote:

Hi new folks!
One thing I want to dispel is that the call made from a calling card CANNOT BE DEFINITIVELY TRACED TO THE RED CROSS. That is an error made by police. They were able to trace it to a calling card, but without the pin number on the calling card (for which one would obviously need the calling card) they can't trace the call any further back than that.
Ashley, they don't know for a fact she hit her head on the windshield. That's a guess. The windshield damage WAS from the inside, though. Apparently sometimes the airbag itself does that, as it deploys with a whole lotta force to do its job so rapidly. Or it could have been her arm....a watch....who knows what else.....but they did determine that the damage came from inside.
As for what size object, that's totally something I can't answer. Physics not my strong point, by a long shot. But that's a good couple of questions. It's been wondered, here and elsewhere, if she'd hit her head wouldn't there be hair or skin or traces of blood or something.....and we don't know the answer to that.
Glad to see new people still finding out about Maura and being drawn to her, and caring enough to ask questions. She has a way of doing that, doesn't she?

Exactly!

Benjamin Franklyne wrote:

"she is a young woman who lied."
As we all do -(and agreeing with you as an echo) fundamentally everyone deserves the protection of justice and the interest of the public in seeking justice when harmed, no matter how "sinful".
Even if the victim only lied once in her whole life: telling grandma that her Thanksgiving dinner of "Tofurkey" was "delicious" with "soyberry" sauce and Metamucil stuffing - to as large as you can guess. Even if she drank like a sailor - she deserves justice. Even if she [Insert Outrageous Crime Here and repeat]- after all - a person under arrest will go to the hospital first before going to jail.

Anyone else notice this report states
skid marks?

WTF-the-original wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/11/25/grace.col...
Bill

Greetings fellow concerned citizens and friends and family of Maura. I began like a good do-bee to read the whole blog, however my anxiety levels started going through the roof, I managed to make it to page 30 and had to quit before I had a melt down.
I will state that my view is that Maura was not at the scene of the alleged accident at the Weatherbarn. I have been over every inch of the road 112 on google earth, and with three cylinders running I cannot imagine climbing the beaver damm area at nearly 2000 feet, at night, in the winter, Maura had little experience driving in winter. Therefore the chances of Maura taking that road to Woodstock in my estimation are negligible. Nothing in the world would have made me venture through the white mountains at night in winter especially while I might be in an agitated state. Therefore, it is my humble opinion that someone else drove Maura's car to where it was found. Where Maura was exactly when someone commondeered her car is a mystery. There is a possiblility that her gas tank was full, as per photo on MMM. The towel in the tail pipe could have only been placed there to warn on coming traffic, a towel shoved up a tail pipe as far as a broom will go either blows the towel out or stall the car, it is impossible to commit suicide in this fashion. Also, Maura being a honors chemical engineering student (previous to nursing) would have known that shoving a towel in the tail pipe would not be a method to commit suicide. Also, Sharon R. gave Maura an emergency road side kit which was in the back of her car. A man was reported being seen by Faith Westman at the back of the car by the trunk.
I find the story a little fantastic about the confession of CM's brother, in that he would neglect to tell where Maura was buried or how they disposed of her body.
Also, if he is the culprit that hurt Maura that would not explain the behavior of law enforcement and the SBD and the CW, why the need for lies and witholding information.
The school bus driver backed his bus up the driveway to his house for the very first time as reported by a neighbour. The SBD alleges he went to the house, advised his wife and mother of the accident. However the neighbour states that after parking his bus the SBD stayed on his bus for a "long time".
Allegedly the SBD had trouble getting through to the Haverhill 911, so he called Hanover 911 or the Hanover police, the Hanover 911 called Haverhill 911 and advised that SBD had reported accident this is at 1943, as per sherriff's report. At 1943 Haverhill 911 calls the SBD, he is not in, his wife answers the phone, and advises that her husband saw the accident and that
the girl was gone and she did not know where.(paraphrased) re: 911 reports.
Why did his wife not give the phone to SBD as he was parked just outside the door near the garage?
Why did she say he saw the accident, why did she say that the girl was gone when the girl (allegedly Maura) was seen one minute before the police arrived which is 1945. The person at the accident scene was not gone.
The clincher is, SBD states that when he finally got through to 911 and went outside the police had already arrived. However this cannot be the sequence of events, as the time of arrival of Sgt. Smith is stated as 1946. Where was the SBD?!
What the SBD says he did, the neighbour's statement and the call from the 911 Haverhill do
not jive with his version of events.

Then there is the confusion with the CW's statements, and his later reports of seeing the youth, whether he mixed up the days or not, given the temperature was freezing, at night, at 800ft. of elevation that a youth is ducking from tree to tree would have been memorable, and that he failed to report this to the authorities or to those assisting with finding Maura seems highly suspect. Also his ETA home would have been near the time that Faith Westman reported the accident.
The fact that he never went to the police, and that he lives in close proximity to the accident scene and the school bus driver make his story iffy. Allegedly he feel asleep watching TV, yet he missed on the hubbub police, EMS, Fire, Tow truck....not believeable! When I read the story in the new re: reported siting of a youth three months after Maura went missing, I said to myself, if he lives anywhere near the accident scene or if he knows the SBD, I'll be a monkey's uncle. Well he lives a golf swing away and his aquainted with the SBD.

Why has not a grand jury been called to investigate this matter as the police investigation is highly suspect of trying to hide something or complete incompetence.
excuse the long post
take care one and all, and a very happy thanksgiving to my concerned citizens to the South..

Now whether the alleged culprit CM knows CW or the SBD is not know to me either.
Incidentially, where is the site where CM gets his cars crushed, have the police searched the site where CM might have his cars crushed? Or is this whole idea hog-wash?
The first police officer on the sceen advises 36 hours later to the family that he did not know Maura was missing, he failed to notify Fred Murray that his car had been in an accident and he failed to issue a BOL in a time fashion, also he did not conduct a proper search. Why has not law enforcement or the Attorney General called for an internal reveiw of the police at the scene of the accident and for the search of Maura?

The SBD and SGT. Smith are aquainted.
Whether sgt. Smith is aqainted with the CW is not known to me.

p.s. white wash, the article states skidded off the road, the article says nothing of skid marks.
what is interesting in this article, is that the SBD states that Maura got out of the drivers door, as the car was in the westbound lane facing eastbound, and if Maura got out of the car on the divers side, then there should have been footprints, the snow was high to the mailboxes.
How could there have been no footprints, the SBD states that Maura looked over the damage to the car, so she had to walk to the front or the back, but if there were no snow prints the driver had to exit the car from the passengers side. Sharon R. Stated that she could see the imprint of the door opened, did she see footprints.

p.s.s. sorry everyone that the above post are out of sequence however the number of words one can post at a time and the timing of the posts messed this up a bit, but no matter...

Happy Thanksgiving, especially to the Murray family and to Maura's loved ones, Maura is not forgotten and no one is giving up to bring her home...keep the faith...even if this is the fourth year I write the same thing

Peripeteia, It is great to see you and hear your posts. You were always so good at consolidating things. This is an unmoderated site where obviously anything goes! It can be a tough group at times. Thanks again for your clear voice.

White Wash wrote:

Somewhere I have an a print article that states in fact LE can and have traced Calling Cards.
Is not an easy task but there is information
available to do so.
I would also like to make note we do not have the police report so in deed there realy is zero
proof that LE did not indeed speak with the Red Cross in regards to that call to Bill.
Again there are records from HPD that both
air bags where deployed at the accident.
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There are a number of inconsistencies among records, some of which originate with the police. Maura's family got the information from AT&T that the calling card could not be traced.

The police has in fact made some errors, White Wash. Some of them are seemingly utterly minor (saying that there's no Canton or Kenton in Ohio, etc) but some of them are more glaring.

You can accept that or not, but it remains the truth.

The accident report, for instance, remains very incomplete and troubling in what it does and does not reveal. For new readers, that info can be found at http://www.mauramurraymissing.com where there's a lot of info and links to news articles.

White Wash, I also feel it's useful to remind you that not everything we read in the newspapers is true. I know of course you're more likely to trust it, because you work for a newspaper, but the truth of the matter is, people make errors. Even editors.

"Dewey Wins" anyone?

whiston wrote:

hi all ,welcome new people .Anyone what food was found in the car .Are they saying energy bars etc. or cans of food .take care philip

Judging by the description "snack food" I doubt it was cans of food, Philip. Wasn't there an empty pack of Twizzlers, for one thing? I don't know whether Maura was the kind of person who ate, say, Power Bars as a snack. Some of us do, you know.....personally, those Clif Bar Iced Gingerbread flavoured ones are made of awesome....

But they said "snack food" so I'm thinking it was, like, chips and twizzlers and Cherry Coke and the like.

The Family and LE are very different when it comes to AT & T releasing information
would even you agree to that?

Second I know there is information out there that
explains how LE would trace it try looking it up
just in case AT & T may have stated one thing ie for family and there is a set of rules for LE.

Third you have make so very clear you
have nothing good to say on LE we get it!

Oh I know there is not perfect source of information no perfect LE no perfect people
unlike you!

Let's agree to disagree and SOB by each other
for the sake of MAURA for once can you please!

Thanks

FireCat wrote:

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There are a number of inconsistencies among records, some of which originate with the police. Maura's family got the information from AT&T that the calling card could not be traced.
The police has in fact made some errors, White Wash. Some of them are seemingly utterly minor (saying that there's no Canton or Kenton in Ohio, etc) but some of them are more glaring.
You can accept that or not, but it remains the truth.
The accident report, for instance, remains very incomplete and troubling in what it does and does not reveal. For new readers, that info can be found at http://www.mauramurraymissing.com where there's a lot of info and links to news articles.
White Wash, I also feel it's useful to remind you that not everything we read in the newspapers is true. I know of course you're more likely to trust it, because you work for a newspaper, but the truth of the matter is, people make errors. Even editors.
"Dewey Wins" anyone?

Not using 'ONE SET" of foot prints has been lost
in my opinion.

Well if nobody came to help in the Middle of No Where could there be foot prints as Sharon states?

Sorry I skidded and slide off being very different.

Thanks for the infornmation!

peripeteia Nova Scotia wrote:

p.s. white wash, the article states skidded off the road, the article says nothing of skid marks.
what is interesting in this article, is that the SBD states that Maura got out of the drivers door, as the car was in the westbound lane facing eastbound, and if Maura got out of the car on the divers side, then there should have been footprints, the snow was high to the mailboxes.
How could there have been no footprints, the SBD states that Maura looked over the damage to the car, so she had to walk to the front or the back, but if there were no snow prints the driver had to exit the car from the passengers side. Sharon R. Stated that she could see the imprint of the door opened, did she see footprints.
p.s.s. sorry everyone that the above post are out of sequence however the number of words one can post at a time and the timing of the posts messed this up a bit, but no matter...
Happy Thanksgiving, especially to the Murray family and to Maura's loved ones, Maura is not forgotten and no one is giving up to bring her home...keep the faith...even if this is the fourth year I write the same thing

White Wash wrote:

Third you have make so very clear you
have nothing good to say on LE we get it!
Oh I know there is not perfect source of information no perfect LE no perfect people
unlike you!

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I have no idea where you get that impression. I have plenty of good things to say about LE. Allowing them to be human might even be considered one of them.

I am far from perfect. I've never pretended to be perfect.

Thanks for making our new members feel so welcome, White Wash. Once again showing your true colours.

peripeteia Nova Scotia wrote:

<text deleted> The SBD and SGT. Smith are aquainted.
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Peri, I have often wondered what you were up to - how nice to see your words!

Question: how are SBD and Sgt Smith acquainted?

Welcome to Question Period, peripeteia Nova Scotia - if that is your riding. We have our versions of Jack Layton, Stephen Harper, Gilles Duceppe and Stéphane Dion here, but in the end - I hope our version of Peter Milliken will prevail.

A long post disappeared so I'll repost it. Sorry if it's a dup!

Hi all,

Short post turned long --- sorry.

I wanted to direct new readers to the Hanson Express Series, but I can't get the links to work. That was the best concise resource about Maura's disappearance. If anyone else can post that link here, that'd be great.

It would also help if Weeper could give us a few more nuggets of allowable information to use as we think round and round in circles. Weeper? We are losing old posters here.

A poster from the MMM forum once suggested making a chart of everyone involved in "the case" up through Maura's disappearance, and indicating WHO HAD ANY REASON TO LIE. There are dozens of people, but I did chart it (sketchily) once and it ranged from the innocent/guileless (like Maura's younger brother, Kurt, who understood Maura was angry) to witnesses and others with inconsistent or questionable stories who lived near, or were at, the scene at the weathered barn. If anyone thinks this would be helpful I'll start posting it here and I guess anyone who wants can copy it, edit it and add ideas, and repost it?

I'm thinking that if it's a random crime, only the locals (and LE and PIs) could help "solve" this. If someone Maura knew harmed her, maybe we can make some progress. If Maura just had had it with pressure and control and wanted to get away, maybe we can figure that out.... altho it's hard to imagine Maura living in any peace having left her loved ones in that uncharacteristic way. It seems Maura might've run into trouble wherever she went post-Woodsville. There are posters who strongly believe this happened in Woodsville.

If Maura had a new boyfriend off campus who harmed her, maybe that could be explored. If she left on an emergency trip to help someone else in trouble that could be explored. If an Amherst-area professor, grad assistant, jealous classmate, rebuffed boy, job-related acquaintance, mechanic, policeman, or tow-truck driver stalked her... those are things to think about, although LE did thorough interviewing in the Amherst area. For Woodsville-area criminals we must depend on what locals see and hear -- and there are anonymous contact numbers given early in this forum for that purpose.

It's a combination of Maura's disappearance nearing 5 years, the oncoming winter and short days that made me want to make one last push, charting what we know at this point.

Just some ideas, since the forum seems stuck and frustrated. I never knew Maura but got pulled into her disappearance, for reasons I don't completely understand, like many others. Thanks, and Happy Thanksgiving,

Quija
quijie@comcast.net

Argh. Thanks for posting that (twice, apparently) Quija. The hanson express links have moved. It used to be southshoreexpress dot something. Now it's http://www.whitmanhansonexpress.com . I googled it a while ago when White Wash was talking about the photo she gave to Helena.

Hi Peri! A very late happy canadian thanksgiving to you in return.:)

peri...its great to see you here!

FireCat wrote:

Argh. Thanks for posting that (twice, apparently) Quija. The hanson express links have moved. It used to be southshoreexpress dot something. Now it's http://www.whitmanhansonexpress.com . I googled it a while ago when White Wash was talking about the photo she gave to Helena.
Hi Peri! A very late happy canadian thanksgiving to you in return.:)

if you're referring to the .pdf files that the series consisted of, I have them saved on my harddrive and will email to anyone who would like them, if that helps at all.

Thanks for the welcome ye all. Yes Nova Scotia is my riding, and regretably I am not politically inclined, well I change those I vote for as often as some change their socks, and with a minority government, we have elections just as often....

Can anyone tell me something that I don't know, has weeper oftered us anything, and the only thing else I can figure what is knew is the alleged Claude confession via his brother. What I can't figure out if Claude's brother made the death bed confession why did he not tell where Maura is? Can someone help me here?

I would have been hear sooner had I knew it was here, ironically, everyday I google for new information and only the other day did this web site come up.

p,s, white wash, I don't think Sharon said there were footprints, she saw the impression of the door that opened in the snow, or something to that affect, I do not think there were footprints... someone help me out with this..

that is just the point, how were there no foot prints when the impression of the door opening on the passengers side was still visible in the snow

I leave now and wait until someone informs me what is new...to spare me the anxiety attack of reading all that the stuff here, because the first 30 pages of the blog gave me an anxiety attack, and for those interested, perhaps weeper, found a new nectar almost as good as Jameson's, it is Dewar's, here is a happy thanksgiving toast to my friends seeking to find out what became of Maura and to bring here home....to think it is five years! Wonder if the judge would now say to Fred, "well five years is not such a long time in a missing person case"!!!!!!!!!!

Anne, just 30 pages told me anything goes!

correction: above post door opened on the driver's side, sorry I am dyslexic, everything is backwards, left is right and right is left on a good day.