Where is MAURA MURRAY

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peripeteia Nova Scotia wrote:

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mason I believe the airbags were taken into evidence, whether or not any DNA or mtDNA was conducted is not known, however I agree that the car was not sealed as evidence right away or later is inexcuseable and sloppy police work. If DNA testing was done on the airbags, there would be little question is Maura was driving her car at the time of impact, or if there was a passenger in the front seat....
too swabs could have been taken from the windsheild to see if the glass had been broken by an instrument or if someone struck their head etc..

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peripeteia Nova Scotia wrote:

Besides the need for a grand jury there needs to be an internal investigation of the local police in the matter of the accident at the weather barn and the disappreance of Maura.
The first officer on the scene, did not secure the vehicle for evidentiary purposes, he failed to question the Westman's regarding seeing a male at the scene of the accident. He failed to notify Fred Murray the owner of the car in a timely fashion that his vehicle had been involved in a car accident. He failed to issue a BOL for Maura even though the evidence pointed to the fact that she may have been injured and endangered. He failed to issue the police report in a timely fashion, and it is sorely wanting in information. He failed to notate what the witnesses said on the report and some of the witnesses were not interview until days later. He failed to state that he and the School Bus Driver went to look for Maura, they failed to head Eastward, even though the car was headed in an easterly direction as per reported by the Westman's. State Trooper Monahan was at the scene, he failed to notate that in the police report, and the S.T. has failed to issue his report. He failed to show the SBD a photo line up.
He stated to Maura's family almost 36 hours later that he did not know Maura was missing.
Procedures were not followed. Why? The police then reported that Maura likely came to the White Mountains to commit suicide. Absurd! Why has not an internal review of the police department taken place. Why have the police not apologized to the Murray's, why have they not kept the family informed.
In Canada we have a Public Enquiry, the public can request an enquiry into the actions of the police, there is no such animal in the U.S., why? The police are public employees.
If anyone feels that there is not such a need, well think again, what if it Maura was your daughter, your sister, you loved one, would you be satisfied with the justice system?
Maura deserves better. Brianna Maitland's mother owned her car, the police in Vermont also failed to notify her that her car had been involved in an accident, the Governor there made no attempt to hide this fact and policies and proceedures were changed. Why the difference in New Hampshire, what is it that the police are hiding?
I am not bashing the police but simply pointing out that anything but a stellar job was done investigating the accident and Maura's disappearance. Why? What policies and procedures have changed? Law enforcement needs to stand up and be accountable, that is not to say that they should tell the public everything they know but they need to be more transparent why polices and procedures were not followed?

whiston wrote:

hi Mason and all .the DNA stuff is fascinating,thak you. Lets suppose something was found at Lavoies after the saturn was towed there ,either something that indicated a crime or someone sneaking in to the saturn for some reason.If DNA was taken would you say the saturn would be useless as evidence and leaving it outdoors would be normal.i am not really clear how long a DNA sample wold be good and how the weather would affect it.take care philip

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peripeteia Nova Scotia wrote:

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mason I believe the airbags were taken into evidence, whether or not any DNA or mtDNA was conducted is not known, however I agree that the car was not sealed as evidence right away or later is inexcuseable and sloppy police work. If DNA testing was done on the airbags, there would be little question is Maura was driving her car at the time of impact, or if there was a passenger in the front seat....
too swabs could have been taken from the windsheild to see if the glass had been broken by an instrument or if someone struck their head etc..

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peripeteia Nova Scotia wrote:

someone asked me about the scrubs, I wasn't so sure that they got returned, just that the last call Maura received was from her classmate who had loaned her the scrubs..

whiston wrote:

As for when mr Murray first was contacted by HPD ,that depends what you read and who supplied the information.

FireCat wrote:

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Yup! Presumably dispatch records their outgoing calls as well as incoming. Have THOSE records been released?

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mcsmom wrote:

white wash....with numerous discrepancies between dispatch logs which one are we to believe????????
Also, why would dispatch mention that Bruce McKay was off at a motel that evening?

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Just a Thought wrote:

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How do you have the audacity to presume you know what Maura was going through? I just can't get over how arrogantly presumptuous and pathetically stupid you are. You have absolutely NO evidence that she was enduring or experiencing ANY level of "emotional pain". And what "motives" are you referring to? How can someone so blatantly stupid sincerely presume to know someone they've never met and someone they know nothing about based on the presumption that she may have been partying in college? There are well over 3 million college students in this country. Statistics indicate that well over 1.5 million of them party regularly, get drunk at parties, binge drink, etc. It's blatantly obvious that you have absolutely NO social life and never had one and no experience in partying with friends, and therefore it's impossible for your brain to comprehend that normal college students drink alcohol. You are excessively out-of-touch with society, and this is exceeded only by your obliviousness to it. Just over this Thanksgiving weekend, I got drunk on Wednesday night (TG eve) with dozens of my friends at one of our friends clubs in NYC. On Friday night, I drank again at another club that my friends and I frequent. That's twice in three nights. This also happens to be the only two times I've drank heavily in the past few months. Am I an alcoholic? According to your utterly incompetent thought process, Yes, I am. Am I drinking to cover up some deep emotional pain? According to your limited mental capacity, Yes, I am. I couldn't just be having drinks while socializing with friends, right? No, of course not. Who does that?!? They must be emotionally disturbed to have to do something crazy like having a few drinks at a party.
How embarrassing. How dare you presume that Maura had emotional pain because she went to a dorm party and drank alcohol. That's disrespectful to her and her family. Do us a favor, stop embarrassing yourself and leave. Thanks.

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peripeteia Nova Scotia wrote:

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mason I believe the airbags were taken into evidence, whether or not any DNA or mtDNA was conducted is not known, however I agree that the car was not sealed as evidence right away or later is inexcuseable and sloppy police work. If DNA testing was done on the airbags, there would be little question is Maura was driving her car at the time of impact, or if there was a passenger in the front seat....
too swabs could have been taken from the windsheild to see if the glass had been broken by an instrument or if someone struck their head etc..

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WTF wrote:

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And again, what did you think the response was going to be? Coast guard launching helicopters? Search teams being called out? National Guard on full alert? Maybe the other two officers in Haverhill coming in to scour the national forest? What the hell, I'm sure they had some free time. It is only the size of the state of Rhode Island. Exactly what did you think was going to happen? I know it might be hard for you to understand, I mean it's only been written several times. She was a walk away from a car accident. Something that is seen over and over especially when alcohol is involved. How many lives would you want to put at risk to search an area for someone that wasn't there, at night, in that terrain, in the dead of winter? This is not hyperbole. Searcher get hurt and sometimes killed all the time in circumstances such as this. So I'm just curious. A hasty search was done of the most likely avenues of escape. Standard procedure. Maura was not found to be in the area. What next? You wanted Fred called earlier and the police claimed that they did call. Maybe not leaving a message until later. If they had gotten in contact with Fred earlier and him stating "she wouldn't have run away" clearly which is wrong because she did run away from school. Let us assume that the police got that "pertinent" piece of information right when they found the car. What changes would you have made and to what ends? How would that have changed the outcome? How would that have made the outcome any different? I understand you might have felt better for whatever reason but bottom line, how would that have changed the outcome? Because isn't what you are really talking about? A changed outcome. The response done was standard procedure. You are not going to change that, though you are free to try. The reasons are simple. The first is the expense. It costs a small fortune to start a ground search let alone an aerial search, even a single helicopter. Without evidence she is in the area, it won't be done. That is what the hasty search tries to establish. The second is manpower. It requires a tremendous amount of manpower to do a ground search properly. The third is training. It requires a constant and continuous training to develop useful ground searchers. Not just people who stumble around in the woods getting themselves hurt and not seeing anything. The fourth is exhaustion. If you repeatedly call for searchers, who are mostly volunteers, they will stop coming out simply because they are exhausted doing searches and their real "day jobs". The fifth is apathy. If you repeatedly call for searchers at times when there is no need eventually the searchers, who are mostly volunteers and whose lives you are disrupting will stop coming out because it is "probably just another false report". The sixth is time. It takes time to organize and get all the searchers from disparate areas together to launch a search. They aren't all sitting at one location just waiting for your call. I hope this helps to explain, again, what a proper response is. Please let us know the kind of response you think should have happened and MORE IMPORTANTLY please tell us how it would have changed the fact that Maura disappeared minutes after she left that area. I understand LE doesn’t know what they were doing so please educate everyone here with your solution that would have prevented Maura from running away from school, crashing her car 200 miles from her previously known location, the location that all her family members believed her to be including Billy, and then leaving the crash area before the police got there. Everyone, including myself needs to know the solution to this to implement a correct response next time.