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Working off of previous posts (lots of good ones):

So she catches the attention of 2 or more bad guys working together while she stops for gas, and is visibly upset, shaken and vulnerable, maybe having problems getting the car started. They tail her - one pulls ahead of her, slams on the breaks, she crashes into back of car (red truck??) this car drives off. The second car behind her pulls up once the bus driver is gone, asks if she needs a ride, and she goes along, saying she'll "be back to get the car."

Can anyone else expand on this idea?

If this happened ... these people have probably done this before and may do it again. If they get caught for another crime, or attempting to abduct someone else, maybe evidence concerning Maura will surface then.

Also, secrets are hard to keep, and when more than one person knows a secret, incredibly more so. There is someone out there.. maybe a spouse/girlfriend of one of the "bad guys" that suspects their man might have been involved in some unsavory situations like this. How can we get them to squeal?
Shack wrote:
Det.C..I know you have been involved with this since day 1.
I have always believed that she gathered a few things and go into the wrong vehicle...with words of coming back later to get the car.
Also, after viewing the damage, again...it is beyond comprehension that the car was damaged before 112. Even though the engine might
run..and the tires go around...that car could not have been driven for a 3 hour trip. Not with that hood ...(possibility of it not being hooked
and flying up) and headlight damage.
When I see my old oil burner Saturn and compare the photos..
No way........!
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If someone slammed on the brakes in front of me and I hit them and they took off, I would definitely not get in the vehicle with them if they came back, not of my own accord.
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Thinking out loud:

The egg on my tie is related to White Wash's article pointing out what the police did in the investigation, this is the first time reading this information...over time I have been very critical of law enforcement in their investigation of the accident and Maura's subsequent disappearance...I apologize and now see that they did more than anything imaginable at the the scene that night, and there were a troupe of emergency staff at the scene as well.

I stand corrected, however law enforcement was remiss not to issue a BOLO all units. Also, greater and more creative methods should have been employed to find the owner of the vehicle as the occupant was possibly intoxicated and/or injured.

And given the circumstances law enforcement should change their methodology for report writing, more deligent with detail, and in a more expeditious manner and these should be reviewed by supervisior...

all of the information in the accident report should have been released to Fred Murray immediately.

I would hope that some changes have been made to the way that law enforcement does business. A similar situation happened in Brianna Maitlands' accident and disappearance, however the Vermont detachment was much more transparent in sharing their mistakes.

There is obviously a great deal that remains unknown about this case. Considering that Maura could have crossed over into Canada, my guess is by the time she got there she may have been looking rather frazzelled and disheveled, and likely late Monday evening, seems that someone might have remembered, that is if they were interviewed. The only way that the RCMP or board patrol could check to see if she had entered the country is if they ran her social security number and that might or might not have happened.

Also, law enforcement has stated that Maura's disappearance is not a criminal case??? Therefore information might be difficult to glean if there is any.

Personally I do not think Maura ran away, there is an outside possibility, in fact I saw a girl who looked identical to Maura, two years after she was missing, walking in a snow storm. She had on a greenish grey ski jacket that looked more like cotton, quilted in a diamond shapped pattern, black pants, with her hood up and hair down. She was walking along the highway in Habitant, near a winery owned and operated by Americans...I could swear it was Maura, but we are populated here with thousands upon thousands of people of Irish descent, and there are more Maura look alikes than in Southern Ireland. Although the winery was less than a mile away from my residence, I never gave it another thought, I never investigated because it would be wishful thinking on my part. I would sincerely like to believe Maura is alive and well pressing grapes and bottling wine or whatever but the chances and probability are remote. It would be possible to hide in Nova Scotia for a very long time, there are still hundreds of draft doggers hidding out in the hills who cannot go home, or perhaps no longer have anything to go home to...who knows, but they have a reason to run and to hide...or at least did at one time...

we have heard from weeper that sitings of Maura were investigated and proved fruitless...
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Dec 6, 2008
 
A question, that will not be answered, I'm sure...Why was the "red truck": information only brought out to the attention of the Forum in Oct.2006?...by a Poster who had lived in the area,
and had since moved out of that 112 area.
Poster had a brief conversation with the then SP Monaghan...(another question within a question...why was he there..at that time..?
From Piermont Ctr., where he lives, to Woodsville Ctr., would be an approx. drive of 20 minutes for obeying speed limits. For a
SP, perhaps 10-15 mins....? Did he hear scanner call that Anne heard? Why was he transfered laterally within SP after this episode ..?
The Poster had moved out of that area prior to this info.being made known to the Forum. Forum had been underway since Nov.2004.
Perhaps fear..? of...?..then again, perhaps Helena and PIs were apprised? I dunno...If this doesn't bug the Murray family,
it shouldn't bug me.

This Post is in no way,shape or form trying to
place any blame to anyone in particular. It has always been my feelings that there was no
mystery to Maura's disappearance...Just a feeling
that someone just did an instant bad thing ...perhaps due to substance abuse...?
peripeteia Nova Scotia

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http://travel.webshots.com/photo/209530580009...

link to photos posted by Lady Gray

thanks for posting these, I did not know that Silkyboxer was Beth, I understood from Silky that these guardrails were viewed several days after the accident, but perhaps I am wrong...

I was hoping that someone had taken an actual picture of the guardrails, and not a picture of a map, wishful thinking..I had thought that Silky had stated that she was uncertain when the damage to the guard rails had occured, that is why a picture of the damaged rails themselves would have been fruitful...Silky stated she thought the damage was knew...

Silky has downloaded a picture from google earth of the stage stop store...

personally the area just before the store near french pond and goose lane is an ideal place for an ambush, or to stike someone's car to overpower them...

or a point to begin to follow someone, watch from your car as someone goes into the store, or is simply stopped at the store, sitting under the outside lights in the parking lot to examine a map, the person leaves the store and are followed.

p.s. wonder if the witness coming from the Cottage Hospital ever saw the red truck...

I am having difficulty following where the witness stated that Bronco with number 1 was headed before he passed her near the stage stop intersection, confusing and having trouble to visualize what the witness saw....even with the help of dear google earth...

to my untrained eye, the most logical explanation besides the saturn hiting the hitch of a truck, is hiting a guard rail...
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#8807
Dec 6, 2008
 
White Wash:

when you viewed the pictures of the photos at the police station, were you able to see any footprints, or was there any mention of foot prints leading from the car. Was there a picture taken of the indentation in the snow from the driver's door opening, which Sharon says she saw in the snow on Thursday...thanks
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Dec 6, 2008
 
Yes , Peri....Ditto..."I would hope that some changes have been made to the way that law enforcement does business. A similar situation happened in Brianna Maitlands' accident and disappearance, however the Vermont detachment was much more transparent in sharing their mistakes."
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peripeteia Nova Scotia wrote:
I stand corrected, however law enforcement was remiss not to issue a BOLO all units. Also, greater and more creative methods should have been employed to find the owner of the vehicle as the occupant was possibly intoxicated and/or injured.
Actually this is another misconception. I donít find it unusual that the BOLO was issued to FD. The local PD was already aware of the walkaway. The base to now cover was a medical call. The thing to look out for now is that after the adrenalin wears off she discovers she needs help and calling the police will not be in her lexicon as she has already proven, calling for medical help might be. Hence, notify medical to be on the lookout.

As far as the greater more creative methods to track down the owner of a broken vehicle I disagree. It sounds like they called and tried to get in contact with the owner of the vehicle in a responsible manner considering it was likely just another walkaway trying to contact the owner repeated times and eventually getting in contact with him. You are of course entitled to your opinion.
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RUKidding wrote:
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Actually this is another misconception. I donít find it unusual that the BOLO was issued to FD. The local PD was already aware of the walkaway. The base to now cover was a medical call. The thing to look out for now is that after the adrenalin wears off she discovers she needs help and calling the police will not be in her lexicon as she has already proven, calling for medical help might be. Hence, notify medical to be on the lookout.
As far as the greater more creative methods to track down the owner of a broken vehicle I disagree. It sounds like they called and tried to get in contact with the owner of the vehicle in a responsible manner considering it was likely just another walkaway trying to contact the owner repeated times and eventually getting in contact with him. You are of course entitled to your opinion.
Well I am just considering liabilities, nothing at the accident scene indicated it was a walkaway, hardly as it must have been obvious that the 20 year old might have been injured, or at risk from alcohol intoxication or both, that sheds a differnt light on simply notifying someone that their car has been in an accident.

My sister was in an accident, and the RCMP came to my house because I did not have a phone, drove me to the station allowed me to call the hospital to enquire after my sister's health...and drove me home...

I think personally given the liabilities involved, Smith or Dispatch should have called the Weymouth police, besides they had enough on their plates..I wouldn't have gone home until I knew Mr. Murray was going to be looked after per/se and given the number of staff, limited resources, I'd have asked Weymouth police in a heart beat to find Murray and let him know his daughter maybe injured, or whomever the young 20 year old was driving his car. Because if the car crash victim died on the road or in the woods..I'd want my but covered...and it would be one thing of a thousand on my mind that I could be sure was looked after, and I would not be incriminated later by any backlash or if anything untoward happened to the occupant of the car whom I knew to be alone and intoxicated...and had an air-bag blown into their face, and from out of town...

these are just my thoughts of what I would have done, and I assume that their must have been some inkling amoung the troupe at the scene that the person involved in the accident might be injured?
peripeteia Nova Scotia

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Dec 7, 2008
 
posts disappear readily, one minute you post it and then it is gone to cyberspace

the phone call to the security desk was not necessarily for Maura, the person calling might have just reported or stated to any security person on duty that night

what is indeed beyond explanation is why this person has not come forward...to explain this call? Either the call was simply from someone who did not know Maura was on the other end, did not know the person, and did not know that that person later went missing, but it is very curious why they have not come forward to the police...

they obviously had something to hide, unless of course, they simply were reporting Vaisi's accident, have we absolutely concluded that Vaisi and Maura were unknown to one another?

it is conceiveable that someone borrowed Maura's car....

initially police reported Vaisi mayhave been car surfing....

I cannot picture someone striking someone with a car, return to their work, sit calmly and then receive a call then crack up...no it is doubtful Maura might have struck Vaisi herself, and I believe it was posted she was at the security desk...Why would Maura run from the accident, if she was not drinking what would there to be afraid of, and besides I cannot see Maura abandoning a sick person.

...it is possible that Maura knew who hit Vaisi, and given the code of honour of West Point and the military, it is a secret she would keep, and
perhaps the person involved threatened Maura to keep quiet...

something happened on Thrusday to Maura and it seems personal, and troubling...

It is unfortunate that we have not heard from Maura's classmates, because although Maura was secretive, she would not have been able to mask
her distress she was feeling in the day prior to her trip to the North...

the beer in the hockey bag, perhaps the police would do well to speak to this person...

wonder if her saw Maura on Sat. morning, wondering if Maura was buying the booze, for the
party at the dorm?
peripeteia Nova Scotia

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Dec 7, 2008
 
above post, meant to say, the DAYS prior to her disappearance

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Dec 7, 2008
 
Eurobserver wrote:
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Hello Pansie,
Seemingly there are only you and me on this forum who currently seriously consider that Maura may well have been able to start a new life somewhere else in the United States or in Canada.
This theory is in my opinion just as possible and viable as most other theories on this board, IMHO.
Euro I don't believe it unlikely - but I believe other theories are just as likely.

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Dec 7, 2008
 
Detective Columbo wrote:
I believe that Maura DID NOT KNOW her abductors. They saw her filling with gas and started their plan then.
Not that my opinion counts much - but from what I know I believe this possible too - especially because the tank was almost full and I would assume a criminal in a stolen car would not fill up the tank (unless that would not look unusual)- now if I knew how full the tank was we'd have a mileage range to work with - and would hope that cameras might have caught the fill.

I have maybe a 60% feeling that the Saturn was driven up a New Hampshire state highway parallel to 93, but in NH.

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Dec 7, 2008
 
Detective Columbo wrote:
The RED TRUCK is of big interest to me, especially if it was from Mass. This projects a whole new scenario.
To my mind - 1 of two major sets - random abductor or a follower all the way from Amhurst.

Also note that (credit to Sophie Bean) that some temporary Vermont or NH license plates look like MA plates - just keep that possibility in mind.
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Dec 7, 2008
 
Shack wrote:
A question, that will not be answered, I'm sure...Why was the "red truck": information only brought out to the attention of the Forum in Oct.2006?...by a Poster who had lived in the area,
and had since moved out of that 112 area.
Poster had a brief conversation with the then SP Monaghan...(another question within a question...why was he there..at that time..?
From Piermont Ctr., where he lives, to Woodsville Ctr., would be an approx. drive of 20 minutes for obeying speed limits. For a
SP, perhaps 10-15 mins....? Did he hear scanner call that Anne heard? Why was he transfered laterally within SP after this episode ..?
The Poster had moved out of that area prior to this info.being made known to the Forum. Forum had been underway since Nov.2004.
Perhaps fear..? of...?..then again, perhaps Helena and PIs were apprised? I dunno...If this doesn't bug the Murray family,
it shouldn't bug me.
This Post is in no way,shape or form trying to
place any blame to anyone in particular. It has always been my feelings that there was no
mystery to Maura's disappearance...Just a feeling
that someone just did an instant bad thing ...perhaps due to substance abuse...?
Shack: the information was posted in the news regarding the red truck, there was little talk about this truck,on the forum and none in the news. I can remember repeatedly requests for the person to come forward because the timing of the sighting of the truck and the behavior of the driver seemed tied and perhaps quintessential to the investigation of Maura's disappearance.

When R.O. came to the forum she explained why she did not come forward beforehand, which I do not recall other than her story was not investigated or believed by the police. I think she did a wonderful thing, and this information has been most helpful in explaning who might have picked up Maura.

We do not know if police investigated the sighting of the red truck, and I believe that
R.O. did not tell the police immediately, or did she? anyone remember.. It is so unfortunate all the information at the MMM is not accessible...there is a number of references to red trucks on the 911 logs from the 9th morning of the 10th of Feb., always made me wonder if all the references to the red trucks is because the police knew about the red truck that evening.

Shack in all fairness, R.O. did what she could, and considering there may be a perpetrator or two living in the area, I think it took a great deal of courage on her part to come forward and help with the investigation the way she did.

Myself personally when I read the story of the red truck sighting, alarm bells went off, loud and clear, and thought the main object of the investigation should be to find out who saw that truck, and to find the truck...because if the driver of the truck had nothing to do with picking up Maura then perhaps he saw something when he drove by the Weatherbarn or if she saw any cars off the road, etc...

the red truck fits the bill as far as the damage to the Saturn goes, the timing is right, the oportunity was there....

then again Shack, we can no longer be certain that the police have not investigated this matter
I think that there is oodles of information they are keeping under wraps..

and R.O. I miss you and trust and hope you are well

take care
peripeteia Nova Scotia

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Dec 7, 2008
 
correction: or if he saw any cars off the road in the area...
addition to above post
if I am not putting words in R.O. mouth, I think she got a very bad feeling from the driver or the red truck, and the description of his behavior sounds suspicious, and worthy of investigation

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Dec 7, 2008
 
pansie wrote:
Unfortunately, even if it is determined that she was mentally ill,
On the mental illness issue - I have more of an idea of a possible temporary medical condition that is very well documented in an episode of Biography.com 's "I survived" that amounts to a very temporary mental illness - symptoms very like what you described in an earlier post.

This is another possibility I see possible - and as nothing seems to make sense to anyone - it almost seems most likely.

The woman has recovered - she was on medication for stress - and then took herself off of it - started to hallucinate and believe that the man with a gun(that only she could see) was going to kill her unless she stole a random persons car and ran from the police.

Who knows what might have gone through her head - but I can imagine her running 10 miles into the wilderness and dying of exposure.
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Eurobserver wrote:
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Hello Pansie,
Seemingly there are only you and me on this forum who currently seriously consider that Maura may well have been able to start a new life somewhere else in the United States or in Canada.
This theory is in my opinion just as possible and viable as most other theories on this board, IMHO.
You're not the only one's. ITA with you.
peripeteia Nova Scotia

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#8820
Dec 7, 2008
 
did someone say that Smith passed his boss which I assume is Williams on the road, where did they pass one another.

what is meant that the officer was at the motel, which motel might this be, and I believe the officer was Mac Kay, or is he whom Smith passed on the road, did Smith mean that he passed him at the motel?? Was Mac Kay Smith's boss?

very confusing....
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Dec 7, 2008
 
White Wash: did law enforcement share with you what Monahan was doing at the scene and if he make out a report of his findings. thanks
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