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Mastermind

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Dec 7, 2008
 
yankee wrote:
If someone slammed on the brakes in front of me and I hit them and they took off, I would definitely not get in the vehicle with them if they came back, not of my own accord.
Excellent point. I can't imagine that the two vehicles (the one causing her accident and the one she escapes/is abducted in) are the same vehicle, no way. Unless she is forced into said vehicle.

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#8823
Dec 7, 2008
 
Detective Colombo wrote: "H6- black hair past shoulder length"

Now I may be mistaken - but in the pictures I've seen, it doesn't seem that her hair was that long - or dark.

So a few questions come to mind. First - is that the way the family would describe her?(Am I incorrect?)

If so - then we have to sort out:

1. Was this a misdescription of what was reported to police?(Won't help you)

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2. Is this an accurate description of what a witness told the police officer.(Might be important)

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3. From her drivers license - and inaccurate (won't help you)

If its not a description of Maura the family would agree with but a description that witnesses feel is correct - then consider it wasn't Maura - but don't loose sight that the crime could have happened all the way back in Massachusetts.

I think it did - the driving was reckless, desperate and out of character - more like someone fleeing a crime. A close but no match seems to fit a scenario where a criminal and girlfriend attacked Maura at Amherst - break in the dorm - they looked for someone that resembled the female part of the team so they could go in front of cameras and be misidentified.

This is a fourth theory I find possible.
WHITE WASH

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#8824
Dec 7, 2008
 
Or someone turning into the PI's star
witness driveway could be another thought!
You know the one who owns a red truck!
Any theory is possible at this point
without comfirmed facts.
I still think measuring from the damage
points to hitches and balls may prove
otherwise on her rear ending someone.
Detective Columbo wrote:
Knowing firsthand the damage to the car...I have based this assumption. The Westman's said they heard a thump and then an accelertion noise.
Maura came around the corner by the Weathered Barn following another vehicle, after turning the corner the vehicle in front slowed down or came to a stop and Maura rearended that vehicle. This would explain the thump " Maura's car hitting the other vehicle " and the acceleration " The other vehicle speeding from the scene ". In my opinion this vehicle only drove a short distance from the scene though so as able to see what Maura did next. They might have been parked just a short distance away on Bradley Hill Rd. or even on Old Peters rd. which is off the main rd. and secluded from vision by a passerby. Once the school bus driver talked to Maura and left the scene, the people watching her chose to go back by, grabbed her and.........drove away.
This is just an assumption on my part, but because of the info I have and know to be fact I have come up with this theory.
Anyone else want to chime in????
WHITE WASH

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#8825
Dec 7, 2008
 
Smith passed his Boss on RT 10
at the Rangers Station!
peripeteia Nova Scotia wrote:
did someone say that Smith passed his boss which I assume is Williams on the road, where did they pass one another.
what is meant that the officer was at the motel, which motel might this be, and I believe the officer was Mac Kay, or is he whom Smith passed on the road, did Smith mean that he passed him at the motel?? Was Mac Kay Smith's boss?
very confusing....
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#8826
Dec 7, 2008
 
Given Maura miltary training she was
being forced anywhere in my opinion
without a good struggle!
Mastermind wrote:
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Excellent point. I can't imagine that the two vehicles (the one causing her accident and the one she escapes/is abducted in) are the same vehicle, no way. Unless she is forced into said vehicle.
WHITE WASH

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#8827
Dec 7, 2008
 
Oops sorry wasn't being forced
without putting up a struggle.
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Dec 7, 2008
 
Lady Gray wrote:
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Yes, incident could be viewed as a "leaving the scene." Which, in that case, vehicle would be towed and LE would wait for owner (or owner's representative) to show up and claim vehicle.
I'd like answers to the following, if this IS the case:
1. Why was a search warrant obtained?
2. Why did Sgt Smith tell others at the scene to stay away from the vehicle?
3. Why did Sgt Smith deny knowing it was a female driving the car? Initially, this was repeatedly denied to Sharon, the mother of Maura's fiance, Billy.
4. Why would Chief Williams refuse to discuss the time of accident with Sharon?
5. Why was a BOLO issued, that night, only to the fire department? Not to LE. Fire.
You seem confident in your answer! so i'll ake a whack.
1. We'll agree ha pd(le) can not always release all he information hey are aware of. Releasing all would jeopardize case. seeing all is speculation. Maybe they suspected veh involved in something else. A more serious event. we don't know maybe it was.
2.Who was he shooing away. once again the possibilties are may. was the car in unsafe spot that left people in jeopardy of being hit by oncoming traffic. pd responsible for the safety of belonging of veh need to prevent theft. how about although minor leaving the scene still a scene.
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yankee wrote:
If someone slammed on the brakes in front of me and I hit them and they took off, I would definitely not get in the vehicle with them if they came back, not of my own accord.
Of course not. That's why they would go out in two cars, so she wouldn't know that the second car was involved. She'd recognize the first car, of course. But she'd be grateful for the motorist who came along and said, "Gee, I saw what that jerk did to you, you need a ride somewhere?" not realizing that he was part of the scam.
WHITE WASH

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#8830
Dec 7, 2008
 
Didn't ask. RO stated he was searching the area and I no reason to believe unwise!
I have never heard anything bad about
his performance until Fred Murray threw him under the BUS in the media and honestly I'm done with such insulting talk without proof on LE actions.
It's slander and it's grown past OLD.
peripeteia Nova Scotia wrote:
White Wash: did law enforcement share with you what Monahan was doing at the scene and if he make out a report of his findings. thanks
WHITE WASH

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Wait just leaving the accident isn't enough for HPD to secure the vehicle
isn't that alone a crime?
Ok so once the rig is moved they
have perhaps a bottle with booze so
now you have a DWI.
I don't think you'll find a cop who
would be ok run your hands all over it
please we don't know what we have everyone PLEASE TOUCH IT!

Second Maura was an Adult. Although Sharon feels like her Mother she
was not. She isn't a family memeber.

So why would HPD if they thought they had a criminal case share all details?

They wouldn't they shouldn't.

The High Sheriff and several Fire Dept have comfirmed it is a fact for Grafton
that FD being dispatch with LE to accidents to clear it of leaks LE are not able to turn back Fire if there is
damage.
goat wrote:
<quoted text>You seem confident in your answer! so i'll ake a whack.
1. We'll agree ha pd(le) can not always release all he information hey are aware of. Releasing all would jeopardize case. seeing all is speculation. Maybe they suspected veh involved in something else. A more serious event. we don't know maybe it was.
2.Who was he shooing away. once again the possibilties are may. was the car in unsafe spot that left people in jeopardy of being hit by oncoming traffic. pd responsible for the safety of belonging of veh need to prevent theft. how about although minor leaving the scene still a scene.
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peripeteia Nova Scotia wrote:
Personally I do not think Maura ran away, there is an outside possibility, in fact I saw a girl who looked identical to Maura, two years after she was missing, walking in a snow storm. She had on a greenish grey ski jacket that looked more like cotton, quilted in a diamond shapped pattern, black pants, with her hood up and hair down. She was walking along the highway in Habitant, near a winery owned and operated by Americans...I could swear it was Maura, but we are populated here with thousands upon thousands of people of Irish descent, and there are more Maura look alikes than in Southern Ireland. Although the winery was less than a mile away from my residence, I never gave it another thought, I never investigated because it would be wishful thinking on my part. I would sincerely like to believe Maura is alive and well pressing grapes and bottling wine or whatever but the chances and probability are remote. It would be possible to hide in Nova Scotia for a very long time, there are still hundreds of draft doggers hidding out in the hills who cannot go home, or perhaps no longer have anything to go home to...who knows, but they have a reason to run and to hide...or at least did at one time...
we have heard from weeper that sitings of Maura were investigated and proved fruitless...
I strongly believe if Maura could have returned home she would have.

It is apparent she had strong, binding family ties, extended relationships with Billy's family, and academic goals in progress.
Therefore, her willful, intended disappearance, IMHO would be unlikely.

The motivation to leave Amherst, if driven by the unfortunate circumstances of multi-accidents, with the possibility of one involving bodily harm, would be resolvable by contacting her immediate family after a reasonably short period of time.

If she feared approaching her father to admit to any untoward circumstances in her life, I suspect she would have realized the capacity of his love to forgive and be supportive upon reflection.

I lean toward abduction...either on the trip to NH (91) or upon arrival.

Human trafficking? A consideration.

A chance encounter with a bad guy/the devil? Probably.

Seeking and recovering a victim of abduction and/or murder along 91 would be an impossible endeavor, as is combing the National Forest, or scouring Canada. The range of possibilities for locating Maura extends from Amherst to NH and beyond.

If she is not alive, she will most likely be found by a chance discovery, IMO.

I lean toward abduction...either on the trip to NH (91) or upon arrival.

The motivation to leave Amherst, if driven by the unfortunate circumstances of multi-accidents, with the possibility of one involving bodily harm, would be resolvable by contacting her immediate family after a reasonably short period of time.

If she feared approaching her father to admit to any untoward circumstances in her life, I suspect she would have realized the capacity of his love to forgive and be supportive upon reflection.

Human trafficking? Possibly.

A chance encounter with a bad guy/the devil? Probably.

Seeking and recovering a victim of abduction and/or murder along 91 is an impossible endeavor, as is combing the National Forest in NH, or scouring Canada.

The range of possibilities for locating Maura extends from Amherst to NH and beyond.
If she is not alive, she will most likely be found by a chance discovery, IMO.
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#8833
Dec 7, 2008
 
WHITE WASH wrote:
Oops sorry wasn't being forced
without putting up a struggle.
That's what I've always thought, too.(and I read what you meant the first time, not what was written)
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Benjamin Franklyne wrote:
Detective Colombo wrote: "H6- black hair past shoulder length"
Now I may be mistaken - but in the pictures I've seen, it doesn't seem that her hair was that long - or dark.
So a few questions come to mind. First - is that the way the family would describe her?(Am I incorrect?)
If so - then we have to sort out:
1. Was this a misdescription of what was reported to police?(Won't help you)
or
2. Is this an accurate description of what a witness told the police officer.(Might be important)
or
3. From her drivers license - and inaccurate (won't help you)
If its not a description of Maura the family would agree with but a description that witnesses feel is correct - then consider it wasn't Maura - but don't loose sight that the crime could have happened all the way back in Massachusetts.
I think it did - the driving was reckless, desperate and out of character - more like someone fleeing a crime. A close but no match seems to fit a scenario where a criminal and girlfriend attacked Maura at Amherst - break in the dorm - they looked for someone that resembled the female part of the team so they could go in front of cameras and be misidentified.
This is a fourth theory I find possible.
I don't have notes (where's mcsmom?!) but I do remember that Maura's family--of which I consider Sharon a part--has said that this BOLO was an inaccurate description.
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#8835
Dec 7, 2008
 
It also does not match the description on the MMM website home page.

http://www.mauramurraymissing.com
Quija

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#8836
Dec 7, 2008
 
People were tossing the idea around a while ago that not only did R.O. see the red truck, but the way SBD was backed in, he might've seen it too. Told CS. Red pickups were stopped that night and into the following morning. Thus, the one thing SBD has always been uncharacteristically quiet about is seeing the make and model of the 5-6 vehicles that went past his house while he was watching.

I doubt red truck guy followed Maura all the way from Amherst. Maura is beautiful, but if he was a perp, you'd think he'd try a convenience store or a mall parking lot a lot closer for his "hunting". A place familiar to him, in his comfort zone.

It doesn't make sense either that he drove all the way up there in tandem with her as a guardian in case the Saturn broke down. Too many alternatives (like, uh, ONE vehicle) if they were, say, going to some event at another college... Then it just gets too complex to think, "well, she was going to stay a few more days than he was so they took 2 vehicles" ... and who would be her guardian on the way back in the unreliable Saturn? Doesn't sound right.

LE and PIs would already know if red truck guy was one of the staff members from Beckett looking for the student who disappeared from the work detail. I understand LE was notified after 9PM, but that doesn't mean staffers, administrators, his counselor from another town were not looking for him. Those of you who know how LE works, could SP or local LE have gotten an "under-the-radar" call to look for the student, before this sensitive matter was officially logged in? Just another way of looking at the red pickup truck.
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#8837
Dec 7, 2008
 
Wowzer wrote:
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Lady Gray how do you know the BOLO was specifically for just the FD?
To be honest any actual BOLO I've ever heard come over the scanner went to all LE. I can't say I've ever heard one go just to the Fire Dept. Could it be that the FD was asked by the officer on the scene to BOLO for someone walking since they were heading that way?
I can't imagine that the dispatcher that issues the BOLO on the air per request of the officer would say it was specifically for the FD.
I wonder if an actual BOLO which is aired by the dispatcher and goes to all LE and a request by the officer at scene for the FD to BOLO for someone walking is getting confused.
Going by the dispatch report.....which, of course, could be wrong. Could be a typo and they just omitted the reference to LE.

This is what it says regarding BOLO issued from the scene that night (I'm typing while looking at the dispatch report):

H2 req all fire units BOL for a female about 507 on foot, victim of a crash

Firecat, you were asking about the other BOLO. Another BOLO was issued the following day at 12:04 pm. It is exactly (from dispatch report) as follows:

H6: Black hair past shoulder length, wearing a dark coat, about 5'5", 120 lbs

This BOLO was put out at 1221 to the law enforcement agencies that I typed yesterday.

H2 in the first BOLO is Sgt Smith who was making the BOLO request.

H6 is another Haverhill officer, who the following day made the second BOLO request.

And, it's interesting in that the first night, the height was correct. The second day, height was incorrect. And, the long hair past shoulders?
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#8838
Dec 7, 2008
 
Again, those familiar with LE can help with this: Wouldn't LE have kept all information private from the family until they had checked out where each person was, what their job schedules were, etc.? LE doesn't know until they investigate things what kind of relationships a family has. And it's possible that either several things didn't sound right, or that it appeared those closest to Maura might not have been totally frank. Who knows? Sometimes the most innocent have a block of time that can't be corroborated.
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Actually this is another misconception. I donít find it unusual that the BOLO was issued to FD. The local PD was already aware of the walkaway. The base to now cover was a medical call. The thing to look out for now is that after the adrenalin wears off she discovers she needs help and calling the police will not be in her lexicon as she has already proven, calling for medical help might be. Hence, notify medical to be on the lookout.
Well, this makes the most sense of what I've heard. Question though, why would they issue a BOLO the following day to surrounding LE jurisdictions?

And, if they were looking for an injured person on foot the night of.....I can see asking fire (rescue) to be on the lookout.

However, it makes me wonder why they didn't issue the same BOLO to law enforcement the night before. I understand there was more than the usual number of fire staff in the area. Makes sense. And, while they were out on the road going from one destination to another, makes sense for them to keep an eye out.

What about the officers/deputies/state police whose job it is to continually patrol the roads. Part of their job responsibilities is to have a sharp eye while driving for anything amiss. They, too, could have kept out an eye for a female on foot. Why omit them?(assuming the dispatch report is correct)
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Quija wrote:
Again, those familiar with LE can help with this: Wouldn't LE have kept all information private from the family until they had checked out where each person was, what their job schedules were, etc.? LE doesn't know until they investigate things what kind of relationships a family has. And it's possible that either several things didn't sound right, or that it appeared those closest to Maura might not have been totally frank. Who knows? Sometimes the most innocent have a block of time that can't be corroborated.
Oh gawd......I can ask this question but I don't want to be held accountable for the answer. I've been burned.

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Dec 7, 2008
 
Link to article describing police search for missing woman posted by SilkyBoxerz -

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