Where is MAURA MURRAY

Savanna wrote:

Why would she suddenly remember after so long? Why would so little evidence have been collected correctly?
I know the driving conditions were poor, and she hadn't been driving more than 6-8 months, but if she was so inexperienced why would she risk drinking and driving?????

I believe that's one of the reasons the cops think she may have intended to commit suicide, although I think the behavior merely indicates negligence or perhaps recklessness.

looking4amoose wrote:

<quoted text>I'm positive...I am one of those sorry people afflicted with carrying 2 cell phones--one for a personal consulting business I own and 1 for my full time job as a community based nurse. I have to use my password for the Verizon phone but not for the Sprint phone (as long as I call from my cell phone)

Did you have your Sprint service back in February, 2004, and, if so, did it work the same way it does now?

Is there a reson the MM site does not have all of the articles written ? I think the ones from Whitman Hanson are the best. They even won an award.......... i think its odd that they dont keep up on the new info - when they could help find her

Mason -
Can you or someone comment on the song "for maura" i think it is beautiful and dont get why so little is said about it??????????

Mason wrote:

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Did you have your Sprint service back in February, 2004, and, if so, did it work the same way it does now?

yes and yes.

Thanks, Lookig4amoose. Let me know when you find him.

We now have the definitive answer. Maura's cell-service provider, Sprint, permitted anyone who accessed her voicemail account with her cell phone to retrieve the messages without entering her PIN.

This means that Maura did not necessarily check her voicemail at 4:37 pm on Monday, February 9th, as has been reported and assumed for a long time. Someone accessed her voicemail, but we can't assume Maura was that person. Why?

Because her cell phone was within 20 miles of the Londonderry Tower which is located 11 miles SSE of Manchester, NH. The tower is 68 miles as the crow flies from UMass. It's 101 miles by car, which takes a little over 2 hours to drive. We don't know precisely when her cell phone pinged the tower, but it was sometime Monday afternoon or early evening.

Someone withdrew $280 from her bank account at an ATM machine in Amherst at 3:40 pm the same afternoon. That person used her PIN and apparently purchased $35 to $40 of booze at a liquor store in Amherst a little later. The person who used the ATM machine and bought the booze was captured on video and she has been identified as Maura Murray.

The woman who crashed the Saturn into a snowbank on Rte 112 shortly after 7 pm Monday evening and subsequently disappeared was tentatively identified by the SBD as Maura Murray. I say "tentatively" because when shown a photograph of Maura Murray, he said the girl behind the wheel of the Saturn looked like her, but had longer hair. Maura always put her hair up, but it's possible she might have lowered it during the drive from Amherst because the heater did not work and she would have been cold. He is the only witness that places Maura in the Saturn.

If she drove the Saturn north into NH, someone else must have had her cell phone when it pinged the Londonderry Tower. Therefore, the person who accessed her voicemail at 4:37 pm could not have been Maura Murray unless the SBD and the people who identified the person in the two surveillance videos were mistaken.

Who had Maura's cell phone and why did that person check Maura's voicemail at 4:37 pm?

Mason, I believe the account given re: her cell phone and the Londonderry tower has generated confusion at multiple points. My understanding (and a few others have repeated the point) is that a call was placed *to* Maura's phone *from* a phone that was in range of the Londonderry tower "at some point" on the afternoon of Feb. 9th (I haven't seen an exact time listed). We haven't been given any information about who placed that call, but it was mentioned that LE was aware of it.

The last activity that was registered on *Maura's* phone was her checking the voicemail - but it wasn't in range of the Londonderry tower when that happened. I believe that no information has been listed here regarding whether the call went through / whether there were any registered "pings" for Maura's phone as it traveled north that afternoon (if, in fact, it did).

TazzAW wrote:

Mason, I believe the account given re: her cell phone and the Londonderry tower has generated confusion at multiple points. My understanding (and a few others have repeated the point) is that a call was placed *to* Maura's phone *from* a phone that was in range of the Londonderry tower "at some point" on the afternoon of Feb. 9th (I haven't seen an exact time listed). We haven't been given any information about who placed that call, but it was mentioned that LE was aware of it.
The last activity that was registered on *Maura's* phone was her checking the voicemail - but it wasn't in range of the Londonderry tower when that happened. I believe that no information has been listed here regarding whether the call went through / whether there were any registered "pings" for Maura's phone as it traveled north that afternoon (if, in fact, it did).

Anyone can feel free to do the research on how they've located several missing persons---they've called the cell phone several times and the ping has created a map of where the missing person was. I'm not making this stuff up--cell phones are not my business. Signals go to the calling phone, pings go to the tower closest to the phone being called. It's called triangulation I believe.

Mason wrote:

Thanks, Lookig4amoose. Let me know when you find him.

You're first in line when I get the news.....:)

Agreed. Everyone please see here:

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2008/10/...

TazzAW wrote:

Mason, I believe the account given re: her cell phone and the Londonderry tower has generated confusion at multiple points. My understanding (and a few others have repeated the point) is that a call was placed *to* Maura's phone *from* a phone that was in range of the Londonderry tower "at some point" on the afternoon of Feb. 9th (I haven't seen an exact time listed). We haven't been given any information about who placed that call, but it was mentioned that LE was aware of it.
The last activity that was registered on *Maura's* phone was her checking the voicemail - but it wasn't in range of the Londonderry tower when that happened. I believe that no information has been listed here regarding whether the call went through / whether there were any registered "pings" for Maura's phone as it traveled north that afternoon (if, in fact, it did).

looking4amoose wrote:

<quoted text>Anyone can feel free to do the research on how they've located several missing persons---they've called the cell phone several times and the ping has created a map of where the missing person was. I'm not making this stuff up--cell phones are not my business. Signals go to the calling phone, pings go to the tower closest to the phone being called. It's called triangulation I believe.

My understanding is that you're absolutely right - however, I believe the phone being called needs to be on and in range of a tower for that to happen.

Note that while I'm eager to reinforce the point about the Londonderry call (ie., it was *to* Maura's phone and doesn't in any way imply that her phone was near Londonderry on the 9th), there are still some very important gaps in our information regarding the position of her phone. For example, like I mentioned above, the last activity that we've seen from her phone (LE or some other source may know more) was when it called her voicemail. If she was in fact traveling north from that point, would the other "pings" from her phone registered along the way up 91 (if that's where she went)?

If so, I believe that nothing listed or linked to from this thread has said so to this point. It could be due to a few things:

- Her phone didn't travel north with the Saturn
- While her phone was active up 91, the pings weren't recorded in a way that could be accessed by Sprint techs in the following days (eg., maybe they're only "logged" when a call is made to or from the phone)
- Pings were recorded moving up 91, but the information hasn't been released to where we have access

Mason wrote:

Thanks, Lookig4amoose. Let me know when you find him.
We now have the definitive answer. Maura's cell-service provider, Sprint, permitted anyone who accessed her voicemail account with her cell phone to retrieve the messages without entering her PIN.
This means that Maura did not necessarily check her voicemail at 4:37 pm on Monday, February 9th, as has been reported and assumed for a long time. Someone accessed her voicemail, but we can't assume Maura was that person. Why?
Because her cell phone was within 20 miles of the Londonderry Tower which is located 11 miles SSE of Manchester, NH. The tower is 68 miles as the crow flies from UMass. It's 101 miles by car, which takes a little over 2 hours to drive. We don't know precisely when her cell phone pinged the tower, but it was sometime Monday afternoon or early evening.
Someone withdrew $280 from her bank account at an ATM machine in Amherst at 3:40 pm the same afternoon. That person used her PIN and apparently purchased $35 to $40 of booze at a liquor store in Amherst a little later. The person who used the ATM machine and bought the booze was captured on video and she has been identified as Maura Murray.
The woman who crashed the Saturn into a snowbank on Rte 112 shortly after 7 pm Monday evening and subsequently disappeared was tentatively identified by the SBD as Maura Murray. I say "tentatively" because when shown a photograph of Maura Murray, he said the girl behind the wheel of the Saturn looked like her, but had longer hair. Maura always put her hair up, but it's possible she might have lowered it during the drive from Amherst because the heater did not work and she would have been cold. He is the only witness that places Maura in the Saturn.
If she drove the Saturn north into NH, someone else must have had her cell phone when it pinged the Londonderry Tower. Therefore, the person who accessed her voicemail at 4:37 pm could not have been Maura Murray unless the SBD and the people who identified the person in the two surveillance videos were mistaken.
Who had Maura's cell phone and why did that person check Maura's voicemail at 4:37 pm?

Hello Mason & all,

In fact, save the extremely vague and wavering witness statement by the SBD we have absolutely no confirmation whatsoever that Maura in fact ever left Amherst, MA.

Mason wrote:

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Before, approximately 30 minutes.
The Saturn may already have passed by the store before RO arrived and saw the red truck leave because witness FW, who called 911 to report the accident at 7:27 pm, told the cops that she heard the loud thump, looked out the window, and saw the Saturn backed into the snowbank a little after 7 pm. Looks like the accident happened very close to the time RO saw the red truck.
From Lady Gray's message #1200 @ p.59, quoting RO.
"I wish I could give an exact description of the truck but I can not. I was walking that night about 7 p.m to the local store. As I was walking up the hill, a truck passed me and slowed down. When it got to the middle of the hill it stopped in the road. I immediately looked at the plate and noticed it was from Massachusetts. There is only 1 street light there and I could not tell how many people were in the vehicle. As I got closer to the truck it took off up the hill. When I rounded the corner to the store, I could see the truck in the driveway of the store. As I walked into the parking lot, which is well lit, the truck took off toward the crash site,(of course at that time I did not know there was a crash).
As for the red truck, it slowed, then stopped and waited for me to get closer, then took off up the hill. He did not leave the store parking lot in any sort of hurry.
When I entered the store I asked if she saw the people in that truck and she said no, no one had come in. I told her about them stopping in the hill. Then we just forgot about it."
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"I was in the Swiftwater store for 1/2 hour - 45 minutes. It was about 20-30 minutes after I was there that the police went by. I am not at all Maura's size and in fact I was bundled up that night. I believe I caught the truck off guard as I was walking well off the road and as they passed I walked back on, which is why I believe they stopped completely. They could not see me without any street lights and maybe went to the store and waited for me to get up there to get a better look??? I don't know. That is just how it seemed to me."

Anyone ever read "The Gift of Fear"? If something seems out of place, if your fearful, on edge...there's a high probability you have every right to be. Someone (Mason?) mentioned the window in the back of the truck may have looked smaller due to a toolbox...never thought of that - I like it.

Firefly wrote:

Also... you get (and see) what you focus on. There could be a parade going down the street, and you would remember it, because it is obvious, but the quiet figure walking down the street, almost out of your line of vision gets forgotten, since you are distracted by the parade.

Good comments Firefly - thanks.

Savanna wrote:

Why would she suddenly remember after so long? Why would so little evidence have been collected correctly?
I know the driving conditions were poor, and she hadn't been driving more than 6-8 months, but if she was so inexperienced why would she risk drinking and driving?????

...risk drinking and driving poor conditions...inexperienced driving. You wouldn't even want to know what I "chanced" when I was that age! And if I was scared/depressed/confused/etc. ..ugh!

Tazz, thank you.

We need to figure out if Maura's car was towed at any time after she leaves Amherst for NH. Is there any way LE could check out tow service records in Londonderry, Amherst, and areas surrounding her disappearance for Feb.9?

Hello all,

I would like to try out a somewhat new approach here...
At what date and time can we actually pinpoint the last publicly known sighting of Maura?
We have never been able to watch the ATM video from Amherst, MA, and it seems doubtful that there is a video available registering Maura´s supposed visit to the liquor store in the Amherst area.
We can not with any absolute certainty conclude that this was in fact Maura. It is likely, yes, but far from certain.

Then there is the witness purporting to have seen Maura carrying the hockeybag on UMass campus in Amherst. I seem to recall that there is even confusion as to the exact date of this supposed witness sighting.
Not a very reliable witness account in my mind.

So again:
Which and when is the last reliable witness sighting of Maura?

Sara wrote:

We need to figure out if Maura's car was towed at any time after she leaves Amherst for NH. Is there any way LE could check out tow service records in Londonderry, Amherst, and areas surrounding her disappearance for Feb.9?

each dept keeps a tow log, if they are dispatched by county they would have a general log, if by individual dept you would have to check each one.

Forgive me if I dupe this post, first time didn't seem to go thru...

OK, so, still wondering if the dogs going bonkers at the a-frame was investigated to the point of dismissal, and still wondering if anyone knows for sure that the carpet was tested. I know several posts reference menstrual fluid on the carpet, but has that actually been confirmed by a source outside of this thread (who did the testing, were the results (if any) conclusive, etc.)? If yes, and the dogs' reaction has been satisfactorily explained, then we can begin to exclude the a-frame as a possible lead. Otherwise, in MY mind anyway, it's still near the top of the list. I doubt cadaver dogs go bonkers over things they're not trained for, so for now I'm thinking if there were cadaver dogs, and if they did strongly react, there was a cadaver nearby at some point. I accept the fact that I could be wrong, if so please let me know. I saw a show a few months ago on NatGeo or somewhere similar in which a standard PD bloodhound tracked a man several miles, even after he had gotten into a car and driven thru town, past a beach, making several turns along the way. This gives me confidence that if the dogs did hit, there was quite possibly a cadaver. It also gives me confidence that if the other dog back in 2004 lost the scent 100 yards from the crash, Maura must have gotten into a car, and even then I'll have to assume the dogs only failed to continue tracking her b/c it had snowed.