Where is MAURA MURRAY

I'm going to get some sleep. I'm leaving out words and phrases and that's not a good sign.

M

Shack wrote:

scooter...Sharon...(the future mil) said it
sounded liked sniffing/stifled sobbing by Maura(those might not be the exact wording)
Often wondered if it was recorded for later use,
though I kinda doubt it.
Yeh..the trees were crashing all around me last
night...lost elec. for only 4 hours...
Looking4..wonder if you made it North...

In all of that crashing going on did you happen to see a possessed black 1996 Saturn? I know one that's really good at crashing.

pansie wrote:

I still believe that there is a chance that Maura had/has schizophrenia, which I believe explains many puzzling things about this case, and about her behavior. It could explain the car accidents; why she was drinking; why she could not sleep; why her behavior (the sudden crying, etc.) was so perplexing; it possibly might even explain why the rag was in the tailpipe of her car, as one person pointed out. Based on what I have heard of her behavior, I think there is some chance that she was delusional, and that possibly these delusions pertained to her family (because in the first crying spell, when her supervisor asked her what was wrong, she said, "my sister, my sister"; and before she allegedly left Amherst, she wrote her professors that she had a family emergency).
So, I think she may have been going somewhere that she had been to before with her family, for reasons that only Maura would know. And if she is out there, and mentally ill, then I wonder if she would return to the place where she was headed that night. So if I were the family, that's where I would put the "missing" posters- near trailheads of hikes the family had done, places the family had stayed, etc., so that if someone saw her they would know that she was a missing person.
Maybe everyone in that area knows of her, I don't know. I really hope my pushing the mental illness issue isn't offensive to anyone.

I think your idea is brilliant. I haven't commented on the mental health issue much lately. I'm pretty sure it's part of the puzzle but I'm not sure how big or where it fits.

For example, the Saturn breaks down in Bridgeport over Christmas break and it's towed to UMass. Did her dad just have the tow truck drop it off in the dorm parking lot so he could return 2 or 3 weekends later to buy her another car and trade-in the big paper weight with rubber tires. Now there's a plan!

Or maybe there wasn't anything wrong with it and it was all in her head. She refused to drive it so he had it towed, etc. Seems to make a little more sense than choice number one.

Okay, he pays to have the Saturn fixed in Amherst but she still refuses to drive it because ...
its got bad ju-ju.
Excuse me, but this patient needs to see a doctor now.

Where was I?

Time for Mr. Spock to arch an eyebrow and say "Fascinating."

Keep plugging away at this angle because I have a sneakin suspicion that more than 1 member of the cast of the characters in this movie we're watching believes he or she is acting in another movie.

pansie wrote:

I still believe that there is a chance that Maura had/has schizophrenia, which I believe explains many puzzling things about this case, and about her behavior. It could explain the car accidents; why she was drinking; why she could not sleep; why her behavior (the sudden crying, etc.) was so perplexing; it possibly might even explain why the rag was in the tailpipe of her car, as one person pointed out. Based on what I have heard of her behavior, I think there is some chance that she was delusional, and that possibly these delusions pertained to her family (because in the first crying spell, when her supervisor asked her what was wrong, she said, "my sister, my sister"; and before she allegedly left Amherst, she wrote her professors that she had a family emergency).
So, I think she may have been going somewhere that she had been to before with her family, for reasons that only Maura would know. And if she is out there, and mentally ill, then I wonder if she would return to the place where she was headed that night. So if I were the family, that's where I would put the "missing" posters- near trailheads of hikes the family had done, places the family had stayed, etc., so that if someone saw her they would know that she was a missing person.
Maybe everyone in that area knows of her, I don't know. I really hope my pushing the mental illness issue isn't offensive to anyone.

Back in the fifties and earlier, families sometimes arranged to have a member of the family, whose existence was viewed as embarrassing or inconvenient, involuntarily committed to a mental hospital where he or she remained for the rest of their life. Hard to imagine now, I know.

I'm not suggesting that Maura's family kidnapped her as I'm sure you realize, but it's some of the other readers I'm worried about which is why I tack on the disclaimer. I am suggesting that they might not want to mention some concerns that they might have had about her behavior and if that's true they need to get over it and come clean or we're going to spend the rest of our lives going around in circles chasing a ghost and posting to this site.

"Mason,
Very good point there, which I was on the verge of bringing up myself.
If Beagle Bart is right about this, why on earth should the crashed Toyota of Maura´s father cause such an interest at the body shop?
I´ve never been able to explain this.
Ideas???"

When I first started reading about this case and I heard that there was a car accident several days before Maura disappeared, my first thought was that she did it on purpose. I don't think this way now after reading more about the case. I think this accident truly was an accident. However, people cause accidents for insurance fraud and other reasons, so I would imagine that the police would be very interested in that first accident that Maura had in Amherst.

Mason wrote:

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I think your idea is brilliant. I haven't commented on the mental health issue much lately. I'm pretty sure it's part of the puzzle but I'm not sure how big or where it fits.
For example, the Saturn breaks down in Bridgeport over Christmas break and it's towed to UMass. Did her dad just have the tow truck drop it off in the dorm parking lot so he could return 2 or 3 weekends later to buy her another car and trade-in the big paper weight with rubber tires. Now there's a plan!
Or maybe there wasn't anything wrong with it and it was all in her head. She refused to drive it so he had it towed, etc. Seems to make a little more sense than choice number one.
Okay, he pays to have the Saturn fixed in Amherst but she still refuses to drive it because ...
its got bad ju-ju.
Excuse me, but this patient needs to see a doctor now.
Where was I?
Time for Mr. Spock to arch an eyebrow and say "Fascinating."
Keep plugging away at this angle because I have a sneakin suspicion that more than 1 member of the cast of the characters in this movie we're watching believes he or she is acting in another movie.

Well Mason, there are at least a couple people on this forum who very much dislike this theory. Actually, from the family's perspective, it seems that they've had a very difficult time getting LE to be fully involved the way they believe LE should be. And the less chance there is that a crime occurred, the less willing LE is to be involved. So it's sad, but it seems like the family has been put in a position of having to convince people that Maura's disappearance is the result of a crime (as it very well could have been) in order to get LE to pursue it.

Also, what if LE has a suspect and is solidifying their case. I don't want to give ammo to a defense attorney. And I'm not sure there's really anywhere to go with this theory- it's out there, and short of getting coverage on television to make people aware that she is missing, how would you find a person in such a huge country as ours is?

Mason wrote:

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If she has her cell phone with her, she's over near Londonderry. That means she isn't the person who takes money out of the ATM and buys the booze. Yet, that person was captured on video and has been identified as Maura Murray. How do you explain that?

I'd explain it by saying that the affidavit says someone called Maura from near Londonbury. Maura could have been anywhere.

Yes phones ping when someone tries to reach you - if your phone's power is on - but - according to the affidavit - the record referenced in the affidavit was a call to Maura. Nothing in the affidavit said anything about Maura's phone.

That should cover it.

White Wash wrote:

"This is a copy of the actual request filed in
a Court of Law by Det. Landry.
Supporting Affidavit for Issuance of Search Warrant I, Todd D. Landry, do hereby depose and say;
1. That I am currently employed by the State Police and have been for the past ten years. Currently, I am assigned as a Detective at Trooop- F in Twin Mountain, NH. I have received extensive training in the investigation of criminal matters.
2. That on February 9, 2004 at 1927 hours the Haverhill, NH Police Department responded to a single vehicle motor vehicle crash on Route 112 in Haverhill, NH. Upon arrival, Sgt. Cecil Smith was unable to locate the driver of the vehicle. Subsequent investigation determined that the driver of the vehicle was MAURA MURRAY (d.o.b.*** Walker Street, Weymouth, MA.
3. A witness at the scene later confirmed that the driver was MURRAY.
4. An extensive search of the area has been conducted and MURRAY has not been located.
5. During the course of this investigation, Cellular Telephone records have been obtained by Law Enforcement that were used by MURRAY. A representative from Sprint Corporate Security advised this affiant that during the late afternoon hours of February 9, 2004 an outgoing telephone call was made to Murray from the Londonderry, NH Sprint tower. This call had to have been made from within a 22 mile radius of the tower. The identity of this caller and telephone number has not been made as of this date.
6. That identifying the caller of the telephone call could be pertinent to the ongoing ~ investigation and may lead to the whereabouts of Maura Murray. 9'
7. Based on the foregoing, there is probable cause to believe evidence in the suspicious disappearance of Maura Murray may be found through Sprint Wireless Cell Tower Telephone Records, including any outgoing calls from the Londonderry tower of Sprint to Maura Murrays Sprint PCs number *** for February 9, 2004 from 0001 hours to 2400 hours.
Todd D. Landry
Supporting Affidavit for Issuance of Search Warrant I, Todd D. Landry, do hereby depose and say;
1. That I am currently employed by the State Police and have been for the past ten years. Currently, I am assigned as a Detective at Trooop- F in Twin Mountain, NH. I have received extensive training in the investigation of criminal matters.
2. That on February 9, 2004 at 1927 hours the Haverhill, NH Police Department responded to a single vehicle motor vehicle crash on Route 112 in Haverhill, NH. Upon arrival, Sgt. Cecil Smith was unable to locate the driver of the vehicle. Subsequent investigation determined that the driver of the vehicle was MAURA MURRAY (d.o.b.***), 22 Walker Street, Weymouth, MA.
3. A witness at the scene later confirmed that the driver was MURRAY.
4. An extensive search of the area has been conducted and MURRAY has not been located.
5. During the course of this investigation, Cellular Telephone records have been obtained by Law Enforcement that were used by MURRAY. A representative from Sprint Corporate Security advised this affiant that during the late afternoon hours of February 9, 2004 an outgoing telephone call was made to Murray from the Londonderry, NH Sprint tower. This call had to have been made from within a 22 mile radius of the tower. The identity of this caller and telephone number has not been made as of this date.
6. That identifying the caller of the telephone call could be pertinent to the ongoing_ r investigation and may lead to the whereabouts of Maura Murray.
'_.
7. Based on the foregoing, there is probable cause to believe evidence in the suspicious disappearance of Maura Murray may be found through Sprint Wireless Cell Tower Telephone Records, including any outgoing calls from the Londonderry tower of Sprint to Maura 1Vlurrays Sprint PCS number *** for February 9, 2004 from 0001 hours to 2400 hours.
Todd D. Landry"

hi all ,was the cell phone that Maura got from Sharon her first cell phone.Wass it considered a luxury.Had she had one before this.Did she have another number at some point on another phone.Anyone know thelocation of the ATM Maura may have used.was this a simple robbery in Amherst that went very wrong.If either the atm or liquor store locations Thta may show which direction Maura was going and if that makes sense timeline wise.Same with the party saturday night .Was it a straight shot fom the party to the toyota 'acciden' and on to the motel.take care philip

philip, I believe Sharon stated that she had bought the phone for Maura and had added her to her own plan. It was said that Maura was not an experienced driver and am wondering if you know when she got her licence?

hi Anne and all .i know it was reported that Sharonn got the cell phone for Maura.I am curious if this was her first cell phone. no i dont know about the license.Both seem late in arriving in Mauras life.tale care philip

Shack:

I noticed you asked before about the handwritten directions in Maura's car...

Peabody posted this i think on websleuths:

It is ***my opinion*** that Maura did not decide to take her trip until the early hours of Monday morning 2/9/04......because:

The UMass Police checked Maura's computer. The *first* evidence of her seeking directions to any location was in the very early morning hours of 2/9/04. These were the directions to Burlington VT done on mapquest and also found in Maura's handwriting on an index card by the family after her belongings had been returned to the *boyfriend* by the Haverhill Police Dept.
This evidence was reported in the media; I believe the first to report it was The Caledonian Record - check archives from 2/9/04 - 2/16/04 www.caledonianrecord.com

Also Philip/whiston mentions something in post #2792.

Another article that refers to handwritten directions in Maura's Saturn.....

http://www.northcountrynewsnh.com/web_pages_0...

Maura Murray, 2 1/2 Years After Her Disappearance;
A Letter From Her Family

Our thanks to the Northcountry News and its Publisher Bryan Flagg for allowing the family of Maura Murray to ‘speak’ to its readers...

...We know that she had hand written directions to Burlington in her car, and we know she made a call to a person who rents a condo in Bartlett that afternoon. We also know that she placed a call to a Stowe, VT information line.

Mason wrote:

We're almost at the 5-year anniversary of this terrible case and we can't answer this question yet? If so, that is absurd.

Yes. The absurdity of it all.

There are obviously some good minds here, some whimsical...all committed and with good hearts.

All the snooping and supposition for nearly 5 years is a slow crawl toward progress, given pockets of missing information...that likely do not belong in the domain of the blogosphere, anyway.

The responsibility for solving Maura's disappearance lies with the authorities, IMHO, and in collaboration with family, her friends and acquaintances.

Nancy Grace has become a much lesser version of her original self by her current programming content, IMO. Even with greater access to professionals that are unavailable or cannot be accessed here, she is unable to solve disappearances and crimes.

Reasonably, Maura's disappearance has the potential to remain unsolved until there is an actual break in the case.

I don't see any warning flags, so let's assume Topix has the capacity to handle an additional 10,000 posts on this thread...or at least until further notice.

The disconnected posts are dizzying. Oh, the absurdity of it all.

absurdity means a state of being absurd and webster fefines absurd as 'the state or condition in which human beings exist in an irrational and meaningless universe and in which human life has no ultimate meaning'....I do hope we continue with another 10000 posts (no matter how absurd) and find better ways to organize the information we do have. Maybe, just maybe something will jog someones memory.

Anne wrote:

absurdity means a state of being absurd and webster fefines absurd as 'the state or condition in which human beings exist in an irrational and meaningless universe and in which human life has no ultimate meaning'....I do hope we continue with another 10000 posts (no matter how absurd) and find better ways to organize the information we do have. Maybe, just maybe something will jog someones memory.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/absurd...

Intended usage,(although "absurdity" was preceded by "the"...as a noun)

"Ridiculously incongruous or unreasonable."

I'll be certain to clean up my grammar and usage.

looking4amoose wrote:

<quoted text>if you're correct, then they know the number that called her from that area.

They may, at that. It may be one of those things that they're keeping close to the vest because it's an ongoing investigation.

looking4amoose wrote:

<quoted text>it's been reported that actually the Corolla was the new car, that in fact, he had bought it for her already.

In which case, why wasn't Maura on the policy?

Mason wrote:

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Back in the fifties and earlier, families sometimes arranged to have a member of the family, whose existence was viewed as embarrassing or inconvenient, involuntarily committed to a mental hospital where he or she remained for the rest of their life. Hard to imagine now, I know.
I'm not suggesting that Maura's family kidnapped her as I'm sure you realize, but it's some of the other readers I'm worried about which is why I tack on the disclaimer. I am suggesting that they might not want to mention some concerns that they might have had about her behavior and if that's true they need to get over it and come clean or we're going to spend the rest of our lives going around in circles chasing a ghost and posting to this site.

In the course of your digging, have you become aware of any hospitalizations or commitments related to Maura's mental health?

Do you have access to her school/medical records? HIPPA, you know.

Indeed, the 'brilliance' of an armchair dx of schizophrenia, BPD, major depression...or whatever...would be great to weave into the plot...if only it could be substantiated by fact.

looking4amoose wrote:

<quoted text>Maybe the affadavit is worded incorrectly?

My suspicion is that the affadavit is worded correctly. If an affadavit is worded incorrectly, you've just made something utterly wrong and false a legal document. And sworn to it. Legal writing is a 101-level class in law school. It's one of the first things you take because in a court of law, EVERYTHING depends on how you phrase something...liability, legal responsibility, guilt or innocence in some cases.....

My guess is that the affadavit was very carefully worded and just as carefully gone over before it was signed. By more than one person. That's the nature of affadavits.