Where is MAURA MURRAY

FireCat wrote:

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Well, there's no point in my taking a car charger with me unless I know I'm going to be in another car for a long period of time (or my phone is in desperate need of juice right then) since--of course--they only work in cars.
As for the wall charger, I leave it wherever it happens to be unless I expect to be gone for a long time--several hours or overnight.
So that, my dear Sara--thank you for pointing this out, because in retrospect it now seems
really obvious to me!--leads me to believe that Maura thought she'd be returning to her car before too long, if she left it voluntarily.

This is exactly the info I was trying to extrapolate! It seems to me that from the chargers, we could assume she thought she was coming back to the car!

Snowy White and Scooter, I would be happy to help in any way possible too. Thank you for being willing to attempt some form of 'search' here.

With Maura's full tank of gas (not done with her intended destination?) she may have just been towed from MA. She probably intended to return to it if she left valuable jewelry and chargers and locked it.

Anne wrote:

Snowy White and Scooter, I would be happy to help in any way possible too. Thank you for being willing to attempt some form of 'search' here.
With Maura's full tank of gas (not done with her intended destination?) she may have just been towed from MA. She probably intended to return to it if she left valuable jewelry and chargers and locked it.

Thank you, too.
Looking forward to hearing back from Lady Gray...and her suggestions...we'll all take it from there.

I just noticed we now have a "search" box.

FireCat wrote:

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Well, there's no point in my taking a car charger with me unless I know I'm going to be in another car for a long period of time (or my phone is in desperate need of juice right then) since--of course--they only work in cars.
As for the wall charger, I leave it wherever it happens to be unless I expect to be gone for a long time--several hours or overnight.
So that, my dear Sara--thank you for pointing this out, because in retrospect it now seems really obvious to me!--leads me to believe that Maura thought she'd be returning to her car before too long, if she left it voluntarily.

Sara & FireCat & all,

The fact that both chargers were left in the Saturn could indicate another thing as well:

That it may not necessarily have been Maura in the car by the Weathered Barn.

Anne wrote:

Snowy White and Scooter, I would be happy to help in any way possible too. Thank you for being willing to attempt some form of 'search' here.
With Maura's full tank of gas (not done with her intended destination?) she may have just been towed from MA. She probably intended to return to it if she left valuable jewelry and chargers and locked it.

Anne & all,

If Maura´s car did indeed contain nearly a full tank of gas when found at the Weathered Barn, that would to me at least indicate that she (or whoever was driving the Saturn) very likely filled it up somewhere near Woodsville (if arriving from the west) or in Lincoln/North Woodstock (if arriving from the east).

If the Saturn was indeed towed from Amherst,MA, to Swiftwater, as you suggest, that would, IMHO, indicate that Maura (or some other person) intended to do away with the car somewhere in the wilderness of the White Mountains area.

Snowy White wrote:

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Reading between the lines.
You've arrived here with brilliant insight and, if we are to believe, nearly a lifetime of professional skills.
However, this is the first mention of legislation to "change the law" to my knowledge...and very specific to access of SSN history.
It is not clear who you represent...and the generalization from Maura to all missing persons further suggests a tie-in to a greater purpose.
As you state:
"People have a right to move on in their lives and the purpose of this legislation would be to get a yes or no answer to whether anyone is using the SSN."
...I am wondering if this "legislation" is to effect the ability to determine one's legal status as deceased after a certain amount of time.
If I misunderstand, please clarify further.

I do not represent anyone. I just keep trying to make connections and toss in ideas.

My SSN idea just popped into my head because all of a sudden it seemed like a certain and east way to determine if someone who has been reported missing is really missing.

Later on it occurred to me that some people who are missing might want to remain missing, which they have the right to do. So, a balance must be struck between a person's right to disappear himself or herself and a family's right to a pretty definitive answer regarding whether their missing loved one is dead or alive.

Problem is that I don't think families or loved ones have such a right under existing law. The only way to solve that problem is to create a legal right through legislation and the only way to do that is to act in numbers.

I don't know how many people are missing in this country or how many people are psychologically fracturing because they are stuck in limbo-land not knowing if the missing person whom they love is alive or dead.

I think a new law that permits a family member, or significant other to request a yes or no answer regarding whether the missing person's SSN has been active (i.e.,$ withheld during the course of employment) after the person has been missing for a year makes sense.

The idea needs some fine tuning to prevent opportunities for identity theft and abuse by creditors.

Maybe the potential for abuse can't be effectively eliminated and the idea shouldn't be pursued. I don't know.

It's just an idea that seemed great at the time, but maybe it belongs in the circular file labeled "trash."

I'm not going to pursue it, if this forum rejects it.

Sound reasonable?

WTF-the-original wrote:

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I never take my home charger. Because I would forget it all the time. So what I have done is to put a phone charger in my vehicle. The reason is simple. I never forget it and I never have to worry about not being able to charge my phone, even if the power is out at the house or the New Hampshire house that I visit as often as possible.
Bill

Yes, I finally have an additional wall charger as well. Knock wood, I've never forgotten mine in someone else's wall so far, but just in case.

Sara wrote:

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This is exactly the info I was trying to extrapolate! It seems to me that from the chargers, we could assume she thought she was coming back to the car!

So you, Snowy, and I all came to the same conclusion.(and maybe someone else, I'm senile from grading finals!)

Eurobserver wrote:

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Sara & FireCat & all,
The fact that both chargers were left in the Saturn could indicate another thing as well:
That it may not necessarily have been Maura in the car by the Weathered Barn.

Interesting thought as well. Obviously I'm not going to take a phone charger that doesn't fit my phone. And I'm probably not going to think to myself, "Gee, I think I'll take this phone charger to throw people off" if I'm someone else driving Maura's car.

FireCat wrote:

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Incidentally, the PIs and accident reconstructionist(s?) agree with you: the accident did not happen at the 112 scene.
Where? Dunno. If they have a guess, they haven't shared it yet.

Is this fact? Where did you hear or read that the PIs and reconstruction experts feel the damage was not caused at the 112 scene?

Eurobserver wrote:

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Sara & FireCat & all,
The fact that both chargers were left in the Saturn could indicate another thing as well:
That it may not necessarily have been Maura in the car by the Weathered Barn.

I have been slowly coming to this conclusion. It would make the SBD's testimony make more sense too. He did say at first when showed a pic of Maura that he did not think it was her. Perhaps it could explain why in a matter of five minutes the person was gone, they had to disappear fast because they had been seen. I totally believe that Maura's trouble started much earlier.

FireCat wrote:

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Yes, I finally have an additional wall charger as well. Knock wood, I've never forgotten mine in someone else's wall so far, but just in case.

Thats why I never bother with the wall charger anymore except to use it at the primary house and never move it. No matter where I go I can always use my car charger so I am covered no matter what. Even for a loss of power.

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Bill

elsewherebriefly wrote:

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A number experts have stated the person(s) responsible for Maura's disappearance have done it before and will do it again.
For all of your experience and knowledge I'm somewhat surprised and dismayed by your blatant disregard for the opinons of the experts whom have worked, on a voluntary basis, on Maura's case.

Gotta love hostility!

I consider myself an expert who is as well equipped by knowledge and experience to render an opinion in this matter as any other expert. In fact, I probably have more knowledge and experience than some of them. I may lack knowledge of some of the facts in this case, but it's not for lack of trying to dig for them. BTW, my participation also is voluntary.

So, sorry that you're "somewhat surprised and dismayed by [my] blatant disregard for the opinions of the experts whom have worked, on a voluntary basis, on Maura's case."

"Blatant disregard" is an incorrect characterization of what I've done. I've considered those opinions carefully and acknowledged the possibility that they may be correct, but I prefer to first explore the possibility that someone murdered Maura for a specific reason. I've never said that's what happened. I've stated it's a theory, not an established fact. Now, it needs to be verified according to the facts available and if it fails to withstand scrutiny, it won't be validated. T will be discarded into the trash heap where disproven theories go to die.

For the umpteenth time, I have no agenda except discovering the truth. I am not attached to any one theory. I am applying my brain to solving a problem by following this process:

1. Propose theory A.
2. Test theory A in light of all of the known facts.
3. Accept or reject theory A
4. Proceed to theory B and follow the same procedure keeping in mind that we do not know all of the facts and theory A might ultimately fail due to some unknown facts that become known later on.

This methodology is known by another name -- the scientific method. It's not new and it works. It ignores and does not respect beliefs or taboos.

Maura's family and supporters who know facts, but for one reason or another do not wish to make those facts available to this process have an absolute right to refuse to share those facts. However, that complicates the process of arriving at the truth.

It isn't sinister or good. It's a process for discovering the truth. Nothing more and nothing less.

Please explain to me and everyone else who reads and posts here (1) why you have a problem with that process and (2) what methodology you recommend we use instead to get to the bottom of this mystery.

Elsewhere Briefly, I await your response.

Snowy White,

RE: your comment "As you state:
"People have a right to move on in their lives and the purpose of this legislation would be to get a yes or no answer to whether anyone is using the SSN."
...I am wondering if this "legislation" is to effect the ability to determine one's legal status as deceased after a certain amount of time.

If I misunderstand, please clarify further."
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Never occurred to me and for all I know it might already be part of that process.

Mason wrote:

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I do not represent anyone. I just keep trying to make connections and toss in ideas.
My SSN idea just popped into my head because all of a sudden it seemed like a certain and east way to determine if someone who has been reported missing is really missing.
Later on it occurred to me that some people who are missing might want to remain missing, which they have the right to do. So, a balance must be struck between a person's right to disappear himself or herself and a family's right to a pretty definitive answer regarding whether their missing loved one is dead or alive.
Problem is that I don't think families or loved ones have such a right under existing law. The only way to solve that problem is to create a legal right through legislation and the only way to do that is to act in numbers.
I don't know how many people are missing in this country or how many people are psychologically fracturing because they are stuck in limbo-land not knowing if the missing person whom they love is alive or dead.
I think a new law that permits a family member, or significant other to request a yes or no answer regarding whether the missing person's SSN has been active (i.e.,$ withheld during the course of employment) after the person has been missing for a year makes sense.
The idea needs some fine tuning to prevent opportunities for identity theft and abuse by creditors.
Maybe the potential for abuse can't be effectively eliminated and the idea shouldn't be pursued. I don't know.
It's just an idea that seemed great at the time, but maybe it belongs in the circular file labeled "trash."
I'm not going to pursue it, if this forum rejects it.
Sound reasonable?

Well stated. Very reasonable.

Please forgive the tone of my questioning...if it doesn't sound friendly. The internet limits our abilities to precisely read through and around printed words.

As you suggest, legal parameters designed to protect the rights and privacy individuals may also cause harm by restricting access to a family member who requires accurate, important and timely information to help make decisions.

The protections intended may result in the tortured "limbo" that is the plight of a missing person's family.

I've noticed variances in the application of the HIPPA law...with some clinicians/facilities/agencies being reasonably open to considering a request to share/exchange information in order to help to a patient/family. Others routinely withhold information and strictly adhere to their understanding of HIPPA. It is not consistently applied and can lead to a communications breakdown.

FireCat wrote:

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Search areas have not generally been made public, for reasons I hope are obvious.

There are different levels of searching ranging from the searchers separating as far as possible but still within earshot and calling out the person's name. This is level 1 and is designed to cover the maximum area possible as quickly as possible. It presumes the missing person may be lost and/or injured, but able to respond vocally to the voices of the searchers.

The final level, which I believe is called level 5, is shoulder to shoulder proceeding on hands and knees.

I've asked the question about areas already searched because I'm in the process of recommending areas to be searched.

If people don't want to share, that's fine. I'll go ahead, make my recommendations, and ignore their silly suspicions.

FireCat wrote:

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Interesting thought as well. Obviously I'm not going to take a phone charger that doesn't fit my phone. And I'm probably not going to think to myself, "Gee, I think I'll take this phone charger to throw people off" if I'm someone else driving Maura's car.

Actually, our family tends to accumulate chargers between the cars...to the point that I'm no longer sure which is mine.
I've also had to reclaim my wall charger when my son-in-law inadvertently packed it up thinking it was his.
Like everything else, there are variances in habits.
It makes sense that if it was Maura's car, it was likely her charger(s)...although one or both could have belonged to a passenger.
I'm rambling.

WTF-the-original wrote:

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I never take my home charger. Because I would forget it all the time. So what I have done is to put a phone charger in my vehicle. The reason is simple. I never forget it and I never have to worry about not being able to charge my phone, even if the power is out at the house or the New Hampshire house that I visit as often as possible.
Bill

Although I have had very little use for "Pi" in my life, I usually know where to find my stuff. LOL

There are large gaps in understanding the circumstances surrounding the Hadley accident.
Is anyone able to share details?

With significant damage, it's hard to believe the accident would go unnoticed by the police or observers...even if it was v. late at night/or very early morning.