Where is MAURA MURRAY

Thanks!

Saturnus wrote:

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A lot of the generic questions I see on this forum can be answered with a simple Google search.
Yes, Firecat, the Mass registration sticker is affixed to the upper right of the license plate.
The Saturn's inspection sticker is still visible on the lower passenger side of the windshield in this photo - http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n10/Murray...
It has the number "10" on it as expected, considering it's registered in Fred's name and inspections are performed annually during the month of the registrant's birth date, October in this case.

I have a female family member that I feel Fred treated with large amount of disrespect and we'll
leave it at that.
His lack of really thinking
the impact tell a bunch of single female parents in the area a killer is lose and nobody is protecting them only cause them to flood a under staff HPD already with calls that took a way from
his daughter case.
I believe there would be more hard facts if some had allowed LE to do their job.

FireCat wrote:

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I know you're trying to move on from this, White Wash, but this is the first time I've heard you express that you feel Fred has a particular disrespect for the *women* of that area.
That kind of gives me a better perspective on why you sometimes react the way you do, and I'm curious what made you feel that way. You don't have to respond, obviously, if you're not comfortable sharing or just want to let it go. It was just the first time I've heard this specific thing from you. And it caught my attention. And, of course, the only reason it's relevant to Maura's case is precisely because it's affecting your reaction to him and the family.
Just trying to understand as much as I can.....

Whiston as always good pondering thanks!

WHISTON wrote:

hi Dawn and Firecat.I was told that Muara was asked to leave westpoint and i have no doubt it happened.I have also been told that there were no clinicals that Maura could have attended in Norwwod M.A.at that time, never mind the almost 2 hour drive, one way.Again look at where the information on the old forum came from.Why it was posted, my guess is as good as yours.Again NOBODY at umass was close enough to Maura to call her and ask how she was doing after the 'death in the family' emails and Maura knew this.That is odd to me.Where is the rest of the phone bill and what was on it.We have been given slivers of Mauras life.Whether some maybe true, who knows.We dont know Maura called the Salamones about a room, they dont' remember the call.We dont know why Maura called Stowe V.T.the last 4 calls on Mauras phone were not to anyone that answered.I would like to ask anyone if Maura had another cell phone before the one she got from Sharon Rausch.As Moose pointed out anyone could have checked Mauras messages as no access code was required.Can someone remind me what puts Maura and the saturn in Amherst on Monday feb 09 2004 that has been made public.take care philip

Wowzer wrote:

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I saw a ray of hope last night from Sophie's threads that we would be able to work together but you have just dashed that hope into the ground.
Keep bashing NH and the people elsewhere but you won't do it with me. Yoyr friends and families propert taxes have nothing to do with Maura but may explain why you take pleasure out of bashing NH.

My friends and family's property taxes and the fact that the majority of them are year round residents DO have something to do with Maura. They believe Maura met with foul play just like I do!

Go ahead and believe what you want. I am not happy with the way Maura's investigation has been handled and if you think that's bashing New Hampshire so be it!

Dawn wrote:

What article did White Wash write? I must have missed that one. someone please send me the link. thanks Dawn

Dawn it will come in parts
#1
Journal Opinion February 20, 2008 Editorial
Regaining perspective
It's been over four years since a single car accident on a winter evening on Route 112 in Swiftwater precipitated the disappearance of Maura Murray.
It's easy to forget that to those unfamiliar with our region, but who have become enrapt with the details of the missing woman's case, Haverhill and Grafton County are viewed almost solely through the lens of Maura's case. And for many that view has been less than flattering as Fred Murray's lawsuit against local and state law enforcement agencies has wound through the court system and no answers to the mystery have been provided.
Certainly, the implications of the case are not frivolous and the action poses an interesting legal question: To what extent should a family have access to information collected as part of the search for their daughter, their niece, their sibling, their loved one?
But we're struck by Haverhill Police Chief Jeff Williams' words as he redirected our attention in a piece we published last week. "Williams always strives to get the focus back to what is the most important question in this case," Kelly A. White wrote in the article. "Where is Maura Murray?" On behalf of the defendants in the suit, Attorney General Kelly Ayotte has responded that those records could become the basis of a future criminal investigation in which case confidentiality is of paramount concern. While a plausible explanation, it is easy to see how the Murray family's frustration mounts as the perception increases that no progress is being made into determining Maura's whereabouts and no criminal charges are forthcoming.
But litigation has also posed distractive and in some ways diminished attention to the search for Maura....TBC

The incessant media attention has no doubt worn Swiftwater residents and their neighbors thin, and it is not easily forgotten for them that a young woman is still missing. But for the rest of us, we need to remember the important question: Where is Maura Murray?
After all, searching needs focus.

Part 2 article
Police defend procedure in Murray case
------Early timeline reviewed---
Though four years have now passed, the location and date of Maura Murray's disappearance are still etched in the memory of North Country residents: Route 112 in Haverhill on Feb. 9, 2004.
It is a mystery what happened to Murray after the 21-year-old woman crashed her car and disappeared. And four years of searches, investigations and speculation have seen leads turn to deadends and a family and small New Hampshire town get caught in the middle of a tragic mystery. After four years of speculation about the Maura Murray case, the law enforcement agencies involved want to speak out about the investigation and assure the public that procedures and policies that are used for any investigation were followed in the Maura Murray case.
Haverhill Police Chief Jeff Williams always strives to get the focus back to what is the most important question in this case, "Where is Maura Murray?"
In an interview, Williams took the opportunity to remind the public of the facts from the original case. For Williams, it is important to note that the Haverhill Police Department as well as all the law enforcement involved, handled the investigation according to regular procedure and protocol from day one. And he says that the investigation has been handled properly since Haver Police Department responded to the initial calls about a car accident in Swiftwater.
Williams said that Haverhill Police Department did all they could the night of the accident. Standard procedures were followed and photographs and documentation were made of everything that they found that night. The only thing he said he wished was different that night was that they could have made contact with the Murray family the night of the accident.

Lt. John Scarinza of the New Hampshire State Police added that the combined law enforcement agencies have put in thousands of man hours on this case with no cost spared to find Maura Murray and he added that all agencies have worked well together and within standard policies and procedures expected of them.
As part of an interview with Williams, the Haverhill Police Department provided the following timeline of the early stages of the investigation into the car accident:

On Feb. 9 at 7:29p.m., a 911 call was placed by residents on Wild Ammonoosuc Road about a motor vehicle accident. At 7:46 p.m., Grafton County Dispatch received a call that Sgt. Cecil Smith arrived at the scene. Smith found the vehicle locked and without a driver. He had dispatch run the license plate for the black 1996 Saturn 4-door. He was informed that the car was owned by Fred Murray of Weymouth, MA.
During the first stages of the investigation into the accident, photographs were taken of tire tracks in the snow leading into a stand of trees on the side of the road and showed that the vehicle struck the trees with enough impact to deploy both airbags. Williams noted that taking photographic evidence and documentation at the scene of an accident are standard operating procedure.
Smith later began to question neighbors about the accident. After questioning a school bus driver who stopped to enquire if Maura needed assistance, Smith learned that a woman in her 20's had been seen at the vehicle. According to a statement given the police, the witness stated the woman's speech was slurred and she had to hold on to something while she stood.
"She begged me not to call police," according to the witness' statement

White Wash wrote:

I have a female family member that I feel Fred treated with large amount of disrespect and we'll
leave it at that.
His lack of really thinking
the impact tell a bunch of single female parents in the area a killer is lose and nobody is protecting them only cause them to flood a under staff HPD already with calls that took a way from
his daughter case.
I believe there would be more hard facts if some had allowed LE to do their job.
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It wasn't just your female family member. Ask some of the men what impression they were left with. And not just the ones that live on that corner. Maybe it is time that the real truth is told without the fear of hurting feelings.

part 3

While still on scene, Smith requested that Grafton County Dispatch call the residence listed with the car's registration and to inform local hospitals to be on the lookout for a young woman with a description supplied by one of the witnesses. This broadcast was put out to responding units and the dispatch center called Fred Murray's residence in Massachusetts and left a message. At 7:57 p.m., according to Grafton County Dispatch, Woodsville's Fire Rescue Pumper Truck arrived with the department's officers. They were holding a monthly meeting when they received a call about a car accident in Swiftwater.
cont. JO article
They first cleared the car of any leaking fluids. Woodsville Fire Chief Brad Kennedy said that it is standard procedure with any vehicle accident called in to 911 that fire rescue are dispatched autimatically. There is only one person authorized to turn around a fire department responding to a call-the fire chief.
Once it was ascertained that the driver of the vehicle was not at the scend, Haverhill Police Department, New Hampshire State Police, fire and EMS personnel along with several neighbors began a brief search of the area surrounding Route 112 and Bradley Hill Road.

A local towing company was called in to remove the vehicle, which according to Williams is part of police policy to impound and store in locked facilities any and all evidence. Upon removal of the vehicle from the accident scene, Smith retrieved a Coca-Cola soda bottle with a strong odor of alcohol which was filed as evidence.
At 9:26 p.m., Smith was dispatched to Pike and left the area. Later that evening, at 11 p.m., Smith made a second attempt to phone the residence of Fred Murray, owner of the vehicle, listed on the Department of Motor Vehicle records. He left a second message that the Haverhill Police Department needed to speak with the car's owner.
About the same time, at 11 p.m., Cpl. Byron Charles and Officer Mac Cashin assisted Smith in the accident investigation as well as working on securing a search warrant for the black 1996 Saturn that was now impounded.
The following day on Feb 10, at 9:30 a.m., a search warrant was issued by Judge Timothy McKenna of Haverhill District Court to search the impounded black 1996 Saturn. Charles and Cashin then completed a search of the vehicle

part 4
At approximately 1:30 p.m., a be-on-the-lookout (BOL) communique was issued throughout Vermont, New Hampshire and Massachusetts for Maura Murray.
At 3:30 p.m., Smith returned to duty and called Weymouth Police Department requesting they check the residence listed on the DMV information. They still had not heard from Fred Murray. Weymouth PD instead directed Smith to contact Laurie Murray's phone number.At 3:40 p.m., Smith spoke to Laurie Murray who informed him that the black Saturn belonged to her ex-husband Fred Murray but is driven by their daughter Maura. Laurie gave Smith the number to Maura's cell phone and to her dorm at the University of Massachusetts. Right after that conversation, Smith again tried Fred Murray's phone number and left another message. He also spoke with Hanson Police Department again at 3:51 p.m.
Smith called Maura Murray's sister, Kathleen Murray at 4:40 p.m. requesting a photo of Maura. Kathleen said she would email one to Haverhill Police Department.
At 6 p.m., Grafton County Dispatch was contacted by Fred Murray. And at 7 p.m., Smith called the University of Massachusetts (UM) campus security and requested that they check Maura Murray's dorm room.
Smith was able to speak to Fred Murray at 8 p.m. on Feb. 10. In the initial, official police statement, Fred Murray stated that his daughter, Maura, was depressed and he was fearful for her safety. He informed Smith that she had an accident in Hadley, MA on Feb.7, 2004, wrecking another vehicle of his and totaling thousands of dollar's worth of damage.
Murray told Smith that he hoped Maura wasn't doing the "old squaw walk" which Murray explained was something the two of them often joked about. The squaw walk referred to when it came time for the old Indians to die, they would walk off into the woods and die. Fred Murray requested that HPD call in the FBI, state police and a search began immediately for his daughter.
I will be right back, theres just one more section)....Anne JO article continued)
At 8.25 p.m., Haverhill Police called fish and game authorities to advise of them of a missing person situation and possible search as it had just become apparent that they may have an endangered/missing person.

Haverhill Police Department received a call at 8:40 p.m. from UM campus security to report Maura Murray's belongings were all packed in her dorm room. Campus security had evidencce that she was last seen Sunday morning by a fellow student and that she was carrying a backpack, box of wine and a large hockey bag of beer. Fish and game informed the HPD at 9 p.m. that if the driver was not located by the morning of Feb 11, they would begin a search at daylight.
The next day on Feb 11, fish and game officers, state police, local police, along with family and friends of Maura Murray began one of the first of many searches at the Wild Ammonoosuc Road accident site.
Williams said he contacted the FBI early on and he, the FBI, New Hampshire State Police and UM campus security all met in Keene to confer about the investigation.
After four years of searches and heartache, no answers have been found. It is heart-wrenching for family members, friends and the community where the accident occurred that Maura's whereabouts are not known.
Still, the investigation continues and it will remain open until Maura Murray is found. Scarinza said that there is still the possibility that someday this could possibly become a criminal case.
"If that is where the evidence leads us," he said. "There has been such a push by some to have the case become open to the public. This would totally jeopardize any good investigation done by all agencies involved and who, in reality, would that serve justice to? Certainly not Miss Maura Murray." If you have any information about Maura Murray or the night of the accident, please contact NHSP Troop F at xxxxxxx or the Haverhill Police Department at XXXXXXX

part 3
While still on scene, Smith requested that Grafton County Dispatch call the residence listed with the car's registration and to inform local hospitals to be on the lookout for a young woman with a description supplied by one of the witnesses. This broadcast was put out to responding units and the dispatch center called Fred Murray's residence in Massachusetts and left a message. At 7:57 p.m., according to Grafton County Dispatch, Woodsville's Fire Rescue Pumper Truck arrived with the department's officers. They were holding a monthly meeting when they received a call about a car accident in Swiftwater.
cont. JO article
They first cleared the car of any leaking fluids. Woodsville Fire Chief Brad Kennedy said that it is standard procedure with any vehicle accident called in to 911 that fire rescue are dispatched autimatically. There is only one person authorized to turn around a fire department responding to a call-the fire chief.
Once it was ascertained that the driver of the vehicle was not at the scend, Haverhill Police Department, New Hampshire State Police, fire and EMS personnel along with several neighbors began a brief search of the area surrounding Route 112 and Bradley Hill Road.

A local towing company was called in to remove the vehicle, which according to Williams is part of police policy to impound and store in locked facilities any and all evidence. Upon removal of the vehicle from the accident scene, Smith retrieved a Coca-Cola soda bottle with a strong odor of alcohol which was filed as evidence.
At 9:26 p.m., Smith was dispatched to Pike and left the area. Later that evening, at 11 p.m., Smith made a second attempt to phone the residence of Fred Murray, owner of the vehicle, listed on the Department of Motor Vehicle records. He left a second message that the Haverhill Police Department needed to speak with the car's owner.
About the same time, at 11 p.m., Cpl. Byron Charles and Officer Mac Cashin assisted Smith in the accident investigation as well as working on securing a search warrant for the black 1996 Saturn that was now impounded.
The following day on Feb 10, at 9:30 a.m., a search warrant was issued by Judge Timothy McKenna of Haverhill District Court to search the impounded black 1996 Saturn. Charles and Cashin then completed a search of the vehicle.

You are required to be a year round resident of New Hampshire in order for your signature to be considered valid when petitioning the governenment.

Those whom are familiar with HB 1499 will understand what I'm talking about.

White Wash wrote:

Odd seems Fred was on Nancy recently so who is stopping him?
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Truth is that we can't read his mind - and even if he made a statement that she committed suicide and vocally defended it (the opposite of what he is doing now) it wouldn't change the unknown fact of what actually happened to Maura.

Weather he said that or not is academic - the fact remains that Maura is missing and there is no solid explanation for it thus far.

White Wash wrote:

I have a female family member that I feel Fred treated with large amount of disrespect and we'll
leave it at that.
His lack of really thinking
the impact tell a bunch of single female parents in the area a killer is lose and nobody is protecting them only cause them to flood a under staff HPD already with calls that took a way from
his daughter case.
I believe there would be more hard facts if some had allowed LE to do their job.
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So the real problem is your complaint about Fred.

I hope you can forgive him and move on.

Am I to believe you are the author of the JO article? Or did someone write it for you?

Elsewherebriefly wrote: My friends and family's property taxes and the fact that the majority of them are year round residents DO have something to do with Maura. They believe Maura met with foul play just like I do!
Go ahead and believe what you want. I am not happy with the way Maura's investigation has been handled and if you think that's bashing New Hampshire so be it!
Well whoopie doo!!!!! So some of your family are year round residents and pay high taxes.Seems like you've stated this before. So what!
I'm not happy with a lot of things either but I don't go around acting like an ass and blaming everyone for something I am not happy with.
Call the HPD and the NHSP and tell them how unhappy you are and stop putting the blame where it doesn't belong..

You're a piece of work!
Why ask something you have your mind made up on?
Forgiving is a two a way street.

Snowy White wrote:

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So the real problem is your complaint about Fred.
I hope you can forgive him and move on.
Am I to believe you are the author of the JO article? Or did someone write it for you?

Do you think a serial killer who allow her
to be responsible for her own death?
Isn't that part of the trill of for them?
No telling what would have come of the case
if he had.
This path isn't working out so well.

Benjamin Franklyne wrote:

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Truth is that we can't read his mind - and even if he made a statement that she committed suicide and vocally defended it (the opposite of what he is doing now) it wouldn't change the unknown fact of what actually happened to Maura.
Weather he said that or not is academic - the fact remains that Maura is missing and there is no solid explanation for it thus far.

Wowzer wrote:

Elsewherebriefly wrote: My friends and family's property taxes and the fact that the majority of them are year round residents DO have something to do with Maura. They believe Maura met with foul play just like I do!
Go ahead and believe what you want. I am not happy with the way Maura's investigation has been handled and if you think that's bashing New Hampshire so be it!
Well whoopie doo!!!!! So some of your family are year round residents and pay high taxes.Seems like you've stated this before. So what!
I'm not happy with a lot of things either but I don't go around acting like an ass and blaming everyone for something I am not happy with.
Call the HPD and the NHSP and tell them how unhappy you are and stop putting the blame where it doesn't belong..

Wowzer,

Give it up, your the one who is always picking the petty fights and it's getting old.

White Wash wrote:

Do you think a serial killer who allow her
to be responsible for her own death?
Isn't that part of the trill of for them?
No telling what would have come of the case
if he had.
This path isn't working out so well.
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I don't quite understand this post but I do believe there is a stranger serial predator on the loose.

It has also been stated the person(s) responsible for Maura's disappearance has done it before and will do it again.

Firecat - If the call TO maura pinged Londonberry - that means they know WHO called her. They would need a subpeona to get the info from the incoming caller's phone records. That person would have been - in the vicinity of Lodonberry but not necessarliy in Londonberry. I am certain LE checked what tower she was on when she accepted the incoming call. THAT is the info we need. I think it is bizarre they would tell where the person called from - but not who it was. It is not easy to get phone records without a subpeona.

White Wash wrote:

Ok the round part would be the corner of the bummer yes?
How many hitches have you seen on the corner of
a truck bummer?
It that dent was in the middle of the hood dude
I'm be there but on the corner and how round it
is doesn't work for me.
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Well...dude...I don't see it that way.