Where is MAURA MURRAY

Hello all,

Speaking of the Londonderry, NH, cell phone tower and that mysterious call from that area to Maura´s cell phone in the afternoon of 9th February, 2004. This is geographically near the I-93 between northeast MA and eastern NH.

I believe that the web site "Brian´s Predictions" - previously discussed on this forum - specifically mentions the I-93 in NH and particularly so the West Thornton area in the Pemigawasset River Valley area south of Lincoln/North Woodstock.
There is even a direct reference to a specific address in West Thornton which contains the local municipal offices.
I shall probably be slammed for bringing this up again, but since we are grasping at straws....

WHISTON wrote:

hi Dawn and Firecat.I was told that Muara was asked to leave westpoint and i have no doubt it happened.I have also been told that there were no clinicals that Maura could have attended in Norwwod M.A.at that time, never mind the almost 2 hour drive, one way.Again look at where the information on the old forum came from.Why it was posted, my guess is as good as yours.Again NOBODY at umass was close enough to Maura to call her and ask how she was doing after the 'death in the family' emails and Maura knew this.That is odd to me.Where is the rest of the phone bill and what was on it.We have been given slivers of Mauras life.Whether some maybe true, who knows.We dont know Maura called the Salamones about a room, they dont' remember the call.We dont know why Maura called Stowe V.T.the last 4 calls on Mauras phone were not to anyone that answered.I would like to ask anyone if Maura had another cell phone before the one she got from Sharon Rausch.As Moose pointed out anyone could have checked Mauras messages as no access code was required.Can someone remind me what puts Maura and the saturn in Amherst on Monday feb 09 2004 that has been made public.take care philip

Hi Philip - Who was it that told you Maura was asked to leave WP? Do you feel he/she was a reliable source? You also bring up a good point - if she planned on coming back to UMass, she would have to be prepared to answer all of the condolences from others re: the death in family. If she planned on coming back, she surely must have felt it was worthwhile to lie and deal with the consequences of a lie on top of more lies. Hmmmm....

I've been keeping up with this board, but I've posted very little. I felt discouraged from posting here because of some inflammatory remarks, but I see now this is kind of normal. If I can refrain from sounding arrogant, then perhaps I can contribute something.

As I read and re-read the things you are all saying, taking into account witness statements, and the cold-hard facts (as we know them) there are a few scenarios that keep repeating over and over in my mind.

First, post weathered barn accident (which is mostly agreed as the second of two consecutive accidents, or not an accident at all), we have a witness who claims that she saw a man smoking a cigarette sitting in the passengers seat of the car. My first guess as to who this is would be the construction worker. Question: Do we know if the CW smokes? Now, coming from the POV that Maura may not have met with foul play, is it possible that the CW, knowing Maura is in some kind of trouble (wrecking her car, possibly drinking and driving) he offers asylum in his home, until the cops have come and gone. Questions: Do we know in the sequence of events that witness sees man smoking cigarette in her car? Does it happen before or after her encounter with SBD? Then, in a hurry, she grabs the things that she thinks to take with her and leaves the rest behind.(Not really understanding her state of mind, I cannot attest for the reason she took certain items and left others behind.) It's very possible that she 1.) doesn't care about the objects she is leaving behind 2.) figures that she will have a chance to retrieve them later 3.) doesn't realize that the police will show up and tow her car before she has a chance to retrieve the rest of the items. Maybe, hastily, as they saw Sgt. Smith approaching, they retreat towards his house. Is it possible, that after the police have her car towed, she decides to sleep off a busy day (perhaps even an intoxicated one) on the couch of the CW? Is it possible that if the CW is involved in her disappearance that it wasn't because he killed her, but because the next morning he gave her a lift to her destination? Is it possible that she wanted to disappear, wanted to get away from her family (which is why she hasn't contacted them), and has successfully started a new life somewhere? This would also explain why the CW made up a story (if it is indeed made up) about seeing a person fitting Maura's description sneaking about 5 miles down the road. He didn't want to be an accompliss to her disappearance, but it wasn't because he killed her.

The reason I ask these questions, and state them the way I do is not because I don't believe there is no chance she met with foul play. It's entirely possible, sure. However, anytime a theory on this board comes up that suggests that she didn't meet with foul play, or that her state or mind and/or relationship with her family was less than ideal, the place goes bonkers. I hope that doesn't happen again. But I'd really like to know who out there considers the possibility that she did not meet with foul play. It's such an unpopular opinion here that I am preparing this post while at the same time putting on my fire retardant suit. I'm expecting to be flamed.

I have a lot more I could say. Should I go for it or shut the hell up? Thoughts, anyone?

hi scooter and all anyone that gives us any fact about Mauras prior life is risking a lot and has great courage.Lets leave it at that.Take care philip

Mastermind wrote:

I've been keeping up with this board, but I've posted very little. I felt discouraged from posting here because of some inflammatory remarks, but I see now this is kind of normal. If I can refrain from sounding arrogant, then perhaps I can contribute something.
As I read and re-read the things you are all saying, taking into account witness statements, and the cold-hard facts (as we know them) there are a few scenarios that keep repeating over and over in my mind.
First, post weathered barn accident (which is mostly agreed as the second of two consecutive accidents, or not an accident at all), we have a witness who claims that she saw a man smoking a cigarette sitting in the passengers seat of the car. My first guess as to who this is would be the construction worker. Question: Do we know if the CW smokes? Now, coming from the POV that Maura may not have met with foul play, is it possible that the CW, knowing Maura is in some kind of trouble (wrecking her car, possibly drinking and driving) he offers asylum in his home, until the cops have come and gone. Questions: Do we know in the sequence of events that witness sees man smoking cigarette in her car? Does it happen before or after her encounter with SBD? Then, in a hurry, she grabs the things that she thinks to take with her and leaves the rest behind.(Not really understanding her state of mind, I cannot attest for the reason she took certain items and left others behind.) It's very possible that she 1.) doesn't care about the objects she is leaving behind 2.) figures that she will have a chance to retrieve them later 3.) doesn't realize that the police will show up and tow her car before she has a chance to retrieve the rest of the items. Maybe, hastily, as they saw Sgt. Smith approaching, they retreat towards his house. Is it possible, that after the police have her car towed, she decides to sleep off a busy day (perhaps even an intoxicated one) on the couch of the CW? Is it possible that if the CW is involved in her disappearance that it wasn't because he killed her, but because the next morning he gave her a lift to her destination? Is it possible that she wanted to disappear, wanted to get away from her family (which is why she hasn't contacted them), and has successfully started a new life somewhere? This would also explain why the CW made up a story (if it is indeed made up) about seeing a person fitting Maura's description sneaking about 5 miles down the road. He didn't want to be an accompliss to her disappearance, but it wasn't because he killed her.
The reason I ask these questions, and state them the way I do is not because I don't believe there is no chance she met with foul play. It's entirely possible, sure. However, anytime a theory on this board comes up that suggests that she didn't meet with foul play, or that her state or mind and/or relationship with her family was less than ideal, the place goes bonkers. I hope that doesn't happen again. But I'd really like to know who out there considers the possibility that she did not meet with foul play. It's such an unpopular opinion here that I am preparing this post while at the same time putting on my fire retardant suit. I'm expecting to be flamed.
I have a lot more I could say. Should I go for it or shut the hell up? Thoughts, anyone?

Go for it!

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oo00oo wrote:

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Is this your "expert" ?
Baron, of Los Angeles, believes Murray was picked up by a man passing through the area.
http://www.crimeandjustice.us/forums/lofivers...
"I believe she is no longer with us," Baron said.
Baron, a psychic profiler who helped lead police to finding the body of a man who had committed suicide in a cornfield in the Midwest, has provided Murray's father, Fred, with a description of the person she believes picked up the woman, as well as the type of vehicle.
Fred Murray said Baron also told him there is another woman's body near his daughter's - a victim of the same person. And, Baron told him there have been others.
Murray told the Caledonia Record he does not want too many details released right away so police have time to analyze the information and search possible locations.
He said he spoke with Lt. John Scarinza, who has been in charge of the case, on Friday.

Nope,

Dr. Maurice Godwin, the team of Volunteer Private Investigators for the Molly Bish Foundation, John Philpin, and Ginsburg whom are all experts..

Oh and ya, a former FBI profiler who requested to have his name witheld.

Thanks for asking.

Wowzer wrote:

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It wasn't just your female family member. Ask some of the men what impression they were left with. And not just the ones that live on that corner. Maybe it is time that the real truth is told without the fear of hurting feelings.

It's time.

hi yankee please do not shut the hell up.There is no way on earth that Rick Forcier could not have seen what was going on near his house if he returned home when he says he did.Also there is no way to sit in mrAtwoods driveway in a school bus and not see whatwas goibg on at the saturn, all the better if you have a scanner or school us radio to listen in on P.D.calls.Faith Westman satyed on the phone until sgtSmith arrived .However his vehicle was at the saturn before she called 911.Amherst and Mauras prior life has lots to tell.take care philip

Mastermind wrote:

.... Question: Do we know if the CW smokes? Now, coming from the POV that Maura may not have met with foul play, is it possible that the CW, knowing Maura is in some kind of trouble (wrecking her car, possibly drinking and driving) he offers asylum in his home, until the cops have come and gone. Questions: Do we know in the sequence of events that witness sees man smoking cigarette in her car? Does it happen before or after her encounter with SBD?..... Should I go for it or shut the hell up? Thoughts, anyone?

Hi Mastermind - No - don't shut the hell up! You seem to have a sense of humor that will probably help keep you sane when the "place goes bonkers". We need people to help find Maura - that's what is important here. Keep that in mind as you're putting on your flame retardant suit.
The witness that stated she thought she saw a man smoking, in the front seat with the door open watched Maura until the time the bus driver showed up. I don't know if you've seen this case chart - if not it might answer some other questions you have:
http://docs.google.com/View...

Interesting theory btw - one I never thought of. Something else to think about.....

Dawn just for the record the police
didn't release that.
I found it at the courts.
I gave it to Helena first.
It hasn't been in the press only on
the forums.

Dawn wrote:

I am even more frustrated now that the call was TO her. That tells me the police let that information "out" to hope it would get something be releasing that. She would have needed to missing for awhile and have a good solid case to get the phone company to release that information of the caller. Why would they release that ? The question of the day is who lives close to Londonberry or was in the area at that time. There is a reason they leaked that info.

WHISTON wrote:

hi scooter and all anyone that gives us any fact about Mauras prior life is risking a lot and has great courage.Lets leave it at that.Take care philip

Whiston - thanks for your reply. I respect you not divulging your resource. It does make me wonder however - what would be the risk and why would one need courage to state anything about Maura's prior life???? Does anyone have any thoughts on this without pressuring Whiston to state something he doesn't care to??

Guess my point is we can have all guessed without facts.
So it's been a missing girl to scum bag
to serial killer with no much support on any of them.
This huge merry go round of course people are dizzy.
It should have just been Maura is missing she needs to be found.
The merry go round effect has been a huge damage to this case but that's just my opinion

Benjamin Franklyne wrote:

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I'm not sure of the question - but I am sure that no matter what Fred said, or could of said - I still think that every angle should be looked at IMHO.
I think yes - it could be a serial killer - a heck of an incidence of being at the right place at the right time (from his/her/their point of view) from ours the wrong place.
Problem in finding a solution (but not with the theory) is that no one really saw anything (if that was Maura in the car) not much to go on as far as leads. The exception being Mason discussing the timing of a few witness that should be questioned.
The before scenario discussions however - we have discussed and have some evidence to talk about.

elsewherebriefly wrote:

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Nope,
Dr. Maurice Godwin, the team of Volunteer Private Investigators for the Molly Bish Foundation, John Philpin, and Ginsburg whom are all experts..
Oh and ya, a former FBI profiler who requested to have his name witheld.
Thanks for asking.

I wasn't asking, Bill was. You refused to respond to him. But thank you for revealing your source.

WHISTON wrote:

hi yankee please do not shut the hell up.There is no way on earth that Rick Forcier could not have seen what was going on near his house if he returned home when he says he did.Also there is no way to sit in mrAtwoods driveway in a school bus and not see whatwas goibg on at the saturn, all the better if you have a scanner or school us radio to listen in on P.D.calls.Faith Westman satyed on the phone until sgtSmith arrived .However his vehicle was at the saturn before she called 911.Amherst and Mauras prior life has lots to tell.take care philip

Not necessarily directed to you Whiston but I don't understand - if Maura's prior life has "lots to tell", why in the heck can't it be known? What in God's name is so important that it can't be told when it could help find Maura????

WHITE WASH wrote:

Guess my point is we can have all guessed without facts.
So it's been a missing girl to scum bag
to serial killer with no much support on any of them.
This huge merry go round of course people are dizzy.
It should have just been Maura is missing she needs to be found.
The merry go round effect has been a huge damage to this case but that's just my opinion
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Agree about the dizziness of the merry go round,but how could that cause huge damage?

Funny how some take the high road and some didn't but that's ok it will all
come out on in the end!
Taped footage of certain events will
get released and people can see what
many lived.

Wowzer wrote:

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It wasn't just your female family member. Ask some of the men what impression they were left with. And not just the ones that live on that corner. Maybe it is time that the real truth is told without the fear of hurting feelings.

I don't think people where given enough time to sort things out before the merry go round started then it got dirty
with name calling ect and people just didn't want to get tossed under the media train and just a plain mess.

ScooterD wrote:

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Agree about the dizziness of the merry go round,but how could that cause huge damage?

Oh that will come out one day too!
Lots off the record comfirmation
on that none on that I've heard so without the proof
still a ?

ScooterD wrote:

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Hi Philip - Who was it that told you Maura was asked to leave WP? Do you feel he/she was a reliable source? You also bring up a good point - if she planned on coming back to UMass, she would have to be prepared to answer all of the condolences from others re: the death in family. If she planned on coming back, she surely must have felt it was worthwhile to lie and deal with the consequences of a lie on top of more lies. Hmmmm....

Part 1
The truth needs to come out, and I have a sneaking suspicion that it is being held back by those who desperately want to protect Maura's family. Yes, it's a suspicion, not a fact, to which I am entitled. So, if there is something to hide, what is it? I've seen numerous posts that suggest Fred is not the completely trustworthy and loving person that many people claim. However, I am not suggesting that he knew about her wanting to disappear, but that he may have played a part involuntarily. This may also be the reason why so many locals were bashed on the previous forum, as a way to divert attention from the real problems. Please stay with me before flying off the handle, because I am only speculating. Now, some people have criticized what I said in the past because they felt I was going to far in what I thought Maura might be thinking, feeling, etc. Well, after all of the reading I've done on her, I feel that personally speaking, that I may have had a lot in common with her, and that is what drove me to this board in the first place. Anyone here with a rational mind, or an agenda to deter us from such theories will disagree, much like they did with Mason's attempts towards forensic-astrology, but so be it. I will not try to pass off anything I say is true, just speculation that I am throwing to the wind and hope finds an audience.

So, I believe Maura had an introverted type-A personality (whereas most type-A's are extroverted), which in itself can be a rather confusing thing to live with. On top of that, much like myself, I believe she probably felt a lot of shame when things didn't work out the way she intended, especially in regards to the perception her parents have of her, especially her father. Freudian, maybe? From what I've gathered about her family, she had it worse off than I did, which is probably why I haven't disappeared, because, honestly, there were times I considered it. Anyway, let's suppose, as has already been speculated, that she was asked to leave (or kicked out) of West Point, why? Although answering the question why may be important for determining later motives, I can't answer it, and I really can't speculate, perhaps mental illness, alcoholism, I don't know. I am trying to make a personality judgment/attack here, or participate in slander, I am simply trying to ask the questions and postulate the scenarios that aren’t accepted, as a way of stirring the pot a little, and really getting down into finding Maura, or at least opening a new possibility of what happened to her. So, please, don’t have an anxiety attack when I speculate such things.