Where is MAURA MURRAY

yankee wrote:

Where is this new site?

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yankee wrote:

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Where is this forum located?

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Hi everyone. IIRC correctly, several red trucks were stopped the night Maura went missing. I have yet to learn of the reason as to why. Based on the witness' recount, it didn't sound as if she ran to the police with her suspicion/encounter immediately that night (would assume she volunteered this only after she learned of Maura's disappearance. I guess my question is, if I'm understanding this correctly, what made the police stop "red trucks" the night Maura went missing? Thanks and much respect for your time, good will and efforts for Maura.

sophie bean wrote:

Wowzer, I agree - we CAN discuss this in a reasonable fashion (I think) IF we ignore the clones.
There is plenty of disagreement here, but there's no need of it being so rancorous. What we all have are a few facts and our opinions and theories. For example, I would not by any means say that Maura was definitely a victim of a serial killer. There simply is no proof to make that statement. There's no proof to say that she was drunk, or that she was suicidal, either. I would say that there is a chance that she was either drunk or suicidal, possibly both. Personally, I don't think it likely, but I don't know.
I do not believe that LE did all that they could and should have done.
I believe that witness accounts are frustrating and conflicting. That could just as easily be confusion or any number of other relatively innocent factors.
I'm just looking at posts on this oage and seeing things from the normal people that tell me that we can approach this discussion in a different manner entirely. I'd also say that if a post looks like wilfully distracting nonsense, best to consider it such.
"Are you accusing me of being a clone????" asked three or four times with no answer looks like such a post to me - nothing to do with Maura, just "all about me." Pretty funny, in some ways, since I really have no opinion on the question, or I didn't before.
Also, call me dense, but I hadn't yet picked up that "Benji" is also a nickname for "Benjamin." Gah.

You really are a pompous ass aren't you?

Snowy White wrote:

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I think yankee was asking about Advocators site...yes??

Chris wrote:

Hi everyone. IIRC correctly, several red trucks were stopped the night Maura went missing. I have yet to learn of the reason as to why. Based on the witness' recount, it didn't sound as if she ran to the police with her suspicion/encounter immediately that night (would assume she volunteered this only after she learned of Maura's disappearance. I guess my question is, if I'm understanding this correctly, what made the police stop "red trucks" the night Maura went missing? Thanks and much respect for your time, good will and efforts for Maura.

Once again, like so many other questions we all have, I don't think it was ever known why LE was interested in the red trucks. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong - I just don't recall ever reading anything stating a reason on this forum or others. And yes, I believe RO volunteered the info once she learned about Maura's disappearance.

Mastermind - Mason: Trying to understand... what makes you think that Maura had a father-family from "hell"? Something you read? Heard????
Thanks.

WHISTON wrote:

hi Dawn and Firecat.I was told that Muara was asked to leave westpoint and i have no doubt it happened.I have also been told that there were no clinicals that Maura could have attended in Norwwod M.A.at that time, never mind the almost 2 hour drive, one way.Again look at where the information on the old forum came from.Why it was posted, my guess is as good as yours.Again NOBODY at umass was close enough to Maura to call her and ask how she was doing after the 'death in the family' emails and Maura knew this.That is odd to me.Where is the rest of the phone bill and what was on it.We have been given slivers of Mauras life.Whether some maybe true, who knows.We dont know Maura called the Salamones about a room, they dont' remember the call.We dont know why Maura called Stowe V.T.the last 4 calls on Mauras phone were not to anyone that answered.I would like to ask anyone if Maura had another cell phone before the one she got from Sharon Rausch.As Moose pointed out anyone could have checked Mauras messages as no access code was required.Can someone remind me what puts Maura and the saturn in Amherst on Monday feb 09 2004 that has been made public.take care philip

By whom were you told this?

Regarding the death in the family emails, she emailed her professors. Many professors don't get involved in the personal lives of students, and yes that includes not emailing or calling them to find out how they are after the death of a family member. It's an invasion of privacy, and it crosses a boundary many professors are not comfortable crossing (and many students aren't either).

I have, on occasion, replied to a student's email that I was sorry for their loss. I have never called one to ask how they were. On very rare occasions if a student is usually conscientious about attending class and he or she suddenly stops attending for a number of weeks in a row, I have been known to send out an "everything ok? haven't seen you" email, but as I said that was on very rare occasions (I think I've done it twice) and both with students who had been in several of my classes. I also don't generally reach out until a student has been unexpectedly out of attendance for an extended period of times.

So the fact that no one responded to Maura's emails--which were to professors--is not particularly surprising, from the point of view of a fellow academic.

But I do want to reiterate my first question: from whom did you hear that Maura was asked not to return to West Point? And who asked her?(was it WP? her family? who?) And why do you trust this source more than the family?

Maura's family has no reason to lie. None.

White Wash wrote:

I have a female family member that I feel Fred treated with large amount of disrespect and we'll
leave it at that.

All I can say--not being involved on either end and it not being my place to say anything other than this--to that is I'm genuinely sorry that you feel that this happened to you (and your female family member).

Snowy White wrote:

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So the real problem is your complaint about Fred.
I hope you can forgive him and move on.
Am I to believe you are the author of the JO article? Or did someone write it for you?

Snowy, she wrote it. As she explained earlier today, she ran it by LE to confirm facts and quotes (which is standard practice from what I understand--you always umpteen-double-check your sources) and then the editor....well, edited it.(it's why they get paid the big bucks, lol)

Dawn wrote:

Incoming phone numbers don't show on your bill.

Sure they do.....at least, they show up on mine. Providing, of course, I answer the phone. Which leads me to believe that Maura DIDN'T answer the phone. Otherwise we wouldn't be having to have this conversation. Someone could say, "Yeah, it was her Great Uncle Mortimer calling from Londonderry."

yankee wrote:

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I don't doubt it.
It has never made sense to me why she would leave a prestigious institution like West Point, and a prestigious career,(engineering, being a military officer) and go into nursing, of all things.
Nursing, as much as many people in the field refuse to admit it, is nothing but a blue collar job.(However, that is not the topic of this thread so please don't make this a discussion related to nursing.)

Maybe it's as simple as it wasn't making her happy. Yeah, it's prestigious, but why go through it if it isn't what you want to do with your life? Maybe Maura's life wasn't about prestige but about wanting to help people, and she felt that nursing was more her vocation than chemical engineering.

Not everyone WANTS to be a military officer.

sophie bean wrote:

Also, call me dense, but I hadn't yet picked up that "Benji" is also a nickname for "Benjamin." Gah.

Fine. You're dense. Happy now?:-D

(hadn't occurred to me either. I'm mostly grey, but apparently there's still some blond left after all)

ScooterD wrote:

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Not necessarily directed to you Whiston but I don't understand - if Maura's prior life has "lots to tell", why in the heck can't it be known? What in God's name is so important that it can't be told when it could help find Maura????

And not only that, if you're so upset that Maura's prior life can't be known, why won't you tell us what you DO know, and how you know it?

Mastermind wrote:

"I am trying to make a personality judgment/attack here"
That sentence came out the wrong way, as it should read "I am NOT trying to make a personality judgment/attack here."

I knew that, but it was still one of the funniest typos I've seen here.:-p

FireCat wrote:

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And not only that, if you're so upset that Maura's prior life can't be known, why won't you tell us what you DO know, and how you know it?

Is this directed to me or Phillip?? Cuz if it's for me - I'm really confused!

To be fair -*if* Maura were asked to leave -(first off I know I wouldn't last there as long as she did)

But *if* she were asked to leave, I don't consider it a lie to say it {wasn't right for Maura} <-I don't have the exact quote, but I think that's the jist of what's been said.

I think that is a fair and reasonable statement [even if it were true she was asked to leave {personally - I think that's kind of private}] because sometimes people make something out of nothing.

West point I think has such a high standard, hell, I'd be honored to be asked to leave West Point, in that the honor is already having been there - a step down is still an honor.

A lot different then being kicked out of most Universities.

I don't really see the relevance of her career path choices. Former member of the Corps of Cadets? Former major in basketweaving? It makes no difference to what transpired on a snowy road in the wee hours of the morning. Whatever her long range intentions and short range intentions, whatever her problems with alcohol or automobiles, it was that final spin-out on the road that led to her death. It had nothing to do with her entrance to or exit from West Point. It may be a curiosity as to her motives, but it doesn't relate to her murder. That happened then and there! Somewhere in the immediate area she either accepted a ride from a passing vehicle or approached a nearby home and ran into trouble.

Part 1 of 5
Astrological Analysis and Interpretation
Astrology is complicated. To avoid confusing people with technical astrological jargon, I’m going to summarize my findings and conclusions in plain English and explain the basis for my findings and conclusions in subsequent messages depending on reader interest.
I will begin with a disclaimer. Charts indicate influences that affect human perception and the decisions that people make. People have free will, however, and can choose to go with the flow, so to speak, or resist the influences at work and strike out in a new direction. In other words the future is not written in stone and at any moment a person can change his or her destiny. However, because humans are creatures of habit, they more often than not go with the flow and this lamentable characteristic enables the experienced astrologer to predict the future more accurately and reliably than most people imagine.

Part 2 of 5
At the time of her disappearance, Maura was experiencing intense psychological and emotional turmoil. Her natal chart indicates that her happiness is directly linked to being in a close, loving, affectionate, sexual, and mutually supportive relationship. However, the thrill of new love excites her and she can quickly lose interest in a relationship partner who isn’t spontaneous, playful, sexual, and 100% percent supportive. At the same time, she has a bright and curious mind with a bit of a focus problem. She devours information but is prone to the jack-of-all-trades-and-master- of-none syndrome. She is constantly attracted to new ways of thinking, concepts, and ideas, particularly in the realm of higher education. She’s turned-off by organized religion and gaining new insights into spiritual matters. She has a strong desire to help others who are less fortunate than she and is concerned with issues of personal and global justice. Values, ethics, and justice are extremely important to her. She has very strong will power, determination, and perseverance. She’s stubborn to a fault. Independence and freedom are extremely important to her.
We can see all of these characteristics displayed in her life. I suspect she was an outspoken critic of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan as well as the military industrial complex. No wonder she decided that the Army wasn’t for her and she lost interest in chemical engineering. She went into nursing not to be an officer’s wife, but to be of service to others and she wanted to be a physician’s assistant because she could achieve that goal much sooner and cheaper than going to medical school. She didn’t want a traditional relationship and, although she still loved Billy, she began to realize that their relationship wasn’t going to work out. Their separation and her inner turmoil was taking its toll.