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Mason

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The effects of the transits were driving her to break with the past. She craved change and I doubt that anything satisfied that craving for long except more change. Her practical and grounded nature was under assault and she very likely got caught-up in a torrid affair that explains why she seemed not to be living in her dorm room. She wasnít because she was spending her nights with him.
Who was this man and why did she go to such lengths to hide the relationship? Why did she hide all of this from her family? I suspect her lover was older, possibly a married professor who had a place in town where he stayed during the week and a home out of town where he spent his weekends. She was caught in never-never land living two lives and it must have been difficult with no small amount of guilt and self-condemnation. There is a suggestion in the charts that she was escaping from the stress by indulging in alcohol or drugs.
Mason

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Moving beyond the revelations in the charts and into speculation, I recall a fact that didnít make much of an impression on me when I first read it. Iím referring to the birth control pills that were discovered in her car. I also recall that she had four more pills than she should have had if she had been taking them every day. Now I feel real stupid because it looks like she stopped taking her pills four days earlier, which was Friday.
Did she find out on Thursday that she was pregnant? Did she tell her lover? Was she upset early Friday morning because he told her that he wanted to end the affair? Did he tell her that he wanted her to get an abortion, but she did not want to?
The Vasi theory is weak because she has a strong alibi and it doesnít work unless someone else drove her car and hit Vasi. The fear of civil liability not covered by insurance for a possible wrongful death action may have been enough for to get Maura to sign-on to a scheme to get rid of the car by driving it off a cliff into a lake somewhere in the White Mountains, but a simpler theory is that Maura and her lover decided to get of town for two or three days to talk about their relationship and what to do about her pregnancy. If this is how it went down, her lover would have followed her up north remaining a discreet distance behind and available, if necessary, to help her if the car broke down. Driving north in separate cars would have been a natural extension of their desire to keep their relationship secret. If this theory is true, her lover would have rescued her from the scene of the accident and she would have willingly gotten into his car.
Mason

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If her lover killed her, it would not have been the first time that a married man murdered his pregnant mistress and it certainly would not have been the last time.
Alternatively, maybe her lover wasnít married and they eloped to start a new life together. I see two problems with this scenario. First, why not elope and leave the Saturn in a dorm parking lot? It would have been a much simpler plan. Second, I suspect the cops checked with Sprint to see if any towers registered her pinging phone and the public would have been notified if the answer was yes. Nevertheless, because I want to believe that she is alive and happy somewhere, I have a strong emotional preference for this alternative.
I long ago ruled out suicide as a possibility.

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WHITE WASH

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Friday Dec 19
 
Why no one can comfirm it!
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yankee wrote:
Men may be inexact or even untruthful in ordinary matters and suffer as a consequence only the disesteem of their associates or the inconvenience of unfavorable litigation, but the inexact or untruthful soldier trifles with the lives of his fellow men and with the honor of his government, and it is therefore no matter of pride but rather a stern disciplinary necessity that makes West Point require of her students a character for trustworthiness that knows no evasions." Thus, the Honor System has its roots both in ethical considerations and in practical military necessity.
Honor, as it is understood by the Corps of Cadets, is a fundamental attribute of character. Honor is a virtue which implies loyalty and courage, truthfulness and self respect, justice and generosity. Its underlying principle is truth. It is not a complicated system of ethics, but merely "honest dealing and clean thinking." If a cadet is true in thought, word, and deed, there is no question about his meeting the standards of the Corps. On the other hand, quibbling, evasive statements, or the use of technicalities to conceal guilt are not tolerated at West Point.
Cadets who are found guilty of violations of the Honor Code are either allowed to resign or required to stand trial by court-martial. Cases of trial are comparatively rare, for most erring cadets prefer to leave the Academy quietly. Records of all alleged violations in which the evidence does not warrant trial are kept in a confidential file as long as the cadet remains at the Academy. When he leaves, this file is destroyed.
http://www.west-point.org/users/usma1983/4076...
WHITE WASH

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But when it a Family path FireCat not
so easy to walk from without someone
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Maybe it's as simple as it wasn't making her happy. Yeah, it's prestigious, but why go through it if it isn't what you want to do with your life? Maybe Maura's life wasn't about prestige but about wanting to help people, and she felt that nursing was more her vocation than chemical engineering.
Not everyone WANTS to be a military officer.
WHITE WASH

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Friday Dec 19
 
I have the police log which I tried to scan w/no luck.
The officers where at the Pike school so
they where stopped those speeding coming
through the school is my view.
I don't think it was intended to be red trucks I just think those where the ones speeding and it was a nice HOOK
to keep it going in a direction spun.
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Once again, like so many other questions we all have, I don't think it was ever known why LE was interested in the red trucks. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong - I just don't recall ever reading anything stating a reason on this forum or others. And yes, I believe RO volunteered the info once she learned about Maura's disappearance.
Mason

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The serial killer theory is a cop-out. It should only be regarded as a possibility after all of the more traditional motives for homicide have been investigated and ruled out.

Why, because there is no way to prove or disprove it unless somebody gets caught in connection with another homicide and confesses to killing Maura. It's another way of saying I want to give-up working and thinking and investigating her disappearance.

It's also a way to continue to pretend that Maura was a saint and her family is perfect.

How can anyone seriously believe that during a 6 to 8 minute period on a Monday night in February, Joe the Serial Killer just happened to appear as if by magic on Rte 112 and somehow coax Maura to get into his car?

Whether the SBD was watching or not, he could be seen sitting in his bus. Plus lights were on in houses along both sides of the street. Obviously no one was watching, but that doesn't mean that a hyper-alert serial killer with murder in mind is going to take that risk.

On the other hand, someone she knew could roll up, say "hop in," and be on his way without coming to a stop.

Don't fall for the serial-killer theory. They usually don't take those kinds of chances. It's lazy thinking to give-up and say the boogeyman did it.

Where are your critical thinking skills?
Mason

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From what limited information I have available, Sgt Smith did a very good job investigating Maura's disappearance.

Fred Murray came to town determined to teach the "hicks" a lesson and he charged around shooting his mouth off about all the ways they screwed things up when, in fact, he had no basis of knowledge to make a judgment.

Let's face it. He acted like a jerk.
Mason

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We can excuse him for acting that way by reasoning that he was under a lot of stress and so on, which is true. But that doesn't mean he didn't act like a jerk.

If I'm a cop interviewing him about Maura and he makes a reference to hoping she didn't do the squaw walk, I'm going to ask him what that means because I've never heard that term. When he offers me the same explanation he told the cops, of course, I'm going to think he just admitted that he's afraid she might have committed suicide.

Then, if he's constantly yammering about how incompetent the cops are, I'm going to be asking myself why this jerk is jacking us around when there is no way that we could have prevented her from killing herself since she left the scene of the accident before we even got there.

For hi to later claim that he never said has to be a lie because "squaw-walk" is not a commonly used expression. Are we supposed to believe that the cops made-up that story?

That's ludicrous and this is another instance where Fred Murray acted like a jerk.
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Mastermind - Mason: Trying to understand... what makes you think that Maura had a father-family from "hell"? Something you read? Heard????
Thanks.
Hi Scooter, thanks for your question. I'm just speculating. Something, in my mind, seems seriously off in her family life. Not sure I can quite put my finger on it. I won't try to pull off anything as truth here, as I said before it's impossible to tell the difference between fact and fiction when it comes to this case. Yet, I have a sneaking suspicion that someone in her family knows more than they are letting on. Or perhaps they just know something that we don't and the proper authorities are taking it into consideration. If that is the case, we can reasonably say that maybe it isn't any of our business. I am just putting into words that which many people feel to be an underlying problem. That problem is that it is somehow and for some reason off-limits to speculate Maura's personal problems or any problems she may have had with her family, that in some way led to her disappearance. I don't know why Mason says she had the family from hell, you will have to ask him, but I do agree with him on the possibility, as do many others here, and I believe that it needs to be discussed. Something is off with Fred's account of what happened. People want to freely point fingers at LE and the locals for all the missteps they took, or contradicting information they provided, but when we attempt to examine Fred or Maura this place goes bonkers. Please understand that I am not placing blame, I have no knowledge or authority to do such a thing. I merely offering a possibility of what happened, and trying to open for discussion that is often refused or swept under the rug here on this forum.
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Friday Dec 19
 
hi White Wash.To Borrow from Weepers post posted feb 24 06 on the old forum.It is 540 feet from mrAtwwods porch to where the saturn was actually found .The view is unobscured. The blue ribbon tree is not where the saturn ended up.I think he could see the accident scene.Please look at Advocates new site .It is a thing of beauty. Take care philip
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I don't really see the relevance of her career path choices. Former member of the Corps of Cadets? Former major in basketweaving? It makes no difference to what transpired on a snowy road in the wee hours of the morning. Whatever her long range intentions and short range intentions, whatever her problems with alcohol or automobiles, it was that final spin-out on the road that led to her death. It had nothing to do with her entrance to or exit from West Point. It may be a curiosity as to her motives, but it doesn't relate to her murder. That happened then and there! Somewhere in the immediate area she either accepted a ride from a passing vehicle or approached a nearby home and ran into trouble.
And you know this how? We don't know that she ran into trouble. Many on this forum will claim that her being a victim of foul play is a fact. It is not a fact. Also, we also do not know to what degree the circumstances of her disappearance are connected with her life at WP, UMass, her family, etc., etc., etc., and it is quite possible that determining her motive will shed light on what happened to her.
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Fred Murray also has accused the cops of not trying to contact him for almost 24 hours after Maura disappeared. Sgt Smith tells a different story.

Sgt Smith kept leaving messages at a phone number in Surrey, MA, which corresponds to the address on file per the Saturn's registration. Murray, however was living in Bridgeport, CN and had neglected to update his information, or title the car in Maura's name. He probably didn't title it in her name because the insurance rate would have increased and he probably didn't register the car in CN because it would have cost more money than to keep it registered in MA.

OK, I'm willing to let him slide on that, but to accuse the cops of not trying to reach him under those circumstances is beyond the pale and yet another example of acting like a jerk.

I'm not saying he always acts like a jerk, but I believe this case would have been solved a long time ago if he had acted with grace and dignity instead of trying to set the whole county on its ear.

What in the Hell was he thinking?
Mason

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I'm pretty sure I've figured this case out, at least theoretically and I'm sure I could determine the perp's identity, if there wasn't such a sacrosanct veil of martyrdom wrapped around the Murray family.

This situation is beyond frustrating.
Mason

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In message 10540, which is second from the top on this page, I wrote ;

"Sheís turned-off by organized religion and gaining new insights into spiritual matters."

I meant to write

She's turned-off by organized religion and turned on by gaining new insights into spiritual matters.

Apologize for the mistake.

I have a very high degree of confidence that my analysis of her psychological and emotional state is accurate. Hopefully, we'll know within the next couple of months whether my astrological analysis is correct.
White Wash

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What is the site? Thanks!
Sorry there is a tree line that runs along the property line of Atwoods.
How can Weeper say that when there is a tree line there!
I will see if the current owners would allow me to take some shots from there property ok.
I always wanted to recreate the accident site.
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hi White Wash.To Borrow from Weepers post posted feb 24 06 on the old forum.It is 540 feet from mrAtwwods porch to where the saturn was actually found .The view is unobscured. The blue ribbon tree is not where the saturn ended up.I think he could see the accident scene.Please look at Advocates new site .It is a thing of beauty. Take care philip
Mason

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If Maura deliberately disappeared to be rid of her family, there is no perp and she's probably living with the man who helped her to pull-off the disappearance. This likely means someone else disappeared.

Keep in mind that this person doesn't have to be connected with UMass, or a resident of Amherst, so it would be worth checking out all of the missing person's reports filed within 30 days of 2/9/2004 and 100 miles of Amherst, including the area around Londonderry (where the cell call to her originated late Monday afternoon or early evening) and Northampton where she supposedly went for clinicals only there supposedly weren't any clinicals there. I may have that name wrong but it starts with an N.

I hope to God that's what happened!

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Mason

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I see no reason at this point to believe this case can't be solved within the next 60 days.
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White Wash

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Friday Dec 19
 
Sorry just want to keep this clear!
I found it in a research quest of the court
files.
elsewherebriefly wrote:
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Dawn,
Someone (a friend of White Wash's I think) went to the courthouse and was able to retrieve it from the public files.
I don't believe NHSP made it public. It was made public here on this forum.
Londonderry is just below Manchester above the NH/MA border.

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Firecat,

Thanks for confirming my post regarding the Murray family not being informed about the first press conference that was held by LE those first few days.

I'll be sure to scour the net for that particular article.
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