Where is MAURA MURRAY

just me wrote:

Kathleen said there was nothing really that could get Maura crying like thAT ABOUT THEIR PHONE CALL AND IF ANYTHING..........THAT SHE THOUGHT MAURA MIGHT HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET OUT OF WORKING HER WHOLE SHIFT.

This is interesting because this is something I had never heard about Maura before. At least I don't remember hearing that she might do something like this. This is speculation from her sister?

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WTF wrote:

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You have me at a complete loss. I don't know who you are. I didn't know about the attempts on your sisters life and I didn't know anyone was banned from the other forum. How were you banned? Why? I also didn't know if you were banned you couldn't read information.
I am interested if someone can find some written documentation on the supposed statements made about the rag.
I looked over the 3 pages of Smiths report and it looks like what it was. An accident with someone running away and probably catching a ride from the location. I have read that is a pretty common occurance in particular when the driver has been drinking.
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When I try to access info it says my IP has been banned. I had also been deleted as a member, no idea why and that made getting my PMs and saved info impossible. I am just somebody who feels a connection to Maura. She went missing at a time my own life was in danger because of my sister. Because of Maura I was on high alert to my surroundings and I have to thank Maura somehow, hard to explain. Some people like Mcsmom though have a great collection of notes and I hope she will show what Smith had to say about the rag and also the avoidance that Maura was even driving.....that's always bugged me.
I have to go, back tonight

WTF wrote:

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This is interesting because this is something I had never heard about Maura before. At least I don't remember hearing that she might do something like this. This is speculation from her sister?
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Yes, it was in a couple of articles that have now been taken down, etc. There's a trucking board though that has every article just about, saved day by day. Anyone have that link?

Here are some reasons to suppose, just tentatively, that Maura's Saturn could have hit Vasi: 1) The Saturn and its driver were both a short distance from the hit-and-run. 2) The damage to the Saturn is consistent with its having hit a pedestrian, at least to someone looking only at the photos and who is not a specialist in motor vehicle crashes. 3) It is apparently unclaimed, at least recently, that the Saturn's damage pre-dates Thursday, Feb. 5. 4) Maura had a serious "crying jag" following a phone conversation, approximately an hour after Vasi was discovered. 5) The Saturn is found, without any normal explanation, in Haverhill NH, three hours north of Amherst, four days after Vasi was hit. 6) A PI team concluded that the Saturn probably sustained damage as the result of a previous and recent collision. 7) A truck, likely with Mass. plates and reported to be have been driven in an usual way, was spotted near the Haverhill crash scene immediately prior to police response.

The chief and perhaps only reason to think Maura was not driving the Saturn late Thursday night is the statement by her supervisor, Ayotte, that Maura did not have enough time to leave her post, hit Vasi, and return to her post within the 20 minute checks made by Ayotte. But that does not mean Ayotte is correct about the time required for Maura to have hit Vasi. And it does not mean someone else wasn't driving the Saturn.

Assuming the Saturn hit Vasi, and Maura was not the driver, and the Saturn's damage was fresh, the driver would have been compelled to tell Maura about hitting Vasi because the new damage was consistent with having hit him and the incident would likely have been reported in the next day's papers. Given the timing of the Vasi hit-and-run, how else could the new dent and windshield crack be explained to Maura? Therefore, the driver almost certainly told Maura about hitting Vasi, thus explaining Maura's "crying jag."

If Maura was not the driver, she could be expected to keep quiet about a possibly fatal hit-and-run for only three reasons. 1) Maura chose to protect the driver because the driver was uniquely close to Maura. Who else would Maura feel compelled to protect instead of report? 2) Maura feared being reported to LE by the Saturn's driver - someone who could make that claim without fear of being contradicted. 3) Maura was severely threatened with revenge by the driver or the driver's confederate.

Reason 3 seems the least likely.

Even if it's only a theory, susceptible to later contradiction, the hit-and-run scenario at least has the virtue of being, potentially, a plausible and nearly complete explanation. Is there another theory with this much support that can explain as much? If not, then why the effort to keep Haverhill under a microscope while deflecting any curiosity about Amherst?

One more thing… Massachusetts law holds both the operator and the vehicle's owner responsible for the operator's violations. For a limited period of time.

JMLH, thank you for posting your story. I am so sorry that you endured such a terrifying ordeal. I think that Silky referred to the "Interstate Man" - serial rapist and possibly killer - I think that I mentioned it here a while ago. I believe that she said this was in the late 80's or early 90's.
If the man who attacked you was indeed responsible for some or all of the CT Valley killings, as well as the attack on Ms. Barowski.
Why was he released?
There are many other disappearances and unsolved murders in the area since 1999, including Maura's, and he sounds like a person of interest (at least) to me.
Thanks again for writing.

Wowser, I'll try not to let some peoples' responses force me to leave, if you do too. Let's continue as usual --- you have a lot to offer!

Beagle --- the timing of the hit and run and Maura's emotional breakdown are so coincidentally close (maybe even just 40 minutes). It's years too late to check the area (Triangle and Mattoon?)where Vasi was found for damaged poles, etc. if the driver swerved after the hit and run. Still not 100% sure he was hit --- he doesn't remember and says he could've been thrown out of a car, but he wouldn't have gotten into one with just anyone.... and his injuries suggest being hit by a car, Vasi said.

To break down crying rather than yelling (and/or crying) at the person who borrowed your car and had a hit and run, that person would have to have been very special to Maura. Otherwise, wouldn't Maura have been asking, Why did you leave the scene? Why? We need to go to the police and tell them what happened!

BTW, i read a number of times that the "rag in the tailpipe" was a somewhat clean small towel from Maura's trunk. Don't know what that means for imagining an abductor who took the time to go into the trunk to look for a towel/rag??? There's a tight timeline for Maura getting up
north, but there seems to be close to 1/2 hour for something to have happened between a "first" accident (if there was one, a person heard it on the police band but it was not in the released Sheriff's log) and the weathered-barn snowbank. A P.I. on the case said he thought there was a first accident within a mile or so of the snowbank.

"Local Yocal" - if, may God forbid, your sister disappeared and you were involved in a search where she apparently went missing - a search where the possibility of finding God knows what was high - do you think you would "act odd"? Would that mean that you were responsible for her disappearance, willfully witholding evidence from your own family in their distress - or would you simply be as fearful and sad as any human being would be in that situation?

quija wrote:

To break down crying rather than yelling (and/or crying) at the person who borrowed your car and had a hit and run, that person would have to have been very special to Maura.

Either very special or in a position to convince LE that Maura drove the Saturn. If the Saturn, driven by someone other than Maura, did hit Vasi, this would explain why Maura did not tell anyone. Not to mention the driver's obvious interest in seeing Maura disappear. At least for a while.

Given the statue of limitations issue, why is it not possible that Maura simply disappeared in order to avoid jail time for a hit-and-run that looked, for at least two weeks, like it might turn into a homicide charge? Maybe the Saturn was driven north, spun out in Haverhill on its way to a further destination, and was abandoned because of the presence of Atwood and Monahan? Maybe Maura took off from Amherst in the opposite direction? There's no reason to absolutely assume Maura was abducted in Haverhill. If the Saturn hit Vasi, almost anything could have happened to Maura.

I get your point. Sorry I ever said a thing.

LO YO

sophie bean wrote:

JMLH, thank you for posting your story. I am so sorry that you endured such a terrifying ordeal. I think that Silky referred to the "Interstate Man" - serial rapist and possibly killer - I think that I mentioned it here a while ago. I believe that she said this was in the late 80's or early 90's.
If the man who attacked you was indeed responsible for some or all of the CT Valley killings, as well as the attack on Ms. Barowski.
Why was he released?
There are many other disappearances and unsolved murders in the area since 1999, including Maura's, and he sounds like a person of interest (at least) to me.
Thanks again for writing.

SB- I really don't understand how this man keeps being set free. Any info I have I had to contact the state or find out in my own ways.It wasn't until I went through the freedom of info act did I find out the times he was released. When he was arrested the officer told me he had spent time in jail for stabbing a woman many times and leaving her in a dumpster.I'm unsure where that happened but he came from Alabama. In his notebooks he wrote about beating a woman and dumping her young child in the river.and other horrible things. I spoke with our town's chief of police last week about how I wished that his stories could be looked into. The chief seemed genuinely interested
and said that he would see what he could find out.
As of this morning according to the BOP inmate finder page he has recently been transferred to Oklahoma and release date is 3/09. I will look at my newspaper copies later.

PS..I don't know how they get the isp info but I am writing from Bridgton Me.

jmlh, Thank you for coming forward with your story and very important information. It takes a lot of courage. There is no telling why isps do not give the right address! You might as well laugh at that one! lol

no nonesense wrote:

jmlh, Thank you for coming forward with your story and very important information. It takes a lot of courage. There is no telling why isps do not give the right address! You might as well laugh at that one! lol

If you're talking about town names, ISPs don't give the right address because it gives the address of the town you're pinging (or dialing into) not necessarily the address where your computer is parked on a desk. This is particularly true in smaller towns or rashes of suburbs, or municipalities that share services. HTH.

BeagleFart wrote:

Given the statue of limitations issue, why is it not possible that Maura simply disappeared in order to avoid jail time for a hit-and-run that looked, for at least two weeks, like it might turn into a homicide charge? Maybe the Saturn was driven north, spun out in Haverhill on its way to a further destination, and was abandoned because of the presence of Atwood and Monahan? Maybe Maura took off from Amherst in the opposite direction? There's no reason to absolutely assume Maura was abducted in Haverhill. If the Saturn hit Vasi, almost anything could have happened to Maura.

Maura's vehicle was never in an accident until Feb.9,2004. Theres no reason to absolutely assume that Maura was not abducted from Haverhill.

paris..... you are correct in what Smith allegedly said about the rag.

100% correct.

Thanks mcsmom and didn't Weeper say the crack happened on the inside of the windshield? I just don't remember....

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>Maura's vehicle was never in an accident until Feb.9,2004. Theres no reason to absolutely assume that Maura was not abducted from Haverhill.

Correct. There is no reason to absolutely assume Maura was not abducted from Haverhill. Or from anywhere else. Or even abducted. Very little about Maura's disappearance is known for sure.

How is it known that the Saturn did not sustain any damage prior to February 9? If it can be established as fact that no damage to the Saturn occurred before Feb 9, that would be a really huge help.

BeagleFart wrote:

Given the statue of limitations issue, why is it not possible that Maura simply disappeared in order to avoid jail time for a hit-and-run that looked, for at least two weeks, like it might turn into a homicide charge? Maybe the Saturn was driven north, spun out in Haverhill on its way to a further destination, and was abandoned because of the presence of Atwood and Monahan? Maybe Maura took off from Amherst in the opposite direction? There's no reason to absolutely assume Maura was abducted in Haverhill. If the Saturn hit Vasi, almost anything could have happened to Maura.

If the Saturn hit Vasi then there would be some type of evidence on the Saturn to prove this idea of yours! All your doing is giving false hope that Maura is ok after 4 1/2 years

Where was Maura seen with the man in the Painters pants with the combed back hair and small girlie type hands?
What was that date?