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gvmeabrk

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Friday Dec 26
 
Just a Thought wrote:
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Weeper, I'm glad you brought that up and mentioned that. Although you didn't make it explicit, other investigators, both private and in LE, along with Fred Murray have all unanimously agreed that she was abducted to some extent, and from that statement, I presume you believe the same. Every single detail in this case makes it blatantly obvious that there was some degree of foul play involved with her disappearance - intelligent, successful, engaged college women about to graduate and move away from home don't end up intentionally running away, despite what those with limited mental capacities think. However, because of the simple fact that no witness saw exactly what happened to Maura in those few moments, it leads some to conjecture the most far-fetched, thoughtless, senseless theories, many of which have been posted in this forum. Given how sparsely populated this area is, it's no surprise nobody saw what happened in those few minutes. Had ONE witness been there to see what happened to her, not a single one of the absurd theories into her disappearance would have arose. But because nobody saw, people will ignore the factual details and use whatever imagination to come up with the most far fetched theories. She had the same lifestyle that any average female college student has, but because she disappeared, people are magnifying whatever issues she was dealing with at the time and turning them into a motive for running away and ignoring the fact that nearly every college student in the country at a major university goes through the exact same issues.
The sources I have within this investigation tell me that authorities have a suspect that they are monitoring. They probably have enough evidence to win an indictment in front of a grand jury but are not absolutely certain about winning a conviction at a trial. I believe they are waiting to establish more evidence before they bring it to a grand jury.
I pray you are corect! Tahnk you for your statement. Hope it is true...
gvmeabrk

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yikes forgive my spelling mistakes.
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Mason wrote:
RE: Fools Gold's question about disposing of a body.
"Travel to a good dump site despite the known risks on the assumption that you can pull a "lover's lane" act or "lost" routine if questioned?"
Confucious say, "Wise man not make-out with dead body."
In my listing of various possible options for disposing of a body in a rural area while knowing that some sort of search is underway, the pulling a lover's lane act reference referred to using a female co-conspirator as cover while driving the concealed body to a dump site. A local person knows how few cops there are in a rural area and how long it would take them to organize a search. A local person might well risk driving with a corpse concealed in the vehicle if that local person can appear to be "normal" if he does happen to encounter a cop or a game warden.
peripeteia Nova Scotia

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Saturday Dec 27
 
Thanks Weeper for you sane and sound words regarding this investigation. Weeper do you know where the first accident might have happened, I think you said, 1-3 miles from the accident site?
Can you be more specific, or do you know?

I have spent all night researching where Maura might have been going to stay...and searched Youth Hostels, which range in price from 25.00
-35.00 dollars. It seems to me that Maura would not have splurged to stay in an expensive hotel
as Fred states, she was extremely frugal.

It seems that the most likely place to stay if
Maura was headed towards vermont would be in Barre
given that she was looking for directions to Burlington and Berkshire. The distance to Burlington or Stowe seems too great to travel as it was already getting late 7 p.m., and thinking
Maura likely would stay somewhere on Monday and go to her destination on Tuesday.

Looking at the map, it is possible to have made a wrong exit, turning the opposite way to Swiftwater
but meant to go to Barre/Montipelier way. I can
see myself making that mistake or simply too tired to go on and decided to look in Swiftwater if there were any reasonable places to stay.

This theory only holds up if Maura was not abducted from a site say on the main highway,
i,e, White River Junction, a truck stop on I-91.

If that be the case then the likely reason for Maura's car ending up the place it was is because the perpetrator live within say a five mile radius
of the accident. Or across the boarder in Vermont, dump the car in another state.

Is my thinking off base?
peripeteia Nova Scotia

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Saturday Dec 27
 
Beagle:

Interesting you state you are from South Deerfield. I found that the Dectective at the
University of Mass is from South Deerfield? Curious, he has a son, actually saw pictures of
both on the internet tonight, blog from Amherst.

Do you know these people? Wondering if the Detective investigated Maura's disappearance?

He stated on the blog that there 550 cameras
at the University campus in Amherst, gee allot
of stuff you can see from those cameras?

thinking out loud:

From the get-go, I wondered if something yukky happened to Maura at the University, and the University attempted to cover this up, or an employee of the University acting on their own, or a student at the University. For example, Maura died somehow, and a self appointed clean up person dumped her body and made like she was headed for the hills either to throw suspicion away from themselves or to save the reputation of the University.

Ironically, all the places Maura looked for were
ski resort places, and since Maura doesn't apparently ski allot or at all and certainly could not afford to do so at that point in time in her life however, one might think a
beautiful co-ed who is an athlete might ski, thus
creating a rouse to make like she was going on a ski trip.

My guess is if this happened, the parties involved
in disposing of her remains likely did so near where they lived, as they would know the area.

Also there is a youth hostel in Deerfield? Wonder if Maura was headed there, it was cheap, 25.00 a night. Can't bet that for accomodation do you know of the place?

I have never believed that Maura embarked on such a trip, the car malfunctioning, she had never really drove in the winter, likely only had all season tires on, had little money, unfamiliar with the area, never ran off before and did not go on adventures herself, did not tell anyone, and the most relevant fact Maura allegedly left at
dusk. If an inexperienced driver was heading for the hills, they would have left early in the morning, or at least by noon.

If someone could explain to me what took Maura to where her car was found, then I could dispense with this nagging feeling that it was not Maura in the car at the Weatherbarn. But no one seems to know?

have any ideas on what I wrote
peripeteia Nova Scotia

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#11033
Saturday Dec 27
 
Also to add to the above, whatever took Maura away
from school had to be important as she would have to make up the clinical time, and since she was due to start work in Oklahoma, this would have put a hugh cramp in her plans, and also additional expenses, having to stay another week at school, and yadda yadda ya!

There also was a political campaign going on in Burlington at the time, wonder if someone offered Maura a job for a week in the campaign, a easy way to make extra money...get her car fixed, get a new car??
peripeteia Nova Scotia

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Saturday Dec 27
 
Thinking out loud:

In the hansonexpress series written by Maribeth Conway, Fred allegedly stated that there was a beer bottle in the back of the car, and the window was down slightly.

In the first week that Maura went missing an article appeared in the newspaper stating that
there was a beer bottle in the car, and that the car was slightly askewed into the road. I have never been able to retrieve that news article again. I am wondering perhaps if it was written in comments on line from viewers in the comments section. This person also stated that there was a man smoking a cigarette in the car, and to date the only person publically to state this was Faith Westman, but since she is not the one to likely state this as she did not go out to the car to see a beer bottle, who else could have stated this? Did someone else see a man at the car? Is this another silent witness, other than the one initally referred to, which we now know is Marrott, and allegedly there was another silent witness on Bradley Hill Road, although Marrott lives close to Bradley Hill Road...and the two silent witnesses might be one, but was there another who stated they saw the beer bottle and a man smoking a cigarette. There has never been a newspaper article that I have found since that states the car was slight askewed onto the road.... I'd love to know where lost stuff lives in cyberland...
peripeteia Nova Scotia

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#11035
Saturday Dec 27
 
Faith Westman did state that she saw a man in the car smoking, however she never made any mention about a beer bottle and as far as we know she did not go out to the scene of the accident? Sorry for the confusing post above...

Who else saw a man at the scene smoking a cigarette?

Did anyone else in Faith Westman's household go out to the car?
peripeteia Nova Scotia

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Saturday Dec 27
 
At a University in this province, there were at least a dozen reported rapes and sexual assaults. I was Director of a Youth Sexual Health Centre and this was made know to me by the director of the women's centre at the University, and I was invited to speak to the women in the residences.

It was not specifically made known to me who the victims were but my purpose was to empower the women to come forward to tell. Well I guess they did tell, and nothing was done by the President, however the board of trustees took another view of things.

As it turned out, the President of the University ( American) was covering up this fact, as the perpetrator was a star football player (american from a rich family) and a great number of americans went to the University at the time due to the exchange on the dollar and that our Universities are much cheaper. The president of the university did nothing because every american would have yanked their daughters out of the school pronto, and would have placed the University in a poor light to everyone.

Well something was done, the president was fired, and replaced by a woman, well heads fell then. The athletic director and football coach were fired because they knew what was going on and covered for their coverted football star.

Nothing was ever mentioned in the news, not the rapes, not the people being fired or replaced, not one word, yet every woman on campus and likely the men knew who the perp was, I even knew who he was.

So no one please tell me that Universities do not cover things up to protect their reputations. I am not saying that this happened in Maura's case, but it is food for thought. That something could have happened to Maura at the University of Mass.

At the University I refer to is small in a country setting. However, the University I went to is a CAtholic women's university (at the time)
and one girl was raped there, the school closed for the week. Quite the difference of attitude and approach. The perp was caught and set to jail.
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Peri,

Silky/Beth who lived in Lebanon, NH said from the beginning that it would not be inconceivable that Maura heading on Route 91 North from Amherst, MA up into VT, missed the very confusing intersections of White River Junction where Route 89 turns West towards Burlington, VT.....Beth and I thought that she continued on 91 North, by mistake. From what I can remember, it was said that the family usually used Route 93 North from Eastern MA into NH. Using 91, from Western MA would be an unfamiliar travel route..and especially in the dark. Dark after 5PM in February (hate that)

All I can say is what I have said from the beginning...the damage to the Saturn didn't occur 100+ miles prior to Route 112, off of 302/10 in Woodsville, NH Maybe it happened somewhere
between Exit at PnH Truck Stop at Wells River, VT. State or Town LEs would have, or should have noticed.....this headlight damage......OR as the Saturn's hood didn't look latched....it would/could have flown up at highway speed
of 60 - 70 mph......(Been there...done that) don't know at 25 - 30 mph.
Bottom line is that Maura met with disaster nearby Woodsville.

I am also glad that Weeper checked in...nice to know...really know..that they're workin' on it!!!!
and BTW...thank you Frank........

To: Just a Thought.,.......Yes...agree... .no intrigue....just a young lady wanting to regroup....With her money in hand....$280 ish dollars...2 nights in cheap motel..? Woodsville..$50-75 per night..?

Gads, Peri..I can't keep up with you .....

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I've been reading this site for awhile. It seems, afterall, that some of you know, or claim to know, what happened to Maura. I hope that your claims that she did indeed meet with foul play and that you know who the perp is (but are not saying because that would jeapordize the investigation) are just not attempts at concealing some other truth or information regarding the investigation. I hope that Weeper, Det. Columbo, and Just A Thought, etc. can be trusted -although I am not convinced because I obviously have a limited mental capacity. In other words, in regards this being a recovery mission, I'll beleive it when I see it. I'll believe it when someone is arrested and put on trial. Just because someone claims to be a detective or private investigator doesn't make it so, and even if it so, it doesn't mean they are good at what they do or that they are correct in their investigations. I am curious though, why that it takes someone with a limited mental capacity to consider scenarios where Maura didn't meet with foul play? Why so judgmental. I beleive it to be much more limtied to suggest that in NO WAY could Maura run away, because she was way too successful for that. Puh-leeze. Anyone can run away if they want, success or not. Something catastrophic or heartbreaking may have been going on in her life and they could have trumped anything good or successful that she had going on. I guess I just happen to agree with some other posters, who are usually bashed on this site, that nothing is how it seems. Just my two cents.
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doublehorse wrote:
I've been reading this site for awhile. It seems, afterall, that some of you know, or claim to know, what happened to Maura. I hope that your claims that she did indeed meet with foul play and that you know who the perp is (but are not saying because that would jeapordize the investigation) are just not attempts at concealing some other truth or information regarding the investigation. I hope that Weeper, Det. Columbo, and Just A Thought, etc. can be trusted -although I am not convinced because I obviously have a limited mental capacity. In other words, in regards this being a recovery mission, I'll beleive it when I see it. I'll believe it when someone is arrested and put on trial. Just because someone claims to be a detective or private investigator doesn't make it so, and even if it so, it doesn't mean they are good at what they do or that they are correct in their investigations. I am curious though, why that it takes someone with a limited mental capacity to consider scenarios where Maura didn't meet with foul play? Why so judgmental. I beleive it to be much more limtied to suggest that in NO WAY could Maura run away, because she was way too successful for that. Puh-leeze. Anyone can run away if they want, success or not. Something catastrophic or heartbreaking may have been going on in her life and they could have trumped anything good or successful that she had going on. I guess I just happen to agree with some other posters, who are usually bashed on this site, that nothing is how it seems. Just my two cents.
doublehorse:
Greetings!
Sure anything might have happened. I believe the detectives can be trusted, I have researched as to who they are, and considering they are working for nothing, their intentions seem honourable and trustworthy. Over time they have proved their weight in gold and without their assistance Maura's case I believe would be in limbo at this time. But it is not, is and ongoing investigation, which we know to be true.

I personally know something of missing persons, my Uncle, George Packer went missing labour day week-end, 1961, he was allegedly seen once in the late 70's in a bar in California, a friend of his anonymously called my Grandmother as she was the only Packer listed in the directory, and stated he has seen George.

Anyone can run away, most certainly, however usually one has a compeling reason, my Uncle's was gambling debts. The people he owed money to likely threatened his life.

The collective WE cannot find a compeling reason why Maura might have run away, although some state Fred and family are hiding something, I personally don't believe this is true.

Given the lack of evidence to prove she ran away compared to the evidence we know, the most likely conclusion is that she was abducted.

I'd love to think that Maura has joined us Canuck's in the cold country and is living a lovely life with the American draft doggers up in the Mountains or whatever, secret love etc.. there is nothing to prove that she ran away from her life permanently.

It seems unlikely Maura could or would stand by and watch the heart ache her absence is causing those she loves.

It is obviously she was troubled, but I doubt that it was significant enough that she would
simply throw away her life, walk away and not look back. Of course the options of opinions as to what happened to Maura is a dice-throw, from all I've read over the last 5 years, it would seem as though Maura met with foul play. If she ran away it is a long shot, not impossible but not likely or probable given what is known.

You are entitled to your opinion,I disagree with you, and have not bashed you. Keep on posting and asking questions, sooner or later the collective consciousness and work of many will solve what happened to Maura.
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after thought
I doubt that the police would spend monies, energy, time and waste manpower if there existed
an inkling that Maura ran away, also the investigators, police, and Fred would have taken
a different course long ago, and they have not moved the search more than 5 miles away from the scene of the accident site in a long time, at least that I am aware of, which is limited by distance and knowledge.

Keep in mind we are not privy to what has been investigated, such as forensics, re: DNA and fingerprints in car, on airbags, beer bottle, coke bottle under car with strong alcohol smell, no one is privy to this other than state law enforcement.
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Saturday Dec 27
 
doublehorse wrote:
I've been reading this site for awhile. It seems, afterall, that some of you know, or claim to know, what happened to Maura. I hope that your claims that she did indeed meet with foul play and that you know who the perp is (but are not saying because that would jeapordize the investigation) are just not attempts at concealing some other truth or information regarding the investigation. I hope that Weeper, Det. Columbo, and Just A Thought, etc. can be trusted -although I am not convinced because I obviously have a limited mental capacity. In other words, in regards this being a recovery mission, I'll beleive it when I see it. I'll believe it when someone is arrested and put on trial. Just because someone claims to be a detective or private investigator doesn't make it so, and even if it so, it doesn't mean they are good at what they do or that they are correct in their investigations. I am curious though, why that it takes someone with a limited mental capacity to consider scenarios where Maura didn't meet with foul play? Why so judgmental. I beleive it to be much more limtied to suggest that in NO WAY could Maura run away, because she was way too successful for that. Puh-leeze. Anyone can run away if they want, success or not. Something catastrophic or heartbreaking may have been going on in her life and they could have trumped anything good or successful that she had going on. I guess I just happen to agree with some other posters, who are usually bashed on this site, that nothing is how it seems. Just my two cents.
doublehorse--hi. Yes indeed Weeper and Det. Columbo are, in fact, licensed PIs.

As for the rest of your post, I can't comment on it. But I wanted to confirm that one fact.:)
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Saturday Dec 27
 
Thanks for the response!

If a suspect has been identified, I hope they are able to put together a case and arrest him soon.

Any guesses as to who this may be?
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Peri,
Silky/Beth who lived in Lebanon, NH said from the beginning that it would not be inconceivable that Maura heading on Route 91 North from Amherst, MA up into VT, missed the very confusing intersections of White River Junction where Route 89 turns West towards Burlington, VT.....Beth and I thought that she continued on 91 North, by mistake. From what I can remember, it was said that the family usually used Route 93 North from Eastern MA into NH. Using 91, from Western MA would be an unfamiliar travel route..and especially in the dark. Dark after 5PM in February (hate that)
All I can say is what I have said from the beginning...the damage to the Saturn didn't occur 100+ miles prior to Route 112, off of 302/10 in Woodsville, NH Maybe it happened somewhere
between Exit at PnH Truck Stop at Wells River, VT. State or Town LEs would have, or should have noticed.....this headlight damage......OR as the Saturn's hood didn't look latched....it would/could have flown up at highway speed
of 60 - 70 mph......(Been there...done that) don't know at 25 - 30 mph.
Bottom line is that Maura met with disaster nearby Woodsville.
I am also glad that Weeper checked in...nice to know...really know..that they're workin' on it!!!!
and BTW...thank you Frank........
To: Just a Thought.,.......Yes...agree... .no intrigue....just a young lady wanting to regroup....With her money in hand....$280 ish dollars...2 nights in cheap motel..? Woodsville..$50-75 per night..?
Gads, Peri..I can't keep up with you .....
Shack you know the expression, you'd have to get up earlier in the morning to catch up with me, well having not slept, you'd have to stay awake.
Just kidding.

I agree that something terrible happened in Haverhill, Woodsville, Bath, but just not at the Weatherbarn. I in no way believe that Maura drove her car damaged as we know it, not possible well not in that length of time, and on a main artery highway. Back roads I'd believe it but the time then would have taken much longer.

I was reading multitudes of stuff last night of other murders in the area, and was struck by the overwhelming evidence that many of the murders and disappearances seem totally random, and that the perpetrators simply lie in wait, and of course they are not going to murder the locals because then they would be discovered.

Michelle Quinn-Gardnier her mistake in life was to ask a rather innocently looking man for the use of his phone. She was not stalked. Ted Bundy
did not stalk most of his victims, one woman went to the bath room at a ski lodge and he pulled her out of the elevator and she was found sometime later in the woods near the lodge. Totally random, crime of oportunity. Her mistake is that she was on her way to her room to use the bathroom rather than use the public one in the bar. What did these women do wrong, they were not carrying tasers. Poor remark but valid.

I cannot comment on possible places of where one would be most likely abducted on route, that is for those of you who know the area. One thing is for certain, Maura likely filled up with gas on route as her tank was nearly full. White River Junction and Wells River Junction seem most likely.

I can comment on that the routes and roads in the area look totally confusing, and not being prone to being lost, I can see that a person might get mixed up if they were headed for either Vermont, or the Bartlett area, so easy to make a wrong turn
and given it was night the chance for a mistake and a perpetrator lurking are increased a thousand full.
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Has the possibility of her involvement in a witness protection program been considered? It would explain a lot in regards to her behavior prior to disappearing.
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Thanks for the response!
If a suspect has been identified, I hope they are able to put together a case and arrest him soon.
Any guesses as to who this may be?
Not a clue doublehorse, if I knew I'd be outside the District Attorneys' or Attorney Generals' petitioning for a grand jury, but I do not have one inkling whom it may be, just as well. But someone took Maura's life for no other reason than they could and did.

Over the past 7 years I have devoted one hour a day to looking and lobbying for justice for missing persons, even when I do not have access to a computer I spend time composing scenarios in Microsoft word. I have seen numerous cases where it is known who the perpetrator is but there is insufficent evidence to bring them to trial, i.e.
Adam Walsh, although very early on, Ottis was named as a person of interest there was never any evidence to prove he committed the crime. The problem of proof.

In Canada we have a system of public enquiry, which gives powers to law enforcement not available under the normal confines of the law. To we have no rights to privacy such as you have in the states which more often than not protect people who should be exposed. Also we have no 5th ammendment, if we have knowledge and withold it we are found in contempt of court, except you do not have to testify re:spouse.

A public enquiry is similar to a grand jury investigation. A grand jury could be called in Maura's disappearance but the burden of proof still might not lead to a conviction, and as you know the double jeopardy system in murder trials demands that you have all your ducks in a row.

It is not important that we the forum members know who committed this infatima, only that we lobby for justice, it is the job of law enforcement to fill in the dots and for those powers that be to provide the resources needed to solve this mystery.

That is not to say our purpose is unimportant, it is, because without a forum of somekind and the help of the PI's and many minds and hearts, and especially Fred, Maura would have been forgotten like so many missing and murdered individuals.
So your voice and concerned is needed and appreciated.
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doublehorse wrote:
Has the possibility of her involvement in a witness protection program been considered? It would explain a lot in regards to her behavior prior to disappearing.
I think the FBI would have resolved that problem from the get-go, at least one would think. Anything is possible...but it seems unlikely, yes it has been discussed but of course there would be no answer.
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peripeteia Nova Scotia wrote:
From the get-go, I wondered if something yukky happened to Maura at the University, and the University attempted to cover this up, or an employee of the University acting on their own, or a student at the University. For example, Maura died somehow, and a self appointed clean up person dumped her body and made like she was headed for the hills either to throw suspicion away from themselves or to save the reputation of the University.
Seems unlikely UMass itself, at a high level, would cover up anything like this. It's certainly possible, but, as a public univeristy in Massachusetts, doubtful. Of course, Jimmy (Whitey) Bulger's brother, Billy, WAS President of UMass until he resigned under pressure, mostly from former Gov. Romney, over alleged phone contact between the two brothers, as revealed in Congressional testimony.

Somewhat less unlikely is a scenario in which some few individuals employed by UMass, at the teaching and/or research level, temporary or tenured, have had a setback, maybe one involving a sickness, serious injury, or death of someone related in some way to their research or business holdings.

The public is often unaware of how much money university teachers/researchers can make by forming a company that is built on university originated research (although many contracts now anticipate that eventuality and address it).

For example, look at the company, Hematech, formed by Barbara Osborn and Richard Goldsby. And that's just one example of many. Millitech is (or at least was) another example. Thousands of such companies abound across the U.S. The ideas and research probably started at the university level, but were eventually funded by venture capitalists. Once big money is brought in, everything changes.

Having said this, there is/was a UMass related health company that should be of interest. Unfortunately, this is not the place to name names, but I can say that a closely related company was purchased (at least on paper) by a company very closely related to a Saratoga Springs company.

Not only that, the same source of the convicted rapist materials also supplied items that originated in a Naples building, part of which is owned by the Saratoga Springs company.

Overall, if she was abducted and/or murdered, I very much doubt the University itself would cover it up.
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