Where is MAURA MURRAY

Who stated she was alone? A lot of information has been stated as fact on this topic, yet proven later to not be true.

Have the transcripts or tapes of the 2 separate 911 phone calls (at the barn) been released?

If so is there a link to them?
If not can we get them? FOIA request or FCC petition...

I would like to contrast and compare the 2 calls.

(From what I have read in various posts and papers)
The first call reports a man smoking. The second call reports a women (who disappears 3 minutes after this call).
Then the dog(s) loose the trail right outside the second caller's house... not to mention the second callers 'mysterious' backing the bus into the driveway and waiting in the bus to make the call to the police.
How can the trail go cold outside his house with him in the bus waiting and watching for police who show up three minutes later and he never sees anything?

looking4amoose wrote:

Who stated she was alone? A lot of information has been stated as fact on this topic, yet proven later to not be true.

A steady stream of false information often provides some very useful truth.

Truth..

Good questions, his story does not seem to add up. He should have been able to see all that happened from his vantage point in the bus or from his porch. I have stood at both locations at his house and I had a clear shot towards the accident scene. I think he saw what happened but maybe didn't want to be involved or knew the person or persons who might have grabbed her at the scene or at the intersection of Bradley Hill Rd. and Rte 112.

Detective Columbo wrote:

Truth..
Good questions, his story does not seem to add up. He should have been able to see all that happened from his vantage point in the bus or from his porch. I have stood at both locations at his house and I had a clear shot towards the accident scene. I think he saw what happened but maybe didn't want to be involved or knew the person or persons who might have grabbed her at the scene or at the intersection of Bradley Hill Rd. and Rte 112.

Do you and Weeper agree or disagree as to whether or not Maura Murray was at the Rt. 112 (Weathered Barn) Saturn crash site?

Detective,

Any news on the 911 tapes?

If he lied to the police on what he saw he might be invloved in some way. There was also some conflicting information regarding the couple who called 911 first... what was on the call and what was said to police after. Something may not add up there as well.

What about the possible relevance of the bus company - SBD's employer - having an office next to Kennedy?

I am definitely not convinced that it was Maura at the acc. scene. Other than going by what SBD had to say, I can in no way be sure.

I have no idea what is on the 911 tapes as we are not privy to that info. It sure would be nice to hear them though, I feel it would clarify a few things.

Detective Columbo wrote:

Truth..
Good questions, his story does not seem to add up. He should have been able to see all that happened from his vantage point in the bus or from his porch. I have stood at both locations at his house and I had a clear shot towards the accident scene. I think he saw what happened but maybe didn't want to be involved or knew the person or persons who might have grabbed her at the scene or at the intersection of Bradley Hill Rd. and Rte 112.

Was this at the same time of year, the same time of day and under the same lighting conditions?

Suppose Maura Murray was spending considerable time at an off-campus residential property.

If the mortgagee of the property and SBD's employer (with office next to Kennedy) have in common an important kind of "business" associate, wouldn't that be potentially relevant?

If a leading PI in the Maura Murray and Molly Bish cases were employed by this "business" associate, wouldn't that also be potentially relevant?

Detective Columbo from post 11332:

Good questions, his [SBD'] story does not seem to add up. He should have been able to see all that happened from his vantage point in the bus or from his porch. I have stood at both locations at his house and I had a clear shot towards the accident scene. I think he saw what happened but maybe didn't want to be involved or knew the person or persons who might have grabbed her at the scene or at the intersection of Bradley Hill Rd. and Rte 112.

Detective Columbo from post 11336:

I am definitely not convinced that it was Maura at the acc. scene. Other than going by what SBD had to say, I can in no way be sure.

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Sorry, but I don't understand what Detective Columbo is saying in these TWO statements.

It was in the winter at approx. 7:15 pm. The street light was on by SBD house, as to whether or not it was the exact same lighting conditions, I cannot say as I was not there on the night of Feb. 9th 2004.

I could see all the way to the Weathered barn and see lights on at the Westman's House.

Detective Columbo:

Suppose Maura Murray was spending considerable time at an off-campus residential property.

If the mortgagee of the property and SBD's employer, with an office next to Kennedy, have in common an important kind of "business" associate, wouldn't that be potentially relevant?

If a leading PI in the Maura Murray and Molly Bish cases were employed by this "business" associate, wouldn't that also be potentially relevant?

Harry wrote:

Detective Columbo from post 11332:
Good questions, his [SBD'] story does not seem to add up. He should have been able to see all that happened from his vantage point in the bus or from his porch. I have stood at both locations at his house and I had a clear shot towards the accident scene. I think he saw what happened but maybe didn't want to be involved or knew the person or persons who might have grabbed her at the scene or at the intersection of Bradley Hill Rd. and Rte 112.
Detective Columbo from post 11336:
I am definitely not convinced that it was Maura at the acc. scene. Other than going by what SBD had to say, I can in no way be sure.
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Sorry, but I don't understand what Detective Columbo is saying in these TWO statements.

It makes sense considering the possibility that Maura wasn't actually there - but instead people in the act of a crime.

I've tried to imagine what situation would arise in which SBD would have known the above to be true, but instead say Maura was there - but I can't imagine anything more specific then a generic idea that he knew them.

Alternatively - I consider that, if abandonded cars are commonplace that SBD may not have actually paid much attention to her car, or even talked to her.

His girlfriend seems to have been at home to hear the crash, not him. So perhaps the girlfriend asked SBD to call after he came inside, by that time it was too late. However, when he was asked about the incident and it was clear she was missing, he had reason to lie because it would look like he was negligent or cold hearted.

Either he knows something he's not saying, or talked to her less then what he said he did.

hi all.We are taking as a fact that Maura was gone when sgt Smith arrived at the saturn.Also the time spent in Amherst before she left is still a mystery.Someone asked did she drop off the liquor to someone locally before she vanished.Why did Rick Forcier say he saw nothing going on when he got home.take care philip

oo00oo wrote:

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Thank you for responding. With all due respect, if the family has not seen the video,how can anyone say it was positively Maura? Why would the family not be asked to verify that?
Why are there so many simple questions that cannot be answered?

I would suspect that Fred has asked and been denied to view the photo, and actions such as
this is what has infuriated Fred, and made him
suspect of how the case has been handled. One
would almost believe that Maura was with someone.

Seeing the photo might give one the impression of how Maura was feeling, by how she looked, her state of mind.

Or there is the possibility that someone else used her ATM card, odd the police would not have
Fred identify his daughter...

Fred has the right under the laws of right to know if the person at the ATM was his daughter..

Detective Columbo wrote:

I am definitely not convinced that it was Maura at the acc. scene. Other than going by what SBD had to say, I can in no way be sure.
I have no idea what is on the 911 tapes as we are not privy to that info. It sure would be nice to hear them though, I feel it would clarify a few things.

Why was not the 911 log from Hanover released.

What has always bothered me is the statement of the SBD reported in the news,(paraphrased) when I came after getting through to the police, they had already arrived, which we know the time to be 1946 by Sherriff's release of 911 logs from Haverhill.

Haverhill log lists the time of their phone call to the SBD house to verify his 911 to Hanover
says the call came came through to Hanover at 1943
and in turn Haverhill records their call to the SBD house at 1943.

The school bus driver's wife took the call, and states that she does not know where the girl is and that her husband SAW the accident.

This means that someone's timing is off?

or: another police or emergency vehicle arrived at
the scene before Smith, at 1946.

The other thing is why why why did not the SBD's wife take the phone to SBD, or call him to the phone, if the timing is correct SBD should have still been in his house.

Why did SBD wife state what she did, there was no reason for the SBD to believe (in so far as he has stated publically) that the occupant of the car left the scene.

Has a polygraph been given to the SBD and his wife, if not it would seem appropriate, given that
he is the only person able to identify the occupant of the car, grant these are not admissable in court, however given the money that has been spent of this investigation, likely approaching a million or more, then it seems relevant that his statements be verified. Too it is not a conclusive tool, however it might glean something.

There is every reason to believe he has been deceptive, why is a dice throw, or a box of Chinese umbrella's (every one different). I know that one cannot be compeled to take such an examination, however, given SBD blew dodge, says that either he couldn't stand the heat (pressure)
or he went in hiding.

Given that he refused to speak to Healy speaks volumes as well (PI)>

In my mind, either someone arrived at the scene before Smith, or the SBD is lying like a rug.

the above post should read,

WHEN I CAME OUTSIDE AFTER GETTING THROUGH TO POLICE, THEY HAD ALREADY ARRIVED....

Benjamin Franklyne wrote:

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It makes sense considering the possibility that Maura wasn't actually there - but instead people in the act of a crime.
I've tried to imagine what situation would arise in which SBD would have known the above to be true, but instead say Maura was there - but I can't imagine anything more specific then a generic idea that he knew them.
Alternatively - I consider that, if abandonded cars are commonplace that SBD may not have actually paid much attention to her car, or even talked to her.
His girlfriend seems to have been at home to hear the crash, not him. So perhaps the girlfriend asked SBD to call after he came inside, by that time it was too late. However, when he was asked about the incident and it was clear she was missing, he had reason to lie because it would look like he was negligent or cold hearted.
Either he knows something he's not saying, or talked to her less then what he said he did.

In post 11332, Detective Columbo strongly implies, but does not exactly state, that Maura Murray was at the Rt. 112 crash site and was abducted (grabbed) from that site.

In post 11336, Detective Columbo states that he is not convinced that Maura Murray was even at the Rt. 112 crash site.

In a narrow sense, these two statements do not conflict with one another, but the two statements, in a common, everyday way, would be regarded by the average person as hard to reconcile.

Ever have to wait a minute or two in your vehicle while an 18 wheeler backs up to a delivery location?