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WTF

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Upsetting, but is it possible that the car accidents (possibly 1 to even 4 --- maybe one in amherst, fred's new car for sure, maybe one or 2 in NH?) during a 5-day period might have been half-hearted attempts of a very upset person to hurt herself?
Wow, I hadn't thought of that but this is a possiblity. I am not convinced that she was suicidal but there is certainly the possiblity. It is possible that it they were cries for help.

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Watching

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#1136
Jun 19, 2008
 
The theory of the Saturn hitting Vasi does not hold water. The damage sustained to the vehicle would have killed Vasi. A car hitting a human body would not sustain this sort of damage unless it pinned the person against an object w/ an edge. That did not happen to Vasi.
Additionally Whitwash, how did the car jump the snowbank to hit the trees? Was that area plowed out by those trees? Did those tire marks match the Saturn? Were those tire marks of another vehicle pulling out of that area and Maura may have tried to swerve to avoid hitting as she came around the corner? The snowbanks were quite high at that time. Most police looking at an accident match tire prints to vehicles. Did this occur? Why was an acceleration noise heard by neighbors prior to the crash? Was that another vehicle's noise, but that vehicle was not noticed by neighbors? A car expert and a reconstructionist looked at the damage to the Saturn. Looking at the photos of the damage are helpful for those linking it to hitting a tree or a human. Tree trunks are round and I can't fathom the damage done was caused by a tree. The triangular piece on a tow truck could cause such damage though, or possibly the rear of a truck, especially if it had something jutting out of the bumper. If an expert accident reconstrutionist concluded the damage was not sustained where the car was found, I would trust that they are likely correct, but that's me. Can someone figure out how to post the damaged Saturn photo here?
SB, Obviously if someone has potentially relevant knowledge it should be brought forth. You misunderstood the meaning and intent of my words.
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#1137
Jun 19, 2008
 
White Wash wrote:
You can see the actual accident report again
from www.hansonexpress.com
For actual facts.
But the Maricotts statement is they could
see tail lights so it would be impossible for
it to be in a snow bank.
She hit the trees backed up and was attempting to
keep going when the school bus came I personally
believe since it was heading west.
Maricotts have stated there was damage to the tree.
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This is confusing to me, as it is contrary to information posted by accident reconstructionists who say that Maura could NOT have hit a tree or trees, judging from the damage to the car; they also speculate that the accident likely occurred elsewhere.

What are we to do with two conflicting sets of information? One of them is obviously wrong. Innocently so, or consciously misleading?
White Wash

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Jun 19, 2008
 

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You have no clue what that poor B has
been through but as you see right here
HE DID IT guilty without one ounce of proof!
For the record there are other houses out there
which have not been search this I know for a fact.
But say he did and IT TURNS UP EMPTY where does the SEARCH and FOCUS GO?

No Where!

He did the right thing keeping the FOCUS ON MAURA and KEEPING PEOPLE INTERESTED!

Property is up for sale says NOTHING is there
to me!
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Given the controversy and publicity of this case, frankly, he may have had a very good reason to not allow a police search of his property - a perfectly legitimate reason. No attorney would ever have advised him to open his house for a warrantless search by police.
BeagleBart

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#1139
Jun 19, 2008
 
Is the location of the ribbon also the exact location of the Saturn?

Assuming the crash report is correct – and there's no reason to think it isn't – then it seems very likely that the Saturn did,in fact, go off the right side of the road just east of the Weathered Barn, hit one tree nearly head on, at the front left of the car, which then hooked it clockwise into hitting another tree on the driver's side. The report indicates the presence of three tress, but only points of impact. For purposes of illustrating the scene, it looks like the two impacted trees were separated by a single un-impacted tree. Does this sound about right? If so, it's certainly not surprising that the impact was heard by one neighbor, while another neighbor, perhaps watching TV, did not hear anything. Any damage to the driver's side door?

If both airbags deployed, were there two people in the car or possibly only the driver?
Local Yocal

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#1140
Jun 19, 2008
 
I think the CW who lives on the corner has a lot to hide. Even if it has nothing to do with this case. BUT statements he made seem to point to him knowing more than he is saying.

LO YO
quija

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it's possible the CW was just talking a bit of bull when he said he saw a youngster running. it's also possible that if he wasn't fond of the law, women, or Massachusetts people that he was just amorally messing around with all involved for his own amusement. Not letting his property be searched is a way of not letting the law push him around (again?). JMO that he threw a wrench into the works but is not a murderer.
BeagleBart

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#1142
Jun 19, 2008
 
Watching wrote:
The theory of the Saturn hitting Vasi does not hold water. The damage sustained to the vehicle would have killed Vasi. A car hitting a human body would not sustain this sort of damage unless it pinned the person against an object w/ an edge. That did not happen to Vasi.
It is correct that the theory of the Saturn hitting Vasi does not hold water if it is assumed that the front of the Saturn sustained only one impact. However, Vasi's leg could have hit the front of the Saturn, causing minimal impact, but still leaving a telltale dent. That telltale dent may have later been obscured by a second dent in the same spot, made possibly by a tow truck, a pickup truck, or lots of other things – deliberately or not.
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There is absolutely no reason for even the most law-abiding person to allow a warrantless search by police of his or her home. Not allowing a warrantless search is very understandable no matter what reasons are given by police for the search. And it was certainly the correct reponse given the circumstances. No questionable motives by the building's occupant should be inferred.
OH MY

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#1144
Jun 19, 2008
 
White Wash wrote:
I found this on the Hanson Website as well.
Discuss (1 posts)
fubar Maura's father disputes NH newspaper report
Mar 08 2008 02:44:52
** This thread discusses the Content article: Maura's father disputes NH newspaper report **
It never ceases to amaze me how often people want to blame others for mistakes they made. An inebriated girl crashes her car and her subsequent disappearance is everyone else's fault except hers. Even her father admits she was probably drinking while driving. Let's see if we run this through. If she wasn't drinking she probably wouldn't have crashed her car. If she wasn't drinking and she crashed her car she probably wouldn't have tried to leave the crash site. If she wasn't drinking she probably wouldn't have wandered into the woods or been picked up by an unsavory character(s) that might have lead to her death. Either way the blame for what caused whatever sequence of event that lead to whatever outcome is clearly in Maura's ownership. She certainly didn't deserve whatever happened to her but deserve has very little to do with anything in life. I do feel very bad for the family who are clearly suffering but some of the accusations aside from being ludicrous are clearly over the line and not substantiated by the facts. If and when the police have some evidence to pursue I'm pretty sure they will do so. The ridiculous name calling and finger pointing won't create evidence. Now if someone has evidence of wrong doing by the police or can prove that they have information that they are not following up on, I'm all ears. From what I can tell it is an active investigation. That doesn't mean they have any leads currently but it does mean that they have not forgotten. If something shows up I believe they will pursue it.
Cleary if nothing else Maura should be considered a cautionary tale for other young people of how to not do things and how grossly unfair an outcome can be for even relatively minor errors in judgment. That is a very sad legacy for someone who appeared to have a very bright future.
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If new evidence is found it won't be investigated by HPD as they have been taken off the case! If you try to contact the investigating officers or Detectives good luck as they do not return thier calls.
White Wash

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It wasn't the law that was the issue!

The searchers where pissed he wouldn't allow them
to search his property so they started a media pressure to see if he would cave!

The poor ole soul on Old Peter's road finally
makes it home to find "searchers" in his basement?

Many people rights have been severly abused out
in that area for simply wanting to help but
it wasn't up to what some viewed it should be!
BeagleBart wrote:
There is absolutely no reason for even the most law-abiding person to allow a warrantless search by police of his or her home. Not allowing a warrantless search is very understandable no matter what reasons are given by police for the search. And it was certainly the correct reponse given the circumstances. No questionable motives by the building's occupant should be inferred.
OH MY

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#1146
Jun 19, 2008
 
Cosmic Moe wrote:
They had no search warrant. They did shit at the scene and that is on the record. Poor police work is what we are talking about here. SLOPPY....JOE
MOE
Whats new? There has always been poor police work in Haverhill! They couldn't conduct an investigation if they had all the evidencce sitting in thier lap!
OH MY

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Jun 19, 2008
 
FireCat wrote:
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Whitewash, I'm presuming that since this came from another source that it wasn't you posting it there originally, so this isn't necessarily directed at you. But here goes:
There is no inviolate proof that Maura was drinking. The only way to PROVE that Maura was drinking/drunk at the scene....is for Maura to have been around and been tested. Would that this had been the case, because then none of us would have to be here.
They can have EVIDENCE that POINTS TO THE LIKELIHOOD that she was drinking, but without Maura herself to blow a test/get blood drawn/whatever, there's no way to prove she was drinking.
Also, to say that she disappeared because she was drinking, the way this poster did is one slippery step away from "the b.tch was asking for it, because she dressed trashy" about a rape victim.
I've never seen her father admit that she was probably drinking. I may have read something that said that he agreed she might have been drinking....but I don't have access to it anymore, because my link to it was on the old forum. Mcsmom? Anyone else who can point me to this quote about her father and her drinknig? Either to confirm my memory or the original poster?
I believe what Sophie Bean would not tolerate was not discussion that she was drinking. Nor was it proof that she was drinking. So please, get off her case. What Sophie, nor anyone else on the MMM forum, would not tolerate, was simply the following: PEOPLE STATING AS FACT THINGS THAT ARE NOT FACT. If you want to opine something, knock yourself out. Tell me that you think Maura was abducted by aliens, that you think she was so drunk that she couldn't see straight, that you think penguins paddled up from Antarctica in a canoe and took her. But UNLESS OR UNTIL something is a fact, that can be backed up by empirical evidence, it's not a fact. "Maura was drinking" is not a fact. It can be 99.999999% bloody likely--and I don't really have an opinion on it, personally, maybe she was, maybe she wasn't--but we can't state it as a fact BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW.
I'm sorry for all the random capitalizations. I'm not trying to yell. I just have no decent method of emphasis except this.
Paris, I'd no idea of all that you and your family was going through. Jeez. Hang in there, all of you.
Amen
White Wash

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Wow when I called the NHSP I spoke directly to the LT.
I have received emails and calls back!
So I don't know what to tell you other than I have
had them return my calls.
They took my information.
OH MY wrote:
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If new evidence is found it won't be investigated by HPD as they have been taken off the case! If you try to contact the investigating officers or Detectives good luck as they do not return thier calls.
White Wash

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Really and you know this how?

Where you at the scene??

Do you know someone who was there who lives there related to the family?

Please share what ACTUAL FACTS that can stand up in a court of law that YOU HAVE!
OH MY wrote:
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Whats new? There has always been poor police work in Haverhill! They couldn't conduct an investigation if they had all the evidencce sitting in thier lap!
OH MY

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Jun 19, 2008
 
WTF wrote:
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Agreed. It’s not a fact. But at 99.999999% probability it makes for an excellent working hypothesis.
Now we have a working theory why she ran away from the car and tried to leave the area. Now we just have to find her.
B
It seems that we havn't located Maura for 4 1/2yrs now it is unlikley we will find her now.
I believe the answers to her disappearance is close to where the car was found. Before the car was found abandoned there were many calls to dispatch that there was a car off the road and when the police got there there was no car, that leads me to believe she was being persued by someone and then the people persuing her finally spun her car and the car stalled and wouldn't refire so Maura left the car in fear. What kind of fear I am unsure of! She must have fled on foot and that has to be where she was abducted or hit by a person driving by! I have had a feeling that she was taken by a man in a Police car from the beginning or was hit by a driver that didn't see her and they disposed of Maura, now that is my opinion! When the SP ran the cadaver dogs through the houses the dogs hit in a closet of the A frame house near the MMM site where Claude and Skye were living and then a dying man who just happened to be Claudes brother Larry came forward with a Jacknife that he said was the murder weapon, Why would a dying man say he knew his brother killed her and come forward with the weapon? To me that is the confession of a dying man #1 and #2 the dogs hit on the house where Claude was living. To me that is all it would take to make an arrest, who knows they might have DNA as well!
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#1151
Jun 19, 2008
 
It is clear that the impact to the front edge of the hood, just above the headlight, was made by an object of a very regular, contoured shape. It really looks like the car was hit by a trailer hitch or similar manmade object.

A tree large enough to deflect the force of a car – a car which then hit a second tree and landed down the street a little - would almost certainly have caused a larger, more rounded dent. But more importantly, there is no significant damage to the front bumper below the hood, a bumper with a leading edge several inches in front of the point of impact on the hood. A regularly shaped object obviously struck the hood at front left causing little if any damage to the bumper. Therefore, the direction (or plane) of impact was approximately parallel to the ground. Like with a tow truck or a trailer hitch.

If you don't have a trailer hitch at home, look at one in a store. The shape corresponds very closely with the shape of the dent on the Saturn.

Even accounting for a resilient 5 mph bumper, it is hard to explain the very regular shape of the dent in the hood.
OH MY

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Jun 19, 2008
 
White Wash wrote:
Wow when I called the NHSP I spoke directly to the LT.
I have received emails and calls back!
So I don't know what to tell you other than I have
had them return my calls.
They took my information.
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What Lt. did you talk to?
Just because they took your information doesn't mean that it made it to the lead Detective in this case, nor does it mean it made a difference in the truth of what happened to Maura!
WTF

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White Wash wrote:
Really and you know this how?
Where you at the scene??
Do you know someone who was there who lives there related to the family?
Please share what ACTUAL FACTS that can stand up in a court of law that YOU HAVE!
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I have OH MY on my pay no mind list.

Mostly BS wrapped in HorseSzzt with a thick layer of psychotic episode added.

Bill
White Wash

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#1154
Jun 19, 2008
 
Really I'd like to see Fred Murray's receipt for this so called mailed in knife!
Do you really honestly think if you know about this and that if Fred Murray is ranting about it to the MEDIA that NHSP haven't tested this knife?

Less TV more LIFE!
OH MY wrote:
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It seems that we havn't located Maura for 4 1/2yrs now it is unlikley we will find her now.
I believe the answers to her disappearance is close to where the car was found. Before the car was found abandoned there were many calls to dispatch that there was a car off the road and when the police got there there was no car, that leads me to believe she was being persued by someone and then the people persuing her finally spun her car and the car stalled and wouldn't refire so Maura left the car in fear. What kind of fear I am unsure of! She must have fled on foot and that has to be where she was abducted or hit by a person driving by! I have had a feeling that she was taken by a man in a Police car from the beginning or was hit by a driver that didn't see her and they disposed of Maura, now that is my opinion! When the SP ran the cadaver dogs through the houses the dogs hit in a closet of the A frame house near the MMM site where Claude and Skye were living and then a dying man who just happened to be Claudes brother Larry came forward with a Jacknife that he said was the murder weapon, Why would a dying man say he knew his brother killed her and come forward with the weapon? To me that is the confession of a dying man #1 and #2 the dogs hit on the house where Claude was living. To me that is all it would take to make an arrest, who knows they might have DNA as well!
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