Where is MAURA MURRAY

Hello again,

I still haven´t been able to find the web location of the new Maura Murray forum, so am currently unable to add my vote to Mason´s "questionnaire" regarding Maura´s fate.

I still believe that the mysterious girl "Raykel" at the Barton, VT, church on Fathers´ Day 2005 could well have been Maura. Some of the new participants on this forum may be unaware of this possible sighting of Maura. I know that it has been officially discounted (for whatever reason), but even so I strongly feel that it cannot be disregarded.

Detective Columbo wrote:

The GCSD log from Feb. 9th 2004 was printed on 02/10/2004 of which I have a copy. Another GCSD log was given to the Murrays on 11/04/2004 of which I have a copy.
Why is it that these 2 reports from the same night have missing text as well as times which do not match. If it is the same log, same night, same people on duty, why should this paperwork differ 9 months later. This log is an official piece of information which has been changed for some reason and to do that is ILLEGAL. These logs are often used in criminal cases by lawyers to give them more info as well as maybe even to help find someone not guilty or for use in a conviction.
The fact that this log has been altered is a criminal offense and if in fact is found to be true would make the person or persons who did it guilty of a crime. If found to be true they should be accountable for their actions.
Columbo

This has been mentioned on the forums for some time. Have you spoken to the proper authorities about your concerns? They are the ones to tell, we on this forum can't do anything since we don't have the two logs in question.
Also did both copies go straight from the GCSD to your hands and the Murrays or were they given to you by someone in between that may have tampered with them?

OK, so, a man points the finger at his own brother, who lived fairly close to the accident scene. Sometime after Maura's disappearance the brother leaves or is evicted (for essentially an unkept place from what I've read, junk in the yard, etc.) and then dogs indicate a cadaver in the house. Why are we not focusing more on the A-frame again? I'm sure I must be missing something. Fred obviously thought it was significant.

I could propose at least 3 different theories as to how Maura ended up at the A-frame. How she got there should not be the only issue. I find it hard to believe that cadaver dogs would react to menstrual blood the same way as a cadaver, at least to the degree that these dogs apparently did. It wasn't a mild response, it was "bonkers". I could be wrong and in some ways hope I am. Only other explanation is that someone else's cadaver, or possibly a dead deer or other game animal, was in that house. Not a tampon, pardon my French.

Detective Columbo wrote:

Here is a link to the Original GCSD Log for 2/9/04 and printed out on 2/10/04. It differs from what was released to the Murrays on 11/04/04. There are at least 10 differences I have found.
http://www.mauramurraymissing.com/Documents.h...

Okay, so where is the link to the second one for comparison?

Detective Columbo wrote:

Here is a link to the Original GCSD Log for 2/9/04 and printed out on 2/10/04. It differs from what was released to the Murrays on 11/04/04. There are at least 10 differences I have found.
http://www.mauramurraymissing.com/Documents.h...

Yes, I have seen this one. What about the one on 11/04/04?

Thanks for clarifying, Eurobserver. The video of the area that I saw showed a bus in a driveway NW of and before the crash scene, so I guess I assumed the SBD lived NW of the WB, not past it near Bradley Hill rd.

Both GCSD Logs are direct from the Sheriffs office.

Wowzer wrote:

Detective Columbo wrote:***Yeah, there are alot of nice caring people up here. I even had guns pointed at me when driving into peoples driveways. "WELCOME TO NH, NOW GO HOME" Like the bumper sticker says.
Just a point I want to make....***
What point exactly ARE you trying to make? You ask questions and want answers but I asked you a question on post #11408 about 3 days ago that still hasn't been answered so I'll ask again.
You've had no trouble using names before of the people in this vicinity so I'm asking who pointed guns at you? If not names then what street were you on when the guns were pointed at you.Since you stated "guns" and "driveways" in plural can you tell me how many people pointed guns at you.
You are supposed to be the professional here that everyone looks up to but your statements are saying something different and I wonder why you are stuck on this corner in North Haverhill and refuse to even talk about another area or Maura's past or the phone call that upset her so or any of her college friends.
The point you are trying to make is not a professional one and I think it was made with intentions of leading the new people to believe that this area is a dangerous one with dangerous gun slinging people. This can't be further from the truth.
Please answer the question. If this did not happen then I think an apology is in order for your damaging statement to the community and to everyone on this forum.

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

Det C. I agree wholeheartedly with your assessment of the North County, being a 49+ life-long resident myself. The picture Wowzer would like to portray isn't reality for most us natives.

Detective Columbo wrote:

Both GCSD Logs are direct from the Sheriffs office.

Do you have a link to the second one for comparison?

Wowzer wrote:

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This has been mentioned on the forums for some time. Have you spoken to the proper authorities about your concerns? They are the ones to tell, we on this forum can't do anything since we don't have the two logs in question.
Also did both copies go straight from the GCSD to your hands and the Murrays or were they given to you by someone in between that may have tampered with them?

both copies of the Grafton County dispatch logs for Feb. 9,04 that Columbo is referring to is in the court documents. After viewing these documonts from the courts is when we noticed the descrepincies. Like yourself I too wonder if someone in between tampered with them.

The one definite thing is....They are different and they shouldn't be. No I do not have a link for the other report at this time.

Yes....I do wonder if Wowzer is a TRUE LOCAL. I mean born here and raised here.

Detective Columbo wrote:

Yes....I do wonder if Wowzer is a TRUE LOCAL. I mean born here and raised here.

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

Det C, you and I know how things work, say like a local LE has an agenda and certain people he/she wants to protect? Even if they are out of their jurisdiction.

Only LOCALS know that score

I believe what you and the other PI's have to say

Detective Columbo wrote:

Yes....I do wonder if Wowzer is a TRUE LOCAL. I mean born here and raised here.

Why should it matter if I was born here, brought here as a small child by my parents or moved here on my own 40 years ago? What could this possibly have to do with finding out what happened to Maura.
Columbo you need to take lessons from Weeper. He at least speaks in a professional manner to the people. Your comments are very unprofessional IMHO.

Wowzer wrote:

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I wonder..... if you had stopped to help someone and they refused your help and then disappeared and you were questioned by the LE, then the family and then the PI's and then strangers, had your place searched and on top of all that you are accused on the internet with your name put out for everyone to see as having something to do with her disappearance and then chased down to your new retirement home in another state to be questioned by PI's even further when you have already told them all that you know wouldn't you be just a tad annoyed too????

You're gd freakin right he should be annoyed.!!!!!!

Wowzer wrote:

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Why should it matter if I was born here, brought here as a small child by my parents or moved here on my own 40 years ago? What could this possibly have to do with finding out what happened to Maura.
Columbo you need to take lessons from Weeper. He at least speaks in a professional manner to the people. Your comments are very unprofessional IMHO.

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

Mason wrote:

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I believe you assume too much based on the following points.
1. It's not against the law to drink and drive.

1. Remember the open container law?

2. The average person, especially the average 21 year old, does, in fact, believe it's illegal to drink and drive. And they often act accordingly.

3. It is not illegal to drink in a place where drinking is illegal and then get in a car and drive it if your ability to drive is not impaired due to the alcohol just previously consumed.

4. "Oh-eight" is a PRESUMPTION of impairment..04 is plenty if your ability to drive is impaired by having drunk even a small amount of alcohol just before driving.

5. In Massachusetts, only the Registrar of Motor Vehicles may grant, suspend, revoke, or re-instate a resident's right to drive.

CORRECTION TO #3 ABOVE: It is not illegal to drink in a place where drinking is legal...

Sorry, wrongly wrote "illegal."

Pointer wrote:

I could propose at least 3 different theories as to how Maura ended up at the A-frame. How she got there should not be the only issue. I find it hard to believe that cadaver dogs would react to menstrual blood the same way as a cadaver, at least to the degree that these dogs apparently did. It wasn't a mild response, it was "bonkers". I could be wrong and in some ways hope I am. Only other explanation is that someone else's cadaver, or possibly a dead deer or other game animal, was in that house. Not a tampon, pardon my French.

A cadaver dog is trained to locate a dead body by following the smell emanating from decomposing organic matter, including blood and all of the soft tissue associated with the body. I recall going to a police evidence room to examine all of the evidence seized in a murder case I was working on. One item I wanted to examine closely was a pair of cut-off jeans that belonged to my client. According to the reports I'd read, there were several small dime-sized blood spatters on the fly area.

When the detective opened the bag containing the cut-off jeans, the prosecutor and I were so overwhelmed by the stench of decay that we had to run out of the room to grab some fresh air. You wouldn't be far off the mark to say we went bonkers from the smell.

That intense decaying odor was produced by 3 or 4 dime-sized blood spatters that were still damp when the cut-offs were packaged in the paper bag approximately nine months earlier. It doesn't take much decaying matter to stink-up an enclosed place like a bedroom closet, so it would be a mistake to conclude that there was a large volume of blood in the closet, or that the blood was human. Someone cutting up a deer or other moderate to large sized animal could easily get enough blood on his clothing to later create an overpowering odor of decay if the clothes were dumped on the floor of the closet before the blood dried and the ambient temperature was warm enough, as might be the case in the summer, to support organic decomposition.

Whatever the source may have been, whether human or animal, the total volume could have been as little as a fraction of a pint. Carpet samples were removed from the A-Frame by the PIs, who retained half and gave the other half to the NHSP. We do not know if either group submitted their samples to a lab for testing.

The first test would be a screening test to determine if the substance was human blood. If the substance tested positive for human blood, the next test would have been a confirmatory test because simple screening tests also yield a significant percentage of false positive results that need to ruled out by the confirmatory test before more expensive testing, such as DNA testing is conducted.

The last time I sent evidence to a private lab for DNA testing was approximately 10 years ago and the cost was $750. My common sense tells me that both sides went through this process as far as necessary to determine whether the blood was human and if so whether Maura Murray was the source.

I believe we would have heard about it if she was because I can't imagine a good reason to keep that information secret since the discovery of the blood stained carpet was well publicized.