Where is MAURA MURRAY

sophie bean wrote:

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Wowzer, those are very good points. I just don't know what to think about SBD. I keep wondering, if it really wasn't Maura at the car, and whoever it was refused the offer of help, all that SBD would know is that some female that he tried to help was rude and evasive. On the other hand, we only have his word about the nature of the interaction - no objective, verifiable proof. Still, that backs up your insistence that we not accuse anyone without knowing facts. I really want to be more senstive to how locals are feeling about this.

Thank you Sophie. I just feel it would be so much more productive if all areas were gone over and not just stay stuck on one thing and one place especially when that has been the main focus for almost 5 years and has brought no answers. IMHO.
I truly hope as you do that soon someone will find that bit of information that will give the answer as to what happened to Maura.

Watched 20/20 earlier...Vanished.. Becky Marzo from Milwaukee...five years ago..her mother
showed perservance in her quest...quite a story...
I thought as I watched, that Fred Murray has showed more restraint in his quest than this distraught mother....(and she wasn't thrown to the wolves for her venture) An organization was
formed because of this, called "Broken Wings".

Benjamin Franklyne wrote:

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1. Decide to drive cars they thought to dangerous to drive the day before...
2. for over a hundred miles...
3. on icy roads...
4. while tired from lack of sleep...
5. to a place where she wasn't supposed to be as a student...
6. and a place no one expected her to be...
8. after taking time off from school, risking her academic record as an honor student...
9. without any compelling reason to do so...
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HAHA wow the pseudo-intelligible virgin antisocial computer nerd just took a considerable length of time and used all the effort he could have in attempting so pathetically to find something, anything that he can use to try and disparage me solely because he's utterly spiteful and sadly vindictive.

Once again, you've exposed your multiple insecurities publicly. But in doing so, you also managed to advance your blatantly illogical thought process in attempting to metaphorically tie a number of made-up remarks to something I said, yet it didn't work to people who can actually follow what you said. I clearly explained that intelligent, engaged college women about to graduate don't RUN AWAY - I didn't say that they don't take weekend trips in cars during the winter time, because nearly all of them do at one point or another, with many taking multiple trips. It's not unusual to pack up your belongings and take off somewhere. Students do this all the time. I suspect you don't and never did have many friends though. Because you, specifically, have a limited mental capacity, your brain does not allow you to creatively come to the same conclusions that many of the investigators have come to based on all known factual details, which is that she had a REASON for going up there - we (publicly) just don't know why yet. Even, for arguments sake, if she didn't have a reason to leave, taking off for a weekend outing or some random time off is enormously prevalent among college students.

It's not your fault you're stupid. You were born this way. Intelligence is inherited genetically, so blame your parents.

How beautiful it is that you continue to remain oblivious to how you prove my points regarding how precedented and pathetically laughable you are in everything you say and everything you do: It's to the point where you sit on your computer on this forum all day (which you've been doing for years), wait for ANY response from a "Tampa, FL" location and come up with the most illogical, irrational and ostensibly bitter responses in order to do your best to try to get at me! HAHAH you're so fucking pitiful. You're obviously the type of person who thinks that people are stupid and you can't be read from a mile away.

Benjamin Franklyne wrote:

"Practically everything you just named is your own personal assessment of what you imagine happened..."
"Finding a coke bottle with a reddish-color alcohol (WINE) in it under the very car she was driving is NOT a coincidence. It's very possible that she quickly threw it under the car..."
"I strongly disagree with you "presuming" she would bring gloves with her...And do you know who would EASILY be the most trustworthy people for her to have chosen? A COUPLE."
"You're basing a number of your points off of the theories that YOU personally (and others) have came to "
Apparently our friend here believes its only OK for _him_ to exercise logic and draw conclusions, that only he could possibly be correct - and anyone else that does the exact thing he does - is of "limited mental capacity."
I see now its OK to consider Maura was drinking. A finger in the dike.
Well I guess the old saying - if you want to do something right, do it yourself - isn't actually true.

Awww, the poor little virgin got offended again? Poor baby. How SAD are you that you feel that you have to say something to every post that comes from "Tampa, FL"? My thought process is apparently much too sophisticated for you to comprehend. You're not bright enough to effectively interpret simple details. What you said did not only not make sense, it didn't even tie into anything I remarked on. Being the fat ugly pathetic virgin nerd that you are, you intentionally left out the beginning of that post which would prove how profoundly stupid you, once again, have proven to be. You just can't help yourself.

Keep crying every time I insult you, respond back to every single "Tampa, FL" post regardless of how little sense you make, and attempt everything you can think of because of how I shitted on you.

My sincere apologies to all in this forum for annihilating "Benjamin Franklyne" publicly like this and not talking about Maura, BUT his unprecedented acrimony and his consistent bitter remarks to every single post that anyone from "Tampa, FL" makes, many of which aren't even from the person he's going out of his way to try and insult, warranted me being honest with him.

It's not your fault you're stupid. You were born this way. Intelligence is inherited genetically, so blame your parents.

LMAO THANKS

Some people know "When all is said and done, it's nto what happens to you that charts your course
and shapes your character it's how you respond that does"!

Lucky Becky Marzo she didn't vanish in the "middle of no where" that has nothing but "scum bags" and
murderers" and people who just don't care!

But then we wouldn't expect you to miss an chance to tell us what bad people we are for not doing
things exactly as others.

Some people know "When all is said and done, it's nto what happens to you that charts your course
and shapes your character it's how you respond that does"!

Shack wrote:

Watched 20/20 earlier...Vanished.. Becky Marzo from Milwaukee...five years ago..her mother
showed perservance in her quest...quite a story...
I thought as I watched, that Fred Murray has showed more restraint in his quest than this distraught mother....(and she wasn't thrown to the wolves for her venture) An organization was
formed because of this, called "Broken Wings".

Detective Columbo wrote:

16 minutes......less the time from when Faith called 911 and Butch came by, talked to the driver for 2 to 3 min. go park bus, walk to house, call 911.

Columbo, I take it you are saying that the time of the accident is as reported by Faith, at 1926, and reported at 1927? This you believe is the time that FW heard the thump? Did this correspond to the time that JM gave for hearing the accident?

I find Weepers post very interesting, regarding the phone call made to 911.

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Now we come to the second witness “on scene” who was much closer to the Saturn than anyone else that night, while it was occupied. We all have heard the many variations of what he stated about what was said to him and what he claims to have seen. Over the years the media, police and everyone else continues to quote Mr. Atwood’s version of events from that evening because it all seemed to fit, on the surface. However, his actions that evening were very peculiar to his neighbors. One action in particular stands out, the way he parked the bus that evening. He backed the bus all the way up beside the house to an outbuilding and after a brief moment when he went into the house and told his live in girlfriend what happened (she was in fact the person who called the Grafton County Sherriff’s Department) he went back out and sat in the bus until Sgt. Smith walked down and spoke to him through the open door. To grasp the oddity of this action (as his neighbor did that evening) we need to understand that his girlfriend also drove a full size school bus and they always parked them in front of the house where the State installed a large floodlight (just like a street light on a public street) right on his property at the intersection with Bradley Hill Road. Had he parked his bus in it’s “usual” parking spot he would have had a clear, unobstructed view all the way up to the stranded Saturn, 560 feet (I measured it). He also claimed to have seen several vehicles pass that intersection but couldn’t identify any of them. He had never parked his bus like this, before or after, since that evening. This witness’s statements and actions leave a lot to the imagination. Mr. Atwood knows a lot more about what happened that evening but he’s not talking, especially to our investigators. He may have given LE different statements but those documents are not available to the public or the PI Team (as I said before, we don’t want them nor do we need them).

Weeper on Topix #5386

Here Weeper states that the phone call was made by his wife/girlfriend? One would thing that in the few minutes it would take to tell his wife that he had "seen" the accident and they did not know where the girl is",this likely puts him on the bus, having left for his bus allot earlier than stated in the press. The police had already arrived he said, since he left the phone call business to his partner, he was in the bus much longer than indicated in his statements to police.

This makes the statement of the neighbour about the SBD staying on his bus along time more clear,
and questionable if he ever got off the bus..other than for a minute or two...

In over four years I took the word of the SBD, that he made the phone call to the press. This multiples his deception considerably, in that none of the five versions he gave to the press of what he did after he left the scene of the accident are factual. Very disturbing...

above post to Colombo.. should read, below weeper's quote,
second sentence, one would THINK!

Mason see few posts above re: Weeper's statements re: phone call from the SBD topix #5386

My profound and sincere apologizes for my mistake, you are correct the wife/girlfriend of the SBD made the phone call to the police.

A witness states that the SBD stayed on his bus a long time before he went into the house, if this is true, he went in told his wife, and went back out. Suspect if he was trying earlier, as his information to the press is suspect, because he has given so many version of what he did after he came from the accident scene. Also it appears from her statements he already knew the occupant of the car was gone, at least he told his wife he did not know where the girl is? So perhaps he saw something. It is odd that he said to his wife that he did not know where she was. He is the only one who could have said this, unless of course his wife walked down unseen to the accident site.

Something is wrotten in Denmark as the expression goes?

Again my apologizes Mason, there is enough misinformation in Maura's disappearance without a seasoned reader of the information heaping error to the pile. sorry.

Boy White Wash, you sure do have an attitude that you are right and the world is wrong, and a chip on your shoulder as big as a mountain. You try blow anyone away who does not aggree with you. Sure must suck to be you, to have to live with an attitude like that.

Living up to your name, eh?

To Whitewash is to gloss over or cover up vices, crimes, or to exonerate by means of a perfunctory investigation or through biased presentation of data.

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you sure do have an attitude
odd most of us didn't
but whatever
Part 1
May 21, 2004
Governor Benson:
My daughter, Maura Murray, went missing after a one car accident on February 9, 2004 at approximately 7:00 PM while she was heading east on Route 112 near North Haverhill, New Hampshire. Eye witnesses place her at the crash site at one (1) to two (2) minutes before the local police arrived and no one was seen to stop and pick her up in a vehicle.
This means that when the police reached the scene Maura could have been no further than a couple of hundred yards up the road around the first corner walking away. Another witness who stopped and talked with her reported to the police upon their arrival that the driver of the car was a young woman of approximately twenty (20) years of age. He
added that he thought she had been drinking. There was an empty beer bottle found in the car and in addition, there was a spider hole in the driver's side of the windshield indicating that she had struck her head at impact. The temperature that evening was twelve (12) degrees.
Given these known facts it was grossly negligent of the police to not dispatch a cruiser in active pursuit in a spirited effort to retrieve an unsuspecting and vulnerable girl with a possible head injury and subject to hypothermia because of alcohol and frigid temperature before she wandered into the pitch black of the national forest looming just ahead. The police had full knowledge that if she were to encounter someone with ill intent that she would have no place to hide, no place to run and absolutely no help available. Furthermore, duty as well as common sense obligates the police to call ahead to the next town in the direction they had to assume she was heading. They knew they had not passed her as they drove east to the accident site during their response to the "911" call. The Woodstock police were not notified nor asked to send an officer to intercept her by driving west in the direction in which she was approaching.
She was figuratively and nearly literally "right there" readily available to be rescued and saved from whatever fate has befallen her. All that the police had to do was to expend minimal mental and physical effort and my daughter, Maura would be safely here with me today. But, unfortunately, the police neglected to make even the most basic effort to find her, and I remain without her now and perhaps forever. The onus of this irresponsible and possibly fatal lack of action lies not only with the North Haverhill force, but also with the New Hampshire State Police who responded to the "911" calls from the neighbors as well.

part 2
Recently, nearly three (3) months after the accident, a motorist who was driving west on Route 112 at about 8:00 PM on February 9 reported seeing a young person acting furtively heading very fast in an easterly direction at a point about four (4) to five (5) miles away from the scene of the crash. The time line and description of the individual's
appearance and clothing fits perfectly for this person to have been Maura.
This witness lives within just yards of the accident site, but said he had been confused about the exact date and time of that event because the state police had not interviewed him until 10 days had passed. As hard as this is to believe, it is actually true since an investigator helping the family questioned him on Sunday, February 15 and he said the police hadn't been there to talk to him yet. At this point I appealed directly to the statepolice to pay attention to rudimentary procedure and turned our notes over to them. This apparently prompted a belated response which led to the questioning of this witness on Thursday, February 19.

That this nearly immediately located neighbor who could have been a prime source of critical information should have been questioned in a timely fashion on the very evening of the accident or, at the latest, on the following day is a fully reasonable expectation of adequate investigative policy. If this had occurred this person would have had immediate recollection of the sighting of my daughter and a "hot lead" would have ensued. Statistics, which are very well known by state police agencies, indicate that cases get solved from tips received in the first two or three days or they can go cold forever. To wait ten days to speak to such an obvious source of potentially crucial information based on his proximity to the event will be hard to explain even for those adept at this skill. It is
no wonder that the state police are reluctant to release to me their accident report to which I am probably legally entitled.

I get nearly physically sick when I wake up each morning and the thought of how really little effort it would have taken to rescue my daughter automatically flashes through my mind.

It has been over three months since her disappearance and the only leads developed have been handed to the state police by others. Yet still these guys maintain that they don't need any help. The FBI offered its assistance during the opening week of this case but have only been utilized in a very minor way such as interviewing family members and high school friends in Maura's hometown of Hanson, MA, and also a couple of college acquaintances. These state police officers are great people personally, and I like them and respect them. They are the type of men and women that both you and I would be very pleased to have living in our own neighborhoods, but the inescapable reality remains that they clearly need help in finding Maura.

The finest resource in the world is available and you, sir, should direct Lieutenant John Scarinza and Troop F to accept its offer. There are corollary cases in Vermont also and this entire situation begs for central co-ordination and investigation by an agency which is not bound by the confines of the configuration of Grafton County and the Connecticut River.

The young women in the northern region of your state are not safe and it is clearly imperative that you act decisively before you lose another. Deep within themselves, your citizens are nervously apprehensive and anxiously awaiting your response to this threat.

Respectfully,

Fred Murray

Part 1
Fred's Letter to Governor Lynch:
"Governor Lynch:
Today, February 9, 2005 marks the one year point of my daughter, Maura Murray's unlikely and highly suspicious disappearance following a minor car accident on Route 112 in North Haverhill, New Hampshire.
The investigative body, New Hampshire State Police Troop F of Grafton County, has followed up its astonishingly careless go-through-the-motions response with an unnaturally steadfast refusal to communicate on the matter since. Their investigation includes not questioning neighbors who live one hundred yards from and in sight of the accident scene until 10 days had passed, and this only after my family and friends had spoken to these people and expressed our shock about it to the police. My daughter could have walked right by or have been picked up in a vehicle by the wrong person(s) in full view of these houses. Not even the fact that their tracking dog lost Maura's scent squarely before these properties, one of which was owned by the last person who talked to Maura, and another by the last person to actually see her, was enough to provoke the most elementary of basic investigatory technique.
Phone records reveal that Maura called a couple who rent their condominium in Bartlett, New Hampshire, where our family has vacationed for decades, just before she left the University of Massachusetts and headed directly that way last February 9. When I recently discovered that these folks had never even been contacted by Troop F it felt as if I had just been struck across the face with a two-by-four.

Part 2
I remain convinced also that police have not fully developed a lead given to them concerning a local man who claimed he knew what had happened to "that girl" and disclosed the location where she had been held and by whom.
Law Enforcement's decision on this case from its inception has been to insist that you can take your pick of three possible happenstances: suicide, runaway, or hyperthermia victim but not consider the fourth which is the probability, rather than the possibility, that is, that a bad guy grabbed her and they can't catch him. To support their diversion the commander of Troop F twice stated during The Chronicle Program on Channel 5 in Boston that Maura wrote a final letter to her boyfriend and left it in a prominent place in her dormitory room. This clearly suggests the traditional "suicide letter", but the deception is that she never wrote or left such a letter at all and the police were fully cognizant of this fact at that time.
The pattern certainly doesn't indicate adherence to accepted and recommended police procedure. To date the high law enforcement officials in Concord have reacted like ostriches to this pseudo-investigation by your Troop F. I am left with a hollow, gut-wrenching sensation resulting from finally knowing for sure that the people responsible for finding my daughter are not even submitting a mail-it-in effort on her behalf. Worse still is that they remain determined to not accept the offer of meaningful participation extended by the Federal Bureau of Investigation which is strangely odd indeed.
I am appealing to you, sir, to ask Attorney General Kelly Ayotte to authorize the release of the records in this case to me through my petition under the Freedom of Information Act and the New Hampshire Right to Know Law RSA CH 91-A. I am basing this plea on the present classification of my daughter's case as a missing person situation and not as a criminal investigation. What could be the nature of this which must be so zealously veiled from view and the motivation prompting such secrecy?
With no informational resources available I am left to desperately search for Maura all by myself. How can I do this if the police sit idly on the applicable evidence? Take, for example, her computer. If I could get it back, I might be able to discern who she contacted on that last afternoon and perhaps discover a new direction to follow. It's one thing if Troop F isn't willing to be part of the solution, but please don't allow them to continue to be part of the problem.
Governor Lynch, you represent my final hope to help my little girl. I pray that you will regard reacting favorably to my entreaty, not so much as your legal obligation, but as a parent, your moral responsibility.
Hopefully,
Frederick J. Murray

disgusted wrote:

Boy White Wash, you sure do have an attitude that you are right and the world is wrong, and a chip on your shoulder as big as a mountain. You try blow anyone away who does not aggree with you. Sure must suck to be you, to have to live with an attitude like that.
Living up to your name, eh?
To Whitewash is to gloss over or cover up vices, crimes, or to exonerate by means of a perfunctory investigation or through biased presentation of data.
.

"When all is said and done, it's not what happens to you that charts your course and shapes your
character it's how you respond that does!"
Dr. John H. Skalre, Ed.D

Actually it's very easy being me it's people
like you who have rose color shades on that
I feel bad for.

disgusted wrote:

Boy White Wash, you sure do have an attitude that you are right and the world is wrong, and a chip on your shoulder as big as a mountain. You try blow anyone away who does not aggree with you. Sure must suck to be you, to have to live with an attitude like that.
Living up to your name, eh?
To Whitewash is to gloss over or cover up vices, crimes, or to exonerate by means of a perfunctory investigation or through biased presentation of data.
.

Part 2

I remain convinced also that police have not fully developed a lead given to them concerning a local man who claimed he knew what had happened to "that girl" and disclosed the location where she had been held and by whom.
Law Enforcement's decision on this case from its inception has been to insist that you can take your pick of three possible happenstances: suicide, runaway, or hyperthermia victim but not consider the fourth which is the probability, rather than the possibility, that is, that a bad guy grabbed her and they can't catch him. To support their diversion the commander of Troop F twice stated during The Chronicle Program on Channel 5 in Boston that Maura wrote a final letter to her boyfriend and left it in a prominent place in her dormitory room. This clearly suggests the traditional "suicide letter", but the deception is that she never wrote or left such a letter at all and the police were fully cognizant of this fact at that time.
The pattern certainly doesn't indicate adherence to accepted and recommended police procedure. To date the high law enforcement officials in Concord have reacted like ostriches to this pseudo-investigation by your Troop F. I am left with a hollow, gut-wrenching sensation resulting from finally knowing for sure that the people responsible for finding my daughter are not even submitting a mail-it-in effort on her behalf. Worse still is that they remain determined to not accept the offer of meaningful participation extended by the Federal Bureau of Investigation which is strangely odd indeed.
I am appealing to you, sir, to ask Attorney General Kelly Ayotte to authorize the release of the records in this case to me through my petition under the Freedom of Information Act and the New Hampshire Right to Know Law RSA CH 91-A. I am basing this plea on the present classification of my daughter's case as a missing person situation and not as a criminal investigation. What could be the nature of this which must be so zealously veiled from view and the motivation prompting such secrecy?
With no informational resources available I am left to desperately search for Maura all by myself. How can I do this if the police sit idly on the applicable evidence? Take, for example, her computer. If I could get it back, I might be able to discern who she contacted on that last afternoon and perhaps discover a new direction to follow. It's one thing if Troop F isn't willing to be part of the solution, but please don't allow them to continue to be part of the problem.
Governor Lynch, you represent my final hope to help my little girl. I pray that you will regard reacting favorably to my entreaty, not so much as your legal obligation, but as a parent, your moral responsibility.
Hopefully,
Frederick J. Murray

White Wash,

Do you happen to have Governor Benson's & Lynch's letters of reply to Mr. Murray?

As far as I know, the only reply Mr. Murray received was when he went to see Governor Lynch's office with camera's in tow from the national television syndicate 20/20 and was granted a 10 minute meeting behind closed doors.

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I remain convinced also that police have not fully developed a lead given to them concerning a local man who claimed he knew what had happened to "that girl" and disclosed the location where she had been held and by whom.Quote"
WW is this local man the same one that was supposed to have given the knife to Fred?
I'm surprised there is no mention of the knife or did that happen later with another local?

elsewherebriefly wrote:

White Wash,
Do you happen to have Governor Benson's & Lynch's letters of reply to Mr. Murray?
As far as I know, the only reply Mr. Murray received was when he went to see Governor Lynch's office with camera's in tow from the national television syndicate 20/20 and was granted a 10 minute meeting behind closed doors.

Elsewhere did Mr Murray ever make these replies public? If they are written replies to him wouldn't he be the only one that has them and can make them public? If he received any replies I'd like to see them too.

Wowzer,

I'm pretty certain both Governor Benson & Lynch never replied to Mr. Murray's letters.

I know you don't like hearing that and I'm sorry.

I witnessed this happen to Bill O'Reilly and Wendy Murphy as well while they were attempting to gather facts and information pertaining to the progress of Jessica's Law.