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Weare, NH

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#1215
Jun 20, 2008
 
Have there been some comments that have been deleted? My last post is #1214 and the showing post is 1181-1200 of 1200
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Jun 20, 2008
 
All this time I was trying in a roundabout way to question if Maura went into the woods (not to get away from the law specifically, not caring about embankments, etc.) but looking for a place where she would not be found that night, to drink, and to not survive the night. I'm sorry to voice this painful possibility --- but from reported facts she seemed to be at times extremely distraught. Everything else is possible too, but reading about her stresses and behavior I keep thinking about "the last straw".
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Jun 20, 2008
 
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Who said it was claude's camp...could it have been someone elses camp...a certain someone who got shot because he saw something he shouldn't have and expressed his concerns just hours before his murder. Perhaps she was brought to someone elses camp without their knowledge and accidently that someone went to their camp at the wrong time. Would this not put this owners camp and life in danger?
I do not believe Maura was driving her car. I believe it was all staged...staged by individuals who made arrangements for Maura to come to NH to destress and clear her thoughts.
It might not have been a camp it might have been a house that was small enough to be called a camp!
I agree with you that a man might have seen something that he should not have seen which lead to his death!
One thing bothers me and that is the Chalet Shaffer in Woodsville was burned down by a new heater that was just installed and the person who owned that sports bar left in kind of a hurry.
Another thing that bothers me is that the person that owned Gary's Fuel and Linda's One Stop started selling off everthing he owned right after 2004 and he left Woodsville and moved to Las Vegas before he had sold everything he owned and seemed to be in a hurry. Another thing that seems to bother me is that Jet Star started a junkyard around 2004 and put in a levy of sorts below the junkyard and then the town shut that junkyard down after jetstar put in all the money and time to put in all that dirt to state spec's but they didn't seem to put up much of a fight when told to shut down the junk yard by the town. Another thing that bothers me is that person just had another house burn thats like house number 14 that has burned and the insurance keeps on paying, seems odd that one person can have that many fires in a lifetime!
It seems odd that the vegetable stand on Rt 25 closed it's doors around 2004.
Just to name a few people and places that just seemed to either close up shop or move away after 2004 and they all seem connected in one way or another.
Maybe I have a vivid imagination and maybe I am way off but these people seemed to scatter after 2004 when the pressure was put on the town of Haverhill.
BeagleBart

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#1218
Jun 20, 2008
 
Does Casella's in Bethlehem take junk cars?
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Jun 20, 2008
 
gvmeabrk wrote:
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Does anyone know if after leaving the hospital if he remembered anything about how he was hurt? Was he walking alone? Was he with any friends and fooling around such as car surfing that has been mentioned in comments?
According to news reports, Vasi remembers almost nothing about the time surrounding his injury. If he had prior experience car surfing, it wasn't mentioned. If he was walking alone, his companion(s) didn't help him.
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#1220
Jun 20, 2008
 
What if, a day or two after Vasi was hit, Maura or someone close to her called the ICU at Baystate and, impersonating a member of Vasi's family, inquired about Vasi's exact condition?

Would this be significant?
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Jun 20, 2008
 
quija wrote:
All this time I was trying in a roundabout way to question if Maura went into the woods (not to get away from the law specifically, not caring about embankments, etc.) but looking for a place where she would not be found that night, to drink, and to not survive the night. I'm sorry to voice this painful possibility --- but from reported facts she seemed to be at times extremely distraught. Everything else is possible too, but reading about her stresses and behavior I keep thinking about "the last straw".
This is a possibility. I believe that was the initial working theory from police according to the MM website for several reasons. I think that there is a good possibility that she is close to where the car was located and poor searching has "cleared" certain areas. One of the things I have read is that family and “helpers” have so riled up the locals that getting permission to search those areas again would probably be difficult.

I wish we knew more about what areas where searched and the quality of the searches but I have not heard any of this information.

Bill

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#1222
Jun 20, 2008
 
BeagleBart
Do you have information that this may be the case.
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OhMy, there were a number of businesses that closed shop because their crack habit bankrupted them. I don't know if those you mention are among them though. I wonder what they're putting in the crack to take people down so bad and so fast.
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Jun 20, 2008
 
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It might not have been a camp it might have been a house that was small enough to be called a camp!
I agree with you that a man might have seen something that he should not have seen which lead to his death!
One thing bothers me and that is the Chalet Shaffer in Woodsville was burned down by a new heater that was just installed and the person who owned that sports bar left in kind of a hurry.
Another thing that bothers me is that the person that owned Gary's Fuel and Linda's One Stop started selling off everthing he owned right after 2004 and he left Woodsville and moved to Las Vegas before he had sold everything he owned and seemed to be in a hurry. Another thing that seems to bother me is that Jet Star started a junkyard around 2004 and put in a levy of sorts below the junkyard and then the town shut that junkyard down after jetstar put in all the money and time to put in all that dirt to state spec's but they didn't seem to put up much of a fight when told to shut down the junk yard by the town. Another thing that bothers me is that person just had another house burn thats like house number 14 that has burned and the insurance keeps on paying, seems odd that one person can have that many fires in a lifetime!
It seems odd that the vegetable stand on Rt 25 closed it's doors around 2004.
Just to name a few people and places that just seemed to either close up shop or move away after 2004 and they all seem connected in one way or another.
Maybe I have a vivid imagination and maybe I am way off but these people seemed to scatter after 2004 when the pressure was put on the town of Haverhill.
I know the places you speak of. I feel you and I should chat privately sometime.
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I did not mean to suggest that she would try to submerge herself in the river or anything like that. However, it would have been a good way to get out of the area for a great athlete like Maura to make her way down the embankment and to follow the river until she was well away from prying eyes. Again, I am not suggesting that she turned into a mermaid of the river and swam away.
As far as tracks are concerned, much like the old joke which asks if a bear does something in the woods will anyone haer him, if nobody was looking for tracks near the river the next snowfall would have quickly filled them in.
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Hiding out in a frozen river in Feb., I would think it might be quite cold for a person to hide out in a river unless they were hiding out after they were dead.
The river that runs nearby doesn't flood in Feb. like some individuals asked, the rivers flood in the spring of the year around March and April when the snow is melting fast off the mountains.
As far as a trailor hitch comming in contact with Maura's car that could have happened if she came in contact with the red truck from Mass. that was seen in the area on the same day as the accident or accidents. There were multible accidents called into dispatch that night on Feb. 9th and when the Police got to the sites there was no accident untill they got to the MMM site where Sgt. Smith found Maura's Automobile in those tree's!
As far as someone going into the woods they would have left footprints in the snow unless they ran and leaped over a steep bank!
If Maura was killed by that jacknife they wouldn't have done that in a house unless they did it in a bathtub where they could wash the blood up!
I don't know if there is a connection between Maura's disappearance and Tom's death and all the fires up in the Mountain Lakes area but I know one thing alot of crime happened in 2004 and 2005 in that area and some of the crime that happened could have been to cover up more serious crimes commited by the ring of criminals.
Tom used a cabin on the back side of Lake Tarleton in Piermont but that camp was burned sometime around 2003 but I do not know the exact date.
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I showed a photo of the Saturn's hood damage to a guy with decades of body work experience and asked him what might have caused the dent. Completely neutral, no prompting. Without any hesitation he said, "looks like it hit the back of a pickup truck." I asked him whether the damage could have been caused by hittng a trailer hitch? "Oh, sure. Definitely." I asked him whether the damage could have been done by hitting a tree. "Definitely not," he said.
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#1227
Jun 20, 2008
 
There were unusually high snowbanks the winter of 2004, frozen and packed in place, if Mauras car hit, I believe it would have been a solid stop! There was a light dusting of snow and warming temperatures that night, a few days after a full moon.
BeagleBart, Thank you for continually asking questions.
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#1228
Jun 20, 2008
 
All possible except for the airbags deployed
mean what?
BeagleBart wrote:
I showed a photo of the Saturn's hood damage to a guy with decades of body work experience and asked him what might have caused the dent. Completely neutral, no prompting. Without any hesitation he said, "looks like it hit the back of a pickup truck." I asked him whether the damage could have been caused by hittng a trailer hitch? "Oh, sure. Definitely." I asked him whether the damage could have been done by hitting a tree. "Definitely not," he said.
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#1229
Jun 20, 2008
 
hi gvmeabrk and all .it is reported that sgt Smith went to the window of the school bus on the old forum or as i like to think of it the old blockage.amherst and Mauras prior life is so so important.did sgt Smith get into the bus or not ,and if not why not.did mrAtwwood have time to leave his home in his car before sgtSmith showed up.looking at the pictures of the Westmans house sgtSmith could not see mrAtwoods house if he used the door on the left side of the house[mrMtwood lived to the right of the Westmans facing there house from the saturn].according to coach Lafreniere Maura never ran a race for umass amherst.best to Sooz the sharpest tool in the shed .take care philip

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#1230
Jun 20, 2008
 
WTF wrote:
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This is a possibility. I believe that was the initial working theory from police according to the MM website for several reasons. I think that there is a good possibility that she is close to where the car was located and poor searching has "cleared" certain areas. One of the things I have read is that family and “helpers” have so riled up the locals that getting permission to search those areas again would probably be difficult.
I wish we knew more about what areas where searched and the quality of the searches but I have not heard any of this information.
Bill
There is a trail system that runs right through and around that area that is open for PUBLIC use---I use it all the time with the ATV in good weather and snowmobile in the winter--I've walked it many times with my dog as well. I wasn't present at any of the searches, but no one has ever bothered me while riding or walking. On 112 there really are not many houses--in Mt Lakes there are more but on most days, there are not many people there as it is more of a "2nd home" community and not the primary residence for a lot of the people. During the searches, I was never approached if anyone could search my yard or the woods surrounding it.

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#1231
Jun 20, 2008
 
whiston wrote:
hi gvmeabrk and all .it is reported that sgt Smith went to the window of the school bus on the old forum or as i like to think of it the old blockage.amherst and Mauras prior life is so so important.did sgt Smith get into the bus or not ,and if not why not.did mrAtwwood have time to leave his home in his car before sgtSmith showed up.looking at the pictures of the Westmans house sgtSmith could not see mrAtwoods house if he used the door on the left side of the house[mrMtwood lived to the right of the Westmans facing there house from the saturn].according to coach Lafreniere Maura never ran a race for umass amherst.best to Sooz the sharpest tool in the shed .take care philip
Philip, I was under the impression that there was a track meet in Providence at some point that she ran in while at UMass--possible vs. Brown Univ. I don't have a date though but will continue to search.

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#1232
Jun 20, 2008
 
anyquestion wrote:
There were unusually high snowbanks the winter of 2004, frozen and packed in place, if Mauras car hit, I believe it would have been a solid stop! There was a light dusting of snow and warming temperatures that night, a few days after a full moon.
BeagleBart, Thank you for continually asking questions.
I agree, for a week or two immediately prior to the disappearance (right around January 24th actually) the temperatures were BRUTALLY cold---10 below during the day on a couple of days---that would've made the trees impossible to hit through the snowbank.
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#1233
Jun 20, 2008
 
With the temperatures that low, I wonder how hard was the surface of the snow that had been on the ground? My thought is this: I know that very hard frozen snow can be solid enough for someone to walk on without necessarily breaking through. Maura was not a heavy girl, and she wasn't wearing heavy boots or shoes. Does anyone think it could have been possible for her to walk on hard-surfaced snow for at least a short distance? If so, there may well have been no tracks.
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WOW....

The next thing you know.....you'll have MAURA walking on water.

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