Where is MAURA MURRAY

FireCat wrote:

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That it was. Good point. Knowing when Sunday morning the student saw her would be helpful--was it 3 AM Sunday morning, for instance? If it was 10AM Sunday morning, it's less likely it was Maura, because she was with her dad off campus then.
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Insurance companies ALWAYS take photos of damage after an accident, for documenting purposes for filing the claim. If you need a better understanding of that, ask your relatives (you know the ones I mean). They'll give you the skinny on that better than I can. I only know from the receiving end of accidents.:-s
If that's not the question you're asking, please clarify. My White Wash to FireCat dictionary might be incomplete, LOL.

I read SOMEWHERE---one article or another, that she was seen Sunday afternoon around 3 or 4 with the hockey bag...I'll search when I get a real internet connection!

Mason wrote:

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No member of her family even accompanied her back to school. Fred Murray drove the Saturn to somewhere within 100 miles of Amherst. He called AAA and had them hook-up the Saturn and tow it to the parking lot at Kennedy Hall. Maura rode in the tow truck. Fred Murray drove home.
He exerted quite an effort to help her commute to her clinicals by providing her with a mechanically unsound vehicle that she was afraid to drive. But then she probably didn't need one since the clinical in Norwood was only 100 miles each way.
He also made quite an effort to help her move back to campus after the long break. Bridgeport is 104 miles from Amherst and there was no tow fee for a tow less than 100 miles. So, he took some time out of his terribly busy schedule to drive to a drop-off place.
Of course, he did buy himself a new car so he had expenses.
What a great dad!

I'd describe this comment as being straight from Hell, but that would be too kind.

Sara wrote:

Does anyone know if the tow truck driver that Maura rode with to Amherst was questioned for information? After all, the damage appears to be done by a tow.

Questioned for information by LE?

Please send the link of the article. Much appreciated................. JMO I think who ever said they over heard it was looking for attention. What person would say that while at the same time looking for remains of your dead sister................... don't buy it

Oh Many one - you're back :-)

Mason wrote:

I believe Fred Murray had used the AAA tow idea before. My response "not to my knowledge" referred to your question about whether anyone talked to the tow truck driver.
I have asked many times for information about the Saturn from the family regarding its condition before it was towed to Amherst, after it arrived there, and when it left there.
My questions have been ignored.

I'm sure they were more than glad to provide information that you could use to further bash her father.

Did you ask anyone else? Or is family all you could think of asking?

It is interesting here, there are some whom have harped for years about the poor locals being picked on and bashed, maligned, singled out, and talked about in an unnecessary critical way.......and then there is this carefully orchestrated barrage, tirade (whatever you want to call it..........attack! Interesting. It speaks for itself.

Dawn wrote:

I get really irritated when people bash the family. friends from UMASS lurking her - which I think is probably likely

because everyone not in family is bad, bad, bad, and everyone in family is very, very good, but bad people are not in family, they are hurting and therefore cannot be bad. them hurting equals them not being bad. period. lurkers, stalkers, people in buses and red trucks, officers of the law, old people who can't dial 911 fast enough, all are very, very bad. but not family, never. family is very, very good. always. forever. good. singled out as good as everyone else is outed as bad.

quick, let's make up an answer to these people's questions so we can get the focus off amherst and back on haverhill. if they learn about amherst, they may discover something.

let't unify as a troop rallying for the family, to protect their character at all cost by not allowing any inquiry that may jeopardize their character. in the meantime let's make character assasinations of anyone and everyone else that we can to get the focus off Amherst and onto Haverhill. let's put dangerous questions to bed really quickly by having phony PI's give such obtuse and conflicting answers that no one will know what way is up or down. let's do it all in the name of finding Maura! READY SET GO!

Shack wrote:

I believe that Maura drove her father's new
Corolla from CT...following Fred driving the
Saturn. At what point, if at all, the
Saturn was towed to Amherst, I don't know.
Because I don't see what this has to do with
Maura's disappearance, I don't have to know.

Because determining what condition the Saturn was in before it left Amherst would answer a buttload of questions. 1.) could it have been driven from Amherst? 2.) Was it damaged in anyway before leaving Amherst 3.) knowing more about the reason why Maura didn't want to drive the car may shed some light on her taking a chance to drive it the day she disappeared. I'm sure there are others that I'm just not thinking of right now

looking4amoose wrote:

<quoted text>I read SOMEWHERE---one article or another, that she was seen Sunday afternoon around 3 or 4 with the hockey bag...I'll search when I get a real internet connection!

Found it, sorry it was Monday between 3:30 and 4:30 PM

Mason wrote:

I believe Fred Murray had used the AAA tow idea before. My response "not to my knowledge" referred to your question about whether anyone talked to the tow truck driver.
I have asked many times for information about the Saturn from the family regarding its condition before it was towed to Amherst, after it arrived there, and when it left there.
My questions have been ignored.

are you by any chance Whiston?

Anne wrote:

It is interesting here, there are some whom have harped for years about the poor locals being picked on and bashed, maligned, singled out, and talked about in an unnecessary critical way.......and then there is this carefully orchestrated barrage, tirade (whatever you want to call it..........attack! Interesting. It speaks for itself.

95% of the conversation on this board is accusatory in one way or another towards SBD, LE, other Haverhill locals, etc., etc. I don't know who is innocent and who is guilty, but considering the ringer they get put through I think it's fair enough that they become upset by it. Yet, anytime things involving Amherst, her personal life, or her family are brought up for questioning it's deemed immediately not important, or something that was discussed before, or in violation of basic ethical principles, etc. etc. It's a very lopsided forum in terms of etiquette, and those of us who see that can't help but to wonder why.

just once someone says something slightly negative about the family, that isn't even accusatory, and the defenders come out with their teeth showing, but the SBD, CW, LE, are either directly or indirectly accused 50 times a week, and those who are here to defend them probably can't keep up with it all.

i'm not here to defend anyone. i'm accussing you of spinning your lies. not that everyone lies, but those of you who are lying know who you are and you must feel really bad about yourselves. lying will eat you up on the inside. it will make you weak. you'll feel guilty for it. i'm glad i'm not you.

Dawn wrote:

Citigirl
Could you please answer Mason's question about the Saturn's condition at Amherst? Since Fred dropped her off at the dorm - perhaps he saw it. If he didn't - post that and we can put that to bed.
Or any friends from UMASS lurking her - which I think is probably likely - post the Saturn's condition.
Thanks in advance!!
Dawn

I had posted long ago that the Saturn had never been in an accident before Feb. 04.

This is over-simplified, but let's give a certain large business the name "LP," just to make it easy.

LP is a privately held business, which primarily manages the wealth of the family that owns it. Historically, it has managed and invested more Rockefeller money than any other firm.

Sometimes LP partners with other companies or individuals, sometimes it does not. In the past, it was known by a somewhat different name, but was considered one of Wall Street's most venerable investment firms until it shuttered itself in the 1970's.

Keeping in mind the oversimplification here, and the fact that large, sophisticated investment firms are comprised of many people, not all of whom always act in unison, or even get along very well.

LP owns the school bus that stopped at the Rt. 112 crash site.

LP ultimately was the driver's employer.

LP had an office across the street from Kennedy.

LP bribed former Gov. Rowland, who was sentenced to one year in federal prison for having accepted the bribe.(Actual charges were honest services mail fraud and tax evasion.)

Maura was likely acquainted with someone who played a significant role in the 2004 Rowland corruption scandal. Or she was at least well acquainted with someone who knew the scandal player. The player has an Amherst connection near Kennedy (not LP's office).

John Regan was charged with attempting to abduct a high school track star (a runner, like Maura) in Saratoga Springs NY. Regan needlessly pleaded guilty.

LP paid Regan's lawyer a fee, ostensibly for an unrelated reason, not long after Regan pleaded guilty.

LP has large investments in Waterbury (including Naugatuck, Oxford, and Middlebury), which include a chemical company that manufactures water purification chemicals for municipal water supplies.

Molly Bish, the Sinclairs, Maura Murray, and the Saratoga Springs student were all last seen or attacked or abducted or whatever from places very near where these kinds of water purification chemicals are delivered.

John Regan and Rowland were on the same high school wrestling team in Waterbury. Wrestlers are usually, well, strong. Muscular.

Anne wrote:

It is interesting here, there are some whom have harped for years about the poor locals being picked on and bashed, maligned, singled out, and talked about in an unnecessary critical way.......and then there is this carefully orchestrated barrage, tirade (whatever you want to call it..........attack! Interesting. It speaks for itself.

You've been hanging out with those attack ducks way too long. I see no attack here.
The locals being bashed will never stop until either Maura is found and brought home alive or her body is found and the person caught.
Nothing is ever said by you Anne or any of the "team" when someone is accusing the locals of having something to do with Maura's disappearance even though there isn't a lick of evidence that they are guilty of anything.
If anything is said about Amherst or the family is mentioned in not the best of light the person that said it is chewed up and spit out by several of you.
Carefully orchestrated barrage???? You're giving us(whoever us is?) far too much credit.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

Shack wrote:

I believe that Maura drove her father's new
Corolla from CT...following Fred driving the
Saturn. At what point, if at all, the
Saturn was towed to Amherst, I don't know.
Because I don't see what this has to do with
Maura's disappearance, I don't have to know.

I agree Shack and I am appalled at the cruel and unfounded remarks being made about Maura's family.

Dawn wrote:

Mason - where did you read that the sister made the comment about spending more time with the family? It is Kathleen in the black and white photos - she is clearly upset. I don't believe for a minute a family member would make such a comment.
Please post the link. I get really irritated when people bash the family. Perhaps her dad didn't have any more time off work so he did what he could.. sometimes that is the best we can do. Also Citigirl her cousin has stated several times. Her clinicals were in Holyoke - NOT norwood.
Just does not feel right when the family is truly hurting.

Citigirl stated her clinicals were at Norwood and Holyoke. See message #12273 p. 609.

My comment about Kathleen's remark, was in response to someone's comment that the phone call Maura received early Friday morning probably wasn't upsetting because Kathleen said Maura was just trying to find a way to get off work early and pretended to be upset. I mentioned Kathleen's remark and advised the commenter to be aware of some sister jealousy and not to take Kathleen's remark as gospel truth.

I did not intend to suggest that Kathleen hated Maura.

I also did not intend to suggest that Fred Murray hated his daughter. I do believe, however, that he was very angry at her.

I believe we cannot find out what happened to Maura unless we know her intent and state of mind when she left Amherst. Those two factors are directly relevant to evaluating whether she intended to commit suicide, was considering it, or whether she wanted to start a new life.

I don't believe she was murdered.

And speaking of wrestling (not to mention HGH, anabolic steroids, etc.), how about Nashville's TNA? The wrestling outfit bought by the company formerly known as Panda Holding(s).

Is this the same company? Can't be.

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Where did the Sinclairs live?