Where is MAURA MURRAY

peripeteia Nova Scotia wrote:

also, passing clinicals and University requirements does not guarantee a Registered Nurse
designation, this is a separate examination....
lots of hoops to jump before one gets a R.N. license
I'm having an anxiety attack remembering all the hoops and loops, shutter to remember!!!!!!!!

"All clinical attendance is MANDATORY" It still boggles my mind as to why she would give up her position in the program by going up north at the beginning of a week of clinicals......it certainly seems like there is more of an answer in Amherst yet to be discovered.

propaganda firetruck wrote:

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FireCat, your answers seem to indicate that you are "in the know" about things that the rest of us aren't. But I'm willing to bet that you have no more knowledge of what the facts are than Mason or anyone else.

No, I obviously just don't conveniently forget things that have already been previously mentioned multiple times in order to make spurious allegations about the family....

propaganda firetruck wrote:

BTW, I have a friend who is a PI that knows for a FACT that FM is a jerk. He is willing to meet with anyone at the Dunkin Donuts in Columbine Valley CO on Feb 9 to show you his gun, a slide show, and his credentials. This will prove once and for all that FM is a jerk and finally put this whole thing to rest.

PWahahahahahahaha!!!! As if an assessment of someone's character could EVER be something more than OPINION.

I've been refraining from using this particular colloquialism, but, in a word,....DUH.

FireCat wrote:

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My. How helpful. And how accurate.
Not.
Do you know for a FACT that Fred didn't accompany Maura to school? That she rode in the tow truck and he went home? If so, where did you come across this alleged fact? Or are you just out there bashing Fred for no apparent reason with statements that have absolutely no truth to them whatsoever?
The reason the car went back to campus at all was so they could use it for some sort of trade in; they made plans to go car shopping, which they did the weekend she disappeared. My recollection is that Maura rode WITH FRED IN THE COROLLA back to campus, piggy-backing the tow truck. That is what I recall hearing from Helena.
IN THE MEANTIME, Maura was getting a ride from someone else to Norwood.
FRED WAS DOING EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO ARRANGE FOR NEW AND SAFE TRANSPORTATION FOR HIS DAUGHTER. To say anything otherwise is absolutely ridiculous. He did more than most parents would probably do. Most parents would probably just leave her old car sitting in the driveway. Fred went to the extra trouble of getting it back to campus so that it could either be repaired or traded in.
Where is this other ridiculous business coming from, Mason? I mean, other than your extremely vivid imagination.

OK--but back to basics....what was so important to Maura that she would leave Amherst in the same car that she had to have towed 100 miles?

I probably wasn't the first and I certainly wasn't the only person to call Fred Murray a jerk. I called him a jerk because of three reprehensible things he said about local law enforcement and they have at least those three solid fact-based reasons to dislike him.

I posted my message about towing the Saturn to Amherst 23 hours ago and the facts I set forth in it have not been refuted. I've been torched by a few people for my sarcasm, and maybe it was inappropriate. Those facts speak for themselves, however, and I don't see how they can reasonably be interpreted in a flattering manner.

I'll repeat what I've said many times previously. We need to know Maura's intent and state of mind when she left Amherst to decide whether suicide or a desire to start a new life was on her mind. It's absurd to claim, as Fred Murray has claimed many times in the past, that everything that happened to Maura since she left West Point is "not important."

The only way the information would not be important is if she was murdered by someone who just happened to pass by the wrecked Saturn at an opportune moment. If Fred Murray knows that happened, then I'd like him to explain how he knows it.

I don't think he knows what happened, and if I'm right he should stop insulting everyone's intelligence by claiming the Amherst story isn't important.

M

Mason wrote:

I posted my message about towing the Saturn to Amherst 23 hours ago and the facts I set forth in it have not been refuted.
M

What facts did you post? I missed any facts in that post, except for the one that the Saturn arrived to Amherst via AAA.

If there was another FACT in that post, I would love to see it. But I won't sit with my head in a dry-cleaning bag while I'm waiting.

looking4amoose wrote:

<quoted text>OK--but back to basics....what was so important to Maura that she would leave Amherst in the same car that she had to have towed 100 miles?

This is exactly what I keep thinking; why would she do such a stupid thing? Either she did not do it and never left, or something was so bad that she was forced to drive her clunker as far as it would take her.

looking4amoose wrote:

<quoted text>OK--but back to basics....what was so important to Maura that she would leave Amherst in the same car that she had to have towed 100 miles?

Assuming that it was Maura in the car at all, I'd say fear is what led her on the trip north.

So I have thought for awhile that Maura may never have left Amherst, but then I keep going back to the dogs picking up a scent. For those out there that believe she may never have left Amherst, how do you explain the scent that the dogs discovered?

Sara wrote:

So I have thought for awhile that Maura may never have left Amherst, but then I keep going back to the dogs picking up a scent. For those out there that believe she may never have left Amherst, how do you explain the scent that the dogs discovered?

Whomever was in the Saturn, could they have lightly carried her scent from the vehicle onto the road?(excuse the poor grammar..........wasn't sure how else to phrase it)

looking4amoose wrote:

<quoted text>Whomever was in the Saturn, could they have lightly carried her scent from the vehicle onto the road?(excuse the poor grammar..........wasn't sure how else to phrase it)

Mason may answer this better than I. What do you think Mason? Can other people carry someone's scent if they have been in close contact?

Whiston -

IIRC, you recently said Maura was asked to leave USMA. IOW, she was expelled, or at least suspended. Is this correct? If so, was Maura Murray's departure from West Point related to doping? If she was thrown out, was it for anything to do with using performance enhancing drugs?

Sara wrote:

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Mason may answer this better than I. What do you think Mason? Can other people carry someone's scent if they have been in close contact?

Scent dogs are trained to follow the dominant scent presented to them on the scent object. The handler presented the dog with a glove and gave the command to follow the scent.

The complicating factor is we don't know if Maura ever tried them on. I think it's probable she did even if she never wore them. The dog likely followed the scent it associated with the glove. It's possible the dog may have detected more than one scent on the glove and the scent it followed was the only "match" it detected when given the search command. Could that scent not have been Maura's? Yes, but it's difficult to express the answer in probability terms.

Questions like yours demonstrate the need to regularly test a dog with a variety of mixed scent objects to see how accurately it does. I don't know if that was done with the dog in this case.

Did LE ever question the Vermont antique dealer? Could well be he knows something that would help.

What would Mr. C. the antique man know? That is Rutland Vt we are talking about. Quite a distance from where the car was found.

Mason wrote:

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Scent dogs are trained to follow the dominant scent presented to them on the scent object. The handler presented the dog with a glove and gave the command to follow the scent.
The complicating factor is we don't know if Maura ever tried them on. I think it's probable she did even if she never wore them. The dog likely followed the scent it associated with the glove. It's possible the dog may have detected more than one scent on the glove and the scent it followed was the only "match" it detected when given the search command. Could that scent not have been Maura's? Yes, but it's difficult to express the answer in probability terms.
Questions like yours demonstrate the need to regularly test a dog with a variety of mixed scent objects to see how accurately it does. I don't know if that was done with the dog in this case.

What type of glovers were they. Were they a one size fits all, or particularly sized? If someone else drove the car, they may have wore these gloves. It has been speculated that the x-mas items found in her car had been there since x-mas. I wonder why? Did she feel detached towards the items?

Anyway... it's possible that the dominate scent on the gloves and the dominate scent trail the dogs followed were not Maura's scent. It doesn't really prove things either way. Also, the scent trail was 2 days old, and on a cold, wet road with a lot of traffic. It's possible that the entire exercise was inaccurate.

Mason wrote:

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Scent dogs are trained to follow the dominant scent presented to them on the scent object. The handler presented the dog with a glove and gave the command to follow the scent.
The complicating factor is we don't know if Maura ever tried them on. I think it's probable she did even if she never wore them. The dog likely followed the scent it associated with the glove. It's possible the dog may have detected more than one scent on the glove and the scent it followed was the only "match" it detected when given the search command. Could that scent not have been Maura's? Yes, but it's difficult to express the answer in probability terms.
Questions like yours demonstrate the need to regularly test a dog with a variety of mixed scent objects to see how accurately it does. I don't know if that was done with the dog in this case.

OK---so Maura tries on the gloves, leaves her scent on the gloves.....her scent would also be on the floor of her vehicle where someone else's shoes would pick up the scent there (due to dead skin, particles, etc be all around)...the dog matches the scent on the glove with the scent left in the road from the bottom of the shoes that picked up the particles etc from inside the Saturn.

propaganda firetruck wrote:

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...It has been speculated that the x-mas items found in her car had been there since x-mas. I wonder why? Did she feel detached towards the items?.

If the car was towed to the parking lot in Amerst it could be that she never bothered to bring all the things into her dorm room. She was not back long. I wonder if she was sleeping somewhere else.
Has it been reported than her friends remember seeing or being in her dorm room?

Sara wrote:

So I have thought for awhile that Maura may never have left Amherst, but then I keep going back to the dogs picking up a scent. For those out there that believe she may never have left Amherst, how do you explain the scent that the dogs discovered?

There's no way of proving that the scent the dog (I believe there was only one dog) followed was Maura's. The dog was presented with a scent article--the gloves. The dog followed THAT SCENT to the stated point.

If someone else had the gloves on, that's whose scent the dog was following. The dog can't tell you WHO he's smelling, only where that smell went.

That's why they like to use articles that are deeply imbedded with one person's scent. Like, underwear is good, or gym socks, or a stuffed animal someone sleeps with every night. Something that's definitely that person.

propaganda firetruck wrote:

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Mason never said FM was a jerk. I did. Mason actually called FM, and I quote "a great dad!" If you don't believe me, go look it up, since were gettin on a encyclopedia kick here.

Nah, I didn't believe you...and, of course, you've got your facts mixed up, Mastermind/propaganda firetruck, et al. I've done the work.

You've misrepresented yourself and another...while endlessly shouting accusations about lying and cover ups...that is, unless you are one in the same.

I'll look more closely as you and Mason bash/target Fred Murray in a bid for new information.