Where is MAURA MURRAY

Sara wrote:

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Being that nobody is saying " that witness was wrong", then one has to assume that the police have either not checked into it, or that the witness is standing by his story. It is not rocket science, either he saw her or he did not.
Also, why are the names of the NH witnesses plastered all over the media articles, yet no mention of any witness names from Amherst. I think it strange, but maybe there is a logical explanation. Anyone have an explanation?

Yes. A huge effort by many to prevent the general public from knowing about Maura's personal life in Amherst. I am not saying that I want that information, but it will be needed by anyone that wants to solve this mystery.

phillip:

Of course the above said,we should still examine what happened in Amherst,

Not that we need to know but law enforcement needs to determine, who made the upsetting phone call, the realiability of the witness who saw her on Sunday, or Monday or if there was another witness, and if Maura was afraid of anyone there, or someone was stalking her at the art gallery, or residence. Also the peculiar remark of her friend that, "she had changed recently". And as some have speculated if she was staying elsewhere other than the residence, or seeing someone else, the latter two which I personally doubt.

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April 2, 1777

Sir:-To the bearer of this, who is going to an A-Frame, presses me to give him a Letter of Recommendation, tho' I know nothing of him, not even his Name. This may seem extraordinary, but I assure you it is not uncommon here. Sometimes, indeed one unknown Person brings another equally unknown, to recommend him; and sometimes they recommend one another! As to this Gentleman, I must refer you to himself for his Character and Merits, with which he is certainly better acquainted than I can possibly be. I recommend him however to those Civilities, which every Stranger, of whom one knows no Harm, has a Right to; and I request you will do him all the good Ofices, and show him all the Favour that, on further Acquaintance, you shall find him to deserve.

I have the Honour to be, etc.

FireCat wrote:

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Peri, he said the first time he answered you he doesn't know, only that he could confirm it as fact. I understand you want to confirm it as fact with evidence, but as we all argue here time and time again, if someone can't confirm why they know something or why something happened (only that it did) they simply can't.
As philip himself will tell you I'm sure, asking again and again when the answer isn't known isn't going to produce the answer.....

Whiston, has replied just after you, two people told him that Maura was asked to leave West point.

Snowy White wrote:

Mastermind/prop. firetruck -
In scanning back over several hundred pages, your position is abundantly clear.
Nameless and faceless on the internet, you play the role of a frustrated detective of sorts, demanding information to support your theories and to justify the barrage of accusations hurled against the Fred Murray family. Unfortunately, your theories and opinions are not made any more credible by your name changes.
Mason, too, is committed to "exploring" (by stealing Maura's reputation) in the manner of accusation and dishonor. Together, you partner to blame the victim(s) and play with the lives of human beings.
It is interesting to me that Weeper and Columbo are willing to step up and meet interested parties to advance conversation. I respect that effort.
Everyone has an opinion, but no one can claim the "truth".

Snowy, you obviously didn't read my posts very carefully. You really crack me up. You think you are perceptive and you play this role of the ethical princess, and you try to analyze people and then make decisions about their character. Which is all fine. But I had a sneaking suspicion from the very beginning that the things you said about people were inaccurate. Now that you have made some type of perception about my character and did so with great error, and I now must say that my feelings towards your credibility are less than ever.

I am not trying to say anything is fact here, so I am not climbing the same credibility ladder as most people. Peolpe can choose whether or not to believe what I am saying, and that is fine. The fact that you take yourself so seriously is a perfect example of the rigidity and inpenetrable dialogue that occurs on this site.

There is such an obvious attempt here to keep people from inquiring on her life at Amherst, that everyone continues to go over the same scenarios in Haverhill over and over again. It's good because there are probably more answers there, but there a hell of a lot more answers in Amherst.

peripeteia wrote:

phillip:
Of course the above said,we should still examine what happened in Amherst,
Not that we need to know but law enforcement needs to determine, who made the upsetting phone call, the realiability of the witness who saw her on Sunday, or Monday or if there was another witness, and if Maura was afraid of anyone there, or someone was stalking her at the art gallery, or residence. Also the peculiar remark of her friend that, "she had changed recently". And as some have speculated if she was staying elsewhere other than the residence, or seeing someone else, the latter two which I personally doubt.

yes, and the one that said "I don't want to get her in trouble"

whiston wrote:

hi all ,If we were allowed to know which gallery Maura worked at we would know what hours she could have worked and fill in some of her last weekend in Amherst.Also if we knew which ATM she used it might show which way she left town and if she used her own bank.Some of the galleries were only open from 2to 5 pm.Some opened at noon.I assume that at some point mrMurray and maybe Maura went to the toyota to look at the damage and pickup personal items, glasses ,paperwork etc. from the car.I also assume that if mrMurray was speaking with his insurance company on sunday a.m. he would need a V.I.N. number and maybe other documents from the car.Did the beer cans come from the car , i dont' know.Was Maura going to or from Kennedy Hall when she was seen with the bag of cans. Maura did not tell Sara Alfieri that she had bent the toyota just hours before she got her cell phone back.Did she go back to Kennedy hall and decide to return beer cans? too weird..take care philip

With all due respect, whiston, I don't understand why the inquiring public is assumed to be entitled, just for the asking, to information about an ongoing investigation.

That is, unless I misunderstand, and you are just asking questions, thinking and wondering out loud, but do not necessarily expect a response.

Nameless/faceless individuals state the answers to their questions will not compromise the formal investigation...but how can they make such declarations with certainty?

God forbid, if I were facing these circumstances, I would certainly not put my faith and trust in strangers posting online.

Importantly, while you are persistent, the nature of your questioning is not accusatory; others, however, are escalating to the point of bullying, IMHO.

propaganda firetruck wrote:

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Yes. A huge effort by many to prevent the general public from knowing about Maura's personal life in Amherst. I am not saying that I want that information, but it will be needed by anyone that wants to solve this mystery.

I understand her family does not want to talk about her personal life, but this has NOTHING to do with Maura's personal life, it has to do with the case. They are eye witness accounts for goodness sake. Very crucial ones at that. After all, the person that said they saw her @4:00pm on Monday would have been THE LAST person to see her in Amherst.

Excerpt from and article written by H.P. Albarelli Jr.

"A former FBI profiler, who declined to be identified for this article, and who was asked to review the facts contained in this article, said, "Based on the materials I've seen, I would not rule out anything, including a serial killer in one or both cases, especially the Murray case. With all the media and Hollywood focus on these type killers they have become all the smarter and devious.… I also wouldn't rule out that either state could see a reoccurrence of these events sometime soon."

Maurice Godwin, a nationally recognized expert on serial killers, said last week, "In my expert opinion I believe that a local individual who has killed at least two times previously is responsible for Maura Murray's abduction and murder. Maura locked her car as if she anticipated on returning to the car once she found help. Her attack and murder was for a sexual assault and the murder was to do away with her as a witness. Yes, I believe a stranger serial killer is responsible for Maura Murray's disappearance."

Godwin said the facts so far presented in the Maitland case seemed to point to abduction or foul play committed by someone Brianna Maitland most likely knew.

Vermont State Police Lt. Brian Miller said, "We have taken no theories off the table. We give every lead and tip our most serious attention. This is a tough case, no doubt, but we will solve it."

A New Hampshire State Police spokesman, who declined to discuss any details of the Maura Murray case, said, "We are doing everything possible to solve [Murray's] case."

Fred Murray, who still routinely drives from his home in South Shore, Mass., to New Hampshire to search for his daughter, said, "Nobody knows how much I miss Maura. Nobody can imagine the hurt at not knowing where she is. It's a hurt I wish upon no one. I will find my daughter."

elsewherebriefly wrote:

Excerpt from and article written by H.P. Albarelli Jr.
"A former FBI profiler, who declined to be identified for this article, and who was asked to review the facts contained in this article, said, "Based on the materials I've seen, I would not rule out anything, including a serial killer in one or both cases, especially the Murray case. With all the media and Hollywood focus on these type killers they have become all the smarter and devious.… I also wouldn't rule out that either state could see a reoccurrence of these events sometime soon."
Maurice Godwin, a nationally recognized expert on serial killers, said last week, "In my expert opinion I believe that a local individual who has killed at least two times previously is responsible for Maura Murray's abduction and murder. Maura locked her car as if she anticipated on returning to the car once she found help. Her attack and murder was for a sexual assault and the murder was to do away with her as a witness. Yes, I believe a stranger serial killer is responsible for Maura Murray's disappearance."
Godwin said the facts so far presented in the Maitland case seemed to point to abduction or foul play committed by someone Brianna Maitland most likely knew.
Vermont State Police Lt. Brian Miller said, "We have taken no theories off the table. We give every lead and tip our most serious attention. This is a tough case, no doubt, but we will solve it."
A New Hampshire State Police spokesman, who declined to discuss any details of the Maura Murray case, said, "We are doing everything possible to solve [Murray's] case."
Fred Murray, who still routinely drives from his home in South Shore, Mass., to New Hampshire to search for his daughter, said, "Nobody knows how much I miss Maura. Nobody can imagine the hurt at not knowing where she is. It's a hurt I wish upon no one. I will find my daughter."

How does Godwin know for fact that is was Maura that locked the car? Did they do a DNA test on the locks? If they did not, then he can't state that as a fact. If they did do the test, why would they not release the information? This would put to rest the constant thought that Maura never left Amherst and would probably decrease the interest in her personal life @ Amherst.

propaganda firetruck wrote:

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Snowy, you obviously didn't read my posts very carefully. You really crack me up. You think you are perceptive and you play this role of the ethical princess, and you try to analyze people and then make decisions about their character. Which is all fine. But I had a sneaking suspicion from the very beginning that the things you said about people were inaccurate. Now that you have made some type of perception about my character and did so with great error, and I now must say that my feelings towards your credibility are less than ever.
I am not trying to say anything is fact here, so I am not climbing the same credibility ladder as most people. Peolpe can choose whether or not to believe what I am saying, and that is fine. The fact that you take yourself so seriously is a perfect example of the rigidity and inpenetrable dialogue that occurs on this site.
There is such an obvious attempt here to keep people from inquiring on her life at Amherst, that everyone continues to go over the same scenarios in Haverhill over and over again. It's good because there are probably more answers there, but there a hell of a lot more answers in Amherst.

I happen to agree that Amherst is a logical place to seek answers, although I personally object to your approach...to the entitlement you presume by whining and demanding to gain access to any portion of the Murray family's tragedy.

Be realistic...the active, formal investigation is assumed to be appropriately conducted by officials.
If you choose to submit your findings to the system, there is a process in place to do so.

The matter of Maura Murray's disappearance is not a feast for the curious, for entertainment, or for the desire and will of the ego-driven.

peripeteia wrote:

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truth:
the note was discounted, as it was old, and had nothing to do with anything, related to why she packed up her boxes and leaving. Unless of course someone else packed her boxes and was trying to railroad a later investigation. What too we do not know if Maura had unpacked from her return from a month's vacation two weeks prior, but for sure Billy identified the note to be an old note, and there was nothing to infere running away or a suicide in the making.

Peri,

I recall reading that Billy Rausch did not find a note. He only found a stack of letters he wrote to Maura. An old note or letter to him would have been an unlikely discovery since she would have mailed it to him or tossed it. If he found a note to him, I suspect it would have been a recent note that she had not mailed to him, or a note she specifically left for him on top of her stuff.

I also recall reading that the campus police said she left him a note. They entered her room first and I suspect they found a sealed envelope on top of her stuff with his name on it. I doubt they opened it. Instead they told him about it and he would have broken the seal and read the note or letter when they admitted him to the room. Yet, he supposedly said she didn't leave a note.

I find his statement difficult to believe, unless it was a suicide note and he didn't want to say that in public. This might explain why, within a few days of her disappearance, he said he thought she was dead. At least, I recall reading that he did, although my memory is not firm on that point. Maybe someone else recalls.

M

Sara wrote:

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Being that nobody is saying " that witness was wrong", then one has to assume that the police have either not checked into it, or that the witness is standing by his story. It is not rocket science, either he saw her or he did not.
Also, why are the names of the NH witnesses plastered all over the media articles, yet no mention of any witness names from Amherst. I think it strange, but maybe there is a logical explanation. Anyone have an explanation?

Sara, Good question, several years ago, I wondered the same but in searching Mass. papers, names of friends, etc. were posted. During an earlier time, comments and such from friends were posted. Hope this helps.

Peri
In NH you can't search by a zip code. We can in WA state. This would put alot of speculation to rest if we could see how many sex offendors there are in that area. In NH you can only search if they harmed a child or you know their name.

Dawn, How to search that site was explained to you in an earlier post. I forgot who posted to you.

When you get to the page, do not fill in any info, just press submit and it will give all names by city.

Dawn, forgot to add that you are correct. Offenders are against children only. I believe that should be changing this Jan. to add against adults. Elsewherebriefly know the info on that I believe

On a sireous note.

In my lifetime I have experienced the suicide of a close friend - the circumstances which cannot be adequately explained by fact - other then his natural state of mind, as he personally explained to me.

My good friend was not a saint - he had his sins -as does everyone human.

In any case I feel it important to suggest - that if one happens to stumble upon a new fact - listen to your conscious - it will tell you what to do.

peripeteia wrote:

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Moose: Whatever the reason for her meltdown, fatigue, fear, private, it did not necessarily happen in Amherst, perhaps it happened before and she just happened to be in Amherst when it caught up to her, but whatever it was that was happening in her personal life, it was MAJOR STUFF, as she placed herself in a precarious position in regards
to hooking out of clinical under false pretenses.

Peri,

Since you admit that MAJOR STUFF drove Maura to leave Amherst, whether it happened in Amherst or someone else, don't you agree that whatever it was it's relevant to deciding if she left Amherst with the intent of killing herself or starting a new life?

The people who live in the community where the Saturn crashed and Maura disappeared have good reason to resent the focused and unrelenting suspicion that someone in their community abducted and killed Maura. I would feel that way if I lived there. In fact, I would feel like I had a duty to defend my community and the police because the suspicion is so unfair and one-sided.

I would be furious to be told that any question about Maura's intent and state of mind when she left Amherst is "not important" because some dirt bag in my community obviously killed her. To also be accused of blaming the victim and exhibiting some sick form of pleasure from tarnishing her image as the All American Girl would just about drive me stark raving mad.

Why do so many people seem so unable to grasp the fundamental unfairness of this situation?

Anne wrote:

<quoted text>Sara, Good question, several years ago, I wondered the same but in searching Mass. papers, names of friends, etc. were posted. During an earlier time, comments and such from friends were posted. Hope this helps.

Anne, I don't recall either of those witnesses being mentioned as Maura's friends. I know many of her Amherst friends were named in old articles, but neither the Sunday morning witness or Monday @ 4:00 witnesses were named.

Nicely said and when you figure it out please
let us know!

Mason wrote:

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Peri,
Since you admit that MAJOR STUFF drove Maura to leave Amherst, whether it happened in Amherst or someone else, don't you agree that whatever it was it's relevant to deciding if she left Amherst with the intent of killing herself or starting a new life?
The people who live in the community where the Saturn crashed and Maura disappeared have good reason to resent the focused and unrelenting suspicion that someone in their community abducted and killed Maura. I would feel that way if I lived there. In fact, I would feel like I had a duty to defend my community and the police because the suspicion is so unfair and one-sided.
I would be furious to be told that any question about Maura's intent and state of mind when she left Amherst is "not important" because some dirt bag in my community obviously killed her. To also be accused of blaming the victim and exhibiting some sick form of pleasure from tarnishing her image as the All American Girl would just about drive me stark raving mad.
Why do so many people seem so unable to grasp the fundamental unfairness of this situation?