Where is MAURA MURRAY

Wowzer wrote:

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Why after 5 years did Columbo come out with this huge "fact"? Especially after talking about a red truck for over 5 yrs.Think about it.

Maybe it was only now he was permitted to release this information publicly, since it's an ongoing investigation.

Wowzer.

So are we to assume you were there looking for prints on BH rd. in the days following the accident. Why would you have been looking for any prints in the few days following the acc.? Even if you drive this rd everyday, would footprints in the snow on the side of the road be something you would even be paying attention to? People stop to get mail, pull over to clean windshield, get ice off wipers, maybe take a leak.

How do you know this is a fact, a real fact? People in the area were never questioned until 3 to 4 days later. I need more info to believe this, sorry.

I read Stanger's ex-wife said he often braggged about killing as a Marine. I wonder if by chance he knew a marine in Franconia.

Annetna wrote:

Wowzer.
So are we to assume you were there looking for prints on BH rd. in the days following the accident. Why would you have been looking for any prints in the few days following the acc.? Even if you drive this rd everyday, would footprints in the snow on the side of the road be something you would even be paying attention to? People stop to get mail, pull over to clean windshield, get ice off wipers, maybe take a leak.
How do you know this is a fact, a real fact? People in the area were never questioned until 3 to 4 days later. I need more info to believe this, sorry.

I guess you don't live in the woods. I have always looked for tracks when driving the roads. More so when I walk the roads.I still do and probably always will. I like to know what animals are around and where the deer, moose etc. are traveling thru. Many hunters check the sides of roads for prints to see where the deer are moving.
I believe I stated much earlier in this forum that when I heard that Maura was missing I also checked both sides of 112 all the way to North Woodstock looking for foot prints.
While fishing the river later my eyes were always looking for any trace.
So I guess my answer would be yes, you can assume I was looking for prints on BHR.
Oh, and I couldn't care less if you believe me or not.

AnnEtna,

There were footprints in the snow. While speaking to Citigirl months after the fact one of the neighbors pointed out behind his house and stated there were footprints left in the snow that night.

Citigirls also spoke to a resident walking her dog on Feb 9th as she usually does on Route 112. The dog became aggitated, started barking, and acting up so the resident turned around.

This information that was posted by Citigirl on this Topix forum.

Re: The Red Truck

The significance of the red truck was made public within months of Maura's disappearance. I remember reading about it during my initial research when I learned about Maura's disappearance. It was something that stayed with me. When RO came forward on MMM the day of the volunteer search this was simply confirmation for me. We then went on to discuss the numbers of red trucks pulled over the following day that were reflected on the Grafton County Sheriff's Dispatch logs. I believe that (3) out of (6)vehicles stopped were red trucks.

I am sorry others might have missed this information and have been made to feel it might have been some sort of a 'bombshell'.

Everyone's focus is different I guess.

I am thankful to Detective Columbo for elaborating on the witness statement. I was not aware the vehicle had actually stopped and the driver exited the vehicle.

I still don't agree with the statement that an outgoing call goes to her phone using the london berry tower. Where is their proof that the other caller is from Sprint ? To know that it was a call handed off to the sprint tower and that is what handed off the call from Londonberry - we definatly would have info that proves that. Calls to her phone would have been carried by the orignal caller - passed to the MSC ( wireless version of cetral office -also referred to as the swith) which would then determine the fastest route and what towers can handle the phone

If the caller - called from a landline - it would go to the central office - tower - msc - tower -(multipe) if from out of area - then to phone.

BOTH INFO WOULD REQUIRE A SUBPOENA..

This is a very tedious process and would need a subpeona - sent to both carriers.

How do we know the caller was at lodon berry -
Most important - where was the original caller calling from - who handed the call off to lodonberry.

This above is on Wikapedia re: londonberry
What newspaper is this on?
Due to the process - I doubt ( read ALOT) the info would be passed to the family. This info is only shared to the originater of the subpeona

Beagle
Your writing style is soooooooooooo obvious. If you left out some comma's. Everyone would not be so on to you..........you would think by now you would have figured it out

elsewherebriefly wrote:

AnnEtna,
There were footprints in the snow. While speaking to Citigirl months after the fact one of the neighbors pointed out behind his house and stated there were footprints left in the snow that night.
Citigirls also spoke to a resident walking her dog on Feb 9th as she usually does on Route 112. The dog became aggitated, started barking, and acting up so the resident turned around.
This information that was posted by Citigirl on this Topix forum.

Elsewhere wasn't that the house on 112 where the accident happened? The one that said the SBD never backed into his driveway? If there were footprints where did they go to? It's hard to believe no one followed them. Why didn't the dogs pick them up? The scent would have been stronger in the snow than on a bare traveled road. Why is this persons word taken as the truth and not questioned when others have been portrayed as a liar? I can tell you though that they didn't come out on BHR.
With the amount of animals in the woods it is to be expected that a dog being walked at night in the dark would bark and carry on. It would be protecting it's master against the unknown. For anyone that is close to here just listen at night to the coyotes howling in the distance especially this time of year.They've been very vocal lately. Awesome but scary at the same time. My dog does not like the sound of them or the animals walking in the woods at night and barks and carries on when let out to go potty .Their ears can hear much more than ours can.

Wowzer,

I think White Wash mentioned HPD/EMS/Fire did in fact do a search that night and a search was conducted in the days to follow so I'm sure they may have seen the footprints as well.

When it comes to dogs my perspective is somewhat different. I also reside in an area surrounded by woodlands and it is not uncommon for a deer, fox, or rattlesnake to come right up to my house. We walk out in the woods just about every day and although they might stop and look when a deer is around I've never witnessed them ever barking or becoming agitated.

My golden retriever is just a pup and somewhat unpredictable with noises and smells. Much like your dog he barks at everything under the sun and moon when I leave him outside in the yard. My neighbor told me that Beau starts barking every time he gets ice out of the freezer. Beau can hear him hitting the ice tray on the counter..lol.

My former dog was a big old black lab and reacted to things in a very different and seasoned manner.

The woman walked her dog on the same route every day at the same time so I'm sure there has been wildlife before and after the incident on Feb 9th. I believe deer come out at around dusk to feed? I'm sure at around 7pm during the warmer months they walked by deer, moose, fox, in the woods??

My black lab only reacted to to human adrenaline and fear. Lots of people were afraid of him though and and he only reacted when someone was up to no good. I bring my dog to work with me and for years I've crossed paths with convicted felons. Of the hundreds of felons my dog only disliked one of these individuals. I later learned this individual was a rapist and a repeat offender.

The incidences where Buddy would become agitated and begin barking were few and far between and usually happened during the wee hours of the morning where I'd open my front door and find an unwanted person prowling around the neighborhood.

He also had a knack for smelling decomposition and sent me on a number of wild goose chases through the woods. They were always other animals but his sense of smell and his determination to show me was something that amazed me.

I really don't know if that woman's dog was just a pup like Beau or and older conditioned dog like Buddy.

Given that she went to Citigirl with her story about her dog tells me the manner in which her dog acted was out of usual character.

It's an interesting coincidence just the same.

Just like Looking4amoose's and Sophie Bean's dog's becoming agitated while walking by the A-Frame.

I am just tryin to get it all sorted out.

Just - curious fo those that talked to Citgril and Heleana - Did the immeadiate family not post on here due to the negative info.

I don't know if MM said bad things about her dad or sister?? anyone from old site?? please anser - greatly appreciate it

Perhaps, the didn't want to condone the site.

Dawn wrote:

I still don't agree with the statement that an outgoing call goes to her phone using the london berry tower. Where is their proof that the other caller is from Sprint ? To know that it was a call handed off to the sprint tower and that is what handed off the call from Londonberry - we definatly would have info that proves that. Calls to her phone would have been carried by the orignal caller - passed to the MSC ( wireless version of cetral office -also referred to as the swith) which would then determine the fastest route and what towers can handle the phone
If the caller - called from a landline - it would go to the central office - tower - msc - tower -(multipe) if from out of area - then to phone.
BOTH INFO WOULD REQUIRE A SUBPOENA..
This is a very tedious process and would need a subpeona - sent to both carriers.
How do we know the caller was at lodon berry -
Most important - where was the original caller calling from - who handed the call off to lodonberry.

Dawn,

It's LONDONDERRY, not londonberry.

Still DO NOT believe that is a fact. Would believe - that is where she picked up the call from.......... I do not believe that another sprint caller - called - handed off to other towers/cell sites then on to her phone. That info would not be publicv.. SERIOUS legal issues for Spint that is for sure - the FCC would have a fit.

Weeper/Columbo/Citigirl
please validate the information. They do NOT give out info on the callers whereabouts -ever. Who is this person - this would be required authorization from caller. This caller coud have been anywhere - the call could have simply gone from the original tower - passed on to Londondberry - then on to the tower where Maura was located.

This really makes me question the Wikapedia info

Who put up the Wikapedia?? Her family ?

Dawn,

The subpoena/search warrant was obtained by someone who did a bit of research at the Grafton County Courthouse. Although I may be wrong, I don't think it was meant to be public information. It was something White Wash presented on this forum.

An outgoing call was made to Maura's cell phone number in the late afternoon hours that pinged off the Londonderry cell tower. This (outgoing cell phone) call (to Maura's cell phone)was made within a 22 mile radius of that particular tower. I am familiar with that area and can think of a number of towns and cities that are both in NH and MA where that call could have been placed.

As for the Wiki page, it's been up for years and I believe the person who devised the page to be both both credible and sincere in his intentions. It's been ages since I've reviewed the Wiki page but I personally found the information/timeline provided to be accurate.

Dawn wrote:

I still don't agree with the statement that an outgoing call goes to her phone using the london berry tower. Where is their proof that the other caller is from Sprint ? To know that it was a call handed off to the sprint tower and that is what handed off the call from Londonberry - we definatly would have info that proves that. Calls to her phone would have been carried by the orignal caller - passed to the MSC ( wireless version of cetral office -also referred to as the swith) which would then determine the fastest route and what towers can handle the phone
If the caller - called from a landline - it would go to the central office - tower - msc - tower -(multipe) if from out of area - then to phone.
BOTH INFO WOULD REQUIRE A SUBPOENA..
This is a very tedious process and would need a subpeona - sent to both carriers.
How do we know the caller was at lodon berry -
Most important - where was the original caller calling from - who handed the call off to lodonberry.

Dawn - a transcription of the Subpoena (you conclude had to be issued) has in fact been posted in Topix thread, twice in the past.

I'm not going to write a 20 page report for you, just because you haven't bothered to look for evidence.

I amd many other people have discussed the evidence and debated and speculated on its significance extensively - its up to you to look.

In my last post I said that its clear to me that you hold on to beliefs contrary to evidence presented to you. I was trying to be kind and not bring it up again - but your question is outright deceiving along with Snowy's completely off the mark statement hoping the old timers would do it for you - together with your wild accusation that I am many other posters I've never claimed to be - but in fact outright denied it - somehow implies that if I don't do your research and write a report for you - it somehow that proves I am Beagle, Harry "Alden."

Well, everyone knows that's ridiculous. Its even further outlandinsh, because in the detail I go into below - I've yet to see you base your conclusions upon evidence - what's the point of even gathering it for you.

In my last post - I said you ignored evidence and held your beliefs anyway. I was refering specifically to the incident with Mason in which I presented evidence to show that he was who he said he was - but in multiple Private Messages to me you continued to insist otherwise - never making clear why you drew that conclusion.

Again a few days ago you didn't bother to follow up on a web site, yet decided that it was hillareous.

I really question your motives - and why you are here. It certainly doesn't appear thast your purpose is to add any clarity, but instead to propagate spin.

Your pretense in asking for facts is telling.

BF - Where would I get this so called "subpeona" ?????????? The info would only be given to LE or an attorney. The family would NOT - repeat NOT be given info on the "caller's" website.

Please produce this evidence. I have looked and also confirmed with a old co-worker who currently works for Sprint.

Check out my "facts" on the internet regarding wireless.

Why has the 'famous attoney for the Green River murderer (Gary Ridge - convicted) not spoken up regarding this FACT.

I do think beaglethebart is funny - the dog outfits are pretty cute - and using a animal pychic is interesting to me. I will check out their store for dog treats next time I go to Portland/Vancouver. WA

Please, Please - with sugar on top - State your FACTS.. We all want to hear them..........

Where is Maura Murray ????? You have facts - present them

oops meant callers cell - site..

Very strange indeed - you think its odd I ask for facts.

What info do you think LE and PI's ues??????? Pretty obvious. I also asked which one are theories - this is used along with profiling the perp.

I will go read the first 600 pages of topix and look for the subpoena. I hope the document is really there and not just a theory about it existing.

Advocator
If this exists - please post on the other forum

Also - read again. I have already gone through it multiple times. I never saw this docment.

HOLY MOLY- so surprised we didn't hear the FCC filed a suit. Old Judge Green would have put them in prison.......... Any attorney/LE/PI would tell you - this info would NOT be given to the family.

If LE/attorney gave this out in a press statement. Stop the presses the FCC would have brought charges. Old judge Green would have had a hey day.

If I am wrong.. doubt it. I will apologize. As you can see from my other posts I have always admitted when I was wrong.

Sorry - google searches do not prove a darn thing. I checked and confirmed - he not NOT the attorney for the famous - The Green River murderer was on the loose for years - made national news!!! You questoned me on using the word famous -how would I know he was famous.. Come on here. I think we can agree he is famous - not for the right reasons - just like Ted Bundy or Jeffery Dahlme.. not sure how he spells it and dont have time to look.