Where is MAURA MURRAY

Quija wrote:

If there was no log of the call about a suspicious red truck on BH road, then I'd guess either there WAS NO CALL, or maybe it was told informally to LE, like for example Butch telling Cecil in person or on private cellphones....

There was no cell phone signal in that area and any call would go thru dispatch so it would have been logged as a suspicious vehicle if it was called in. I could be wrong but wasn't it the PI that heard and came out with the information about this red truck on BHR? Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

propaganda firetruck wrote:

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Are you saying that 1 in every 10 random people driving by that spot on any given night is a maniac killer? No way.
Think about it. Isn't there more of a chance that a random person picking her up from the side of the road aided her in getting away rather than killing her?
That being said, I don't think anything about her disappearance was random.

Nope, i'm not saying 1 in every 10 random people in that spot etc... might be a maniac killer. I think I've been affected by those posters CONVINCED BEYOND ALL DOUBT, BEYOND CONSIDERING ANYTHING ELSE, THAT MAURA JUMPED INTO OR WAS FORCED INTO A CAR WITH A SERIAL KILLER. It ain't likely, is it?(I wanted to acknowledge that there IS a slim chance, but probably a lot slimmer than 10%.) Almost seems like she might've been waiting near that scent-end spot for someone in particular. Like a non-perp guy in a red truck with a Mass plate cruising nearby looking a bit frantically for someone (her). And some posters are trying to make that red truck suspicious by saying it was pulled over on BH Road and called in, when I always thought it behaved like SOMEONE LOOKING FOR ONE PARTICULAR PERSON. If "they" make us believe it was a suspicious vehicle, they strengthen their stance that it was a killer and he abducted Maura.

Thanks for making me correct what i said that 1 out 6 or 1/10 passers-by could've been a bad guy. I was Under the Influence of fellow posters.

A Serious Question: How do we resolve this? If one of us says it's a remote possibility Maura was taken by a perp in that low-trafficked area, then others post, "well, it happened to... and ....". So, we have to acknowledge that it IS possible. If we could come up with statistics that show that 1 out of every 25,000 girls who travels alone gets abducted (fake numbers here), then we have HUGE odds it won't happen. But then, back to the same thing... those who are SURE Maura was abducted can say that maybe she was the ONE. The only thing I can think of is that most rational posters might agree that there is a chance, a small chance, that that happened to Maura at that time at that spot. And continue to investigate other things that are far more probable.

long winded. and unproofed.

Wowzer wrote:

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There was no cell phone signal in that area and any call would go thru dispatch so it would have been logged as a suspicious vehicle if it was called in. I could be wrong but wasn't it the PI that heard and came out with the information about this red truck on BHR? Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

yes, i believe Columbo came out with this last week.
How come it wasn't in the log?

Hi Snowy et al.,

The other day I was saying we are NOT all on different sides, and THEN I post these definitely untactful and undiplomatic posts (above)!! So, I guess it isn't SIDES so much as how we each APPORTION probability to the different things that might have happened. And regardless of how we rationally apportion probability to these things (to Maura being abducted at that spot, abducted later, helped at that spot, hid at that spot, going off to end her life from that spot or running away to start a new life from that spot), HOW TENACIOUSLY WE CLING TO OUR OPINIONS regardless of their probability, is the source of some friction.

The same can be said for the degree to which we each believe that any of us are trying to mislead, distract, or divert others.

So, I apologize for joking about being influenced by those who are certain Maura was abducted at that point. It's not fair to joke about that opinion. It's some posters' opinions and it's as valid as any of my opinions using what I estimate to be the probabilities.

I wish there were others here to talk to tight now. Did I bore you all to sleep? Or worse, back to your jobs?

I agree Quija - I tend to lean towards the more probable. I really want to know if the florida guy had access to a red truck. From what I have read about serial killers - they can't stop and they cannot be reformed. Most likely this guy has killed before - and many times. The article that was posted on the other site - had a scary statisic.......... Of how often. A recommended read - especially about the rapist. Good info for anyone to know.......... You can enrage them even more depending on the "type". So sad for those that have been in that situation.

Quija wrote:

Hi Snowy et al.,
The other day I was saying we are NOT all on different sides, and THEN I post these definitely untactful and undiplomatic posts (above)!! So, I guess it isn't SIDES so much as how we each APPORTION probability to the different things that might have happened. And regardless of how we rationally apportion probability to these things (to Maura being abducted at that spot, abducted later, helped at that spot, hid at that spot, going off to end her life from that spot or running away to start a new life from that spot), HOW TENACIOUSLY WE CLING TO OUR OPINIONS regardless of their probability, is the source of some friction.
The same can be said for the degree to which we each believe that any of us are trying to mislead, distract, or divert others.
So, I apologize for joking about being influenced by those who are certain Maura was abducted at that point. It's not fair to joke about that opinion. It's some posters' opinions and it's as valid as any of my opinions using what I estimate to be the probabilities.
I wish there were others here to talk to tight now. Did I bore you all to sleep? Or worse, back to your jobs?

I'm here, Quija...was away for several hours. Upon your reflection, you conclude exactly what is forefront in my mind...that is probable vs. possible vs. likely vs. actual.

You needn't apologize for anything. You were not untactful or undiplomatic, IMO.
If we DARE think, we find ourselves going in a circle with many more questions than answers.

When I stated to someone that I wish I could be more analytical in this effort...the reply was that there is little to analyze.
Therefore, I give you and everyone tremendous credit for searching with so few facts to reconstruct.

It's a puzzle without many pieces.

Quija wrote:

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yes, i believe Columbo came out with this last week.
How come it wasn't in the log?

I haven't a clue why it wasn't in the log. I'm sure if the right person is asked though there will be a mysterious dramatic reason for it.
After all it could'nt possibly be as simple as maybe no one actually called it in.

Wowzer
I am curious - What is your most probable theory? Being from the area - what do most think happened on that end?

I just ran a search and there are a lot of hits on the internet re harvesting human eggs. I wanted to know what the procedure involves, and this article tells that and a lot more:

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/magazine/art...

And it is not without risks, as this article points out:

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php...

Based on this information, it sounds as though it is not a "walk in the clinic and get it done" kind of thing -- time and tests are involved. If Maura had planned to take off a week to go and have her eggs harvested, then presumably she would have had to have been celibate for the previous 2 months, and undergone the testing and hormone injections. Injections she could have done herself, but seems to me a couple of days would have been needed for the testing. Not to mention ultrasounds done in the wake of the hormone injections. We are talking time here and I don't see how she could have fit all that into her schedule.

On the other hand, if we are talking did she decide to leave school and take the time to get this done (staying elsewhere) so she could pay back her father for damage to his car, and also perhaps pay off some college debt or credit card debt, then *where's the money*? Those things were apparently never paid off.

There are several fertility clinics in New Hampshire, at least 3 of which are under Dartmouth-Hitchcock, but none of the clinics appear to be very near the Haverhill area.

Whether Maura had this in mind for herself or not, after reading just the first article I could be persuaded that she at least knew about it and may have known someone at school who did this.

Very interesting - considering that the accident to her dad's car happend on Sunday morning and she left Monday............. Does not sound like the timing is very likely. There isn't enough time to call around and ask where to go - get the much needed testing etc. This is getting more and more popular with the current economic situation

Thank you Beagle/Alden for finally stating your theory in a way we could understand it. The riddles are difficult to figure out. Thanks

Dawn wrote:

Wowzer
I am curious - What is your most probable theory? Being from the area - what do most think happened on that end?

It depends on who you talk to. Some that I have talked to think it is possible she was under stress and had to get away and after seeing all the searches and time spent looking for her was afraid to come back. Some think she's in Canada living.
There are also some that think she ran from accident and was picked up some distance away by someone outside the area.That time of year there would have been something found if she was near this area.Places to hide something is very limited in the winter with side roads plowed in and the ground frozen.
In MHO although it is possible I find it not probable that someone from this area did something to her. I say this because I know many of the people and there is one and sometimes two young women that jogged these roads in the darkness of the evening and early in the morning before it got light out. One still does.Every day in snow and rain no matter what the weather they ran and were never bothered by anyone. Children riding bikes and walking were never bothered.
While anything is certainly possible I don't find it probable that any of the people that have been dragged thru the mud had anything to do with her disappearance. JMHO and nothing more.

Wowzer wrote:

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I haven't a clue why it wasn't in the log. I'm sure if the right person is asked though there will be a mysterious dramatic reason for it.
After all it could'nt possibly be as simple as maybe no one actually called it in.

Haha. I think I'll go with your final option!

I guess I also believe that since the PIs are experienced detectives, anything said to us has been thought out and has a purpose. Even if the info is not true, it's purpose has to be related to getting at the larger truth.... might be related to one of us overreacting to it or fixating on it in a suspicious way (uh-oh, ME!), making a perp feel safe or else under the gun, or other methods of finding out something new...

I would agree. The chances of someone involved is lurking on this site - are probably high. The trained PI's would know what things to look for - especially if a stance is always in a defending way of a possible perp. I would guess if someone was involved - they are on here watching what we post .. the thought sickens me..........

whoever is involved - lock em up and throw away the key - put them in general pop like they did dahlmer and let the general pop take care of it.

ok.. had to vent.. just can't believe it has been 5 damn years and nothing. as I have said before - someone out there knows something..........

I don't know if I told you all but I did email Nancy Grace - I encourage you to do so too from the cnn site. With the possible break in the Bish case - I am hoping she will talk about Maura on the anniversary.............. That is how I got here was from CNN........... Let the story be heard............. exposure brings answers - answers bring closure.

Just looked on CNN - crime 2nd headline is "Nancy Grace heats up cold cases" click on link and down below is Maura's story.

A quick simple email could help.......... The forum mentions they would like to solve the case.......... This is our chance to really get the word out. This time someone might be listening or reading CNN........ They see Maura - and go - wait a minute I remember her...

I noticed on the case mentioned below Jennifer Keese's - from CNN airing her mothers story on the ANNIVERSARY - they were able to raise the reward money.......... I know it has been raised again. Everything has a price - maybe the amount was not high enough for someone to turn on a friend............. alot more finacially desperate people right now............ I think it is the perfect time to offer some cold hard cash for a cold case - solved

Quija wrote:

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Haha. I think I'll go with your final option!
I guess I also believe that since the PIs are experienced detectives, anything said to us has been thought out and has a purpose. Even if the info is not true, it's purpose has to be related to getting at the larger truth.... might be related to one of us overreacting to it or fixating on it in a suspicious way (uh-oh, ME!), making a perp feel safe or else under the gun, or other methods of finding out something new...

I hope you're right about that Quija I really do. There is only one PI doing not all but most of the talking and I wonder why. Is he working alone and if not do his other partners agree with what he is saying. When someone that is supposed to be a professional accuses the public and or the LE even in a round about way by saying that yes it is a probability that they had something to do with a crime with no proof at all to back up their accusations then it makes me wonder about this person. I wonder why he doesn't confront and question CS with his theory that it is a strong probability that he caused the damage to Maura's car with the police car instead of damaging a police officer's reputation on a public forum. By spreading untruths it only adds to the confusion and damages innocent people's reputations IMHO. Maybe next week at DD's would be a good place to have a face to face talk with the Sgt and ask him if he damaged Maura's car and had something to do with her disappearance.

I can understand your frustration Wowzer from being from the area. do you at least agree - LE did have inconsistancies at the very least ? Not saying they are at fault - but so soon after she went missing the neighbor filed a complaint. This to me is asking for public backlash. When I first read that - I could not believe what a cold hearted person. It wasn't like it had been years of searching - it was only months and of course he would want to search. JIMO - some did ask for some skeptical views - perhaps they didn't think clearly if so - easy to go on record and fix that perception

Quija wrote, in part:

"The same can be said for the degree to which we each believe that any of us are trying to mislead, distract, or divert others."

I largely agree with you. I think that it is wrong to assume that those who disagree are looking to mislead. I don't believe any such thing. I particularly doubt that many citizens of the area are trying to mislead, and I think that I uderstand their anger that that may seem to be suggested. Let me be clear once again, I have absolutely no animosity at all toward anyone who ISN'T trying to willfully mislead.
I DO have animosity (at best) toward anyone who IS trying to willfully mislead.
I think it would be foolish to ignore the possibility that some are here for exactly that reason. The only "person"/entity that I've seen hereabouts that I am convinced is here for that reason alone is Alden/Beagle and the clones.

That said, and I sort of hate to mention it here, since I was recently the target of a ridiculous smear campaign at a topix thread that's related to this one, I am a little suspicious that someone in the area is willfully misdirecting about the Franconia 5/11 tragedy. To claim absolute lies about me because I was perceived to disagree is VERY strange behavior. This may have nothing to do with Maura's case, but sionce one of the purported POI's in Maura's case is a central figure in that case, I have to wonder a little bit.