Where is MAURA MURRAY

Someone got up on the wrong side of the doghouse this morning.

John wrote:

PART TWO (see PART ONE)
That said, this simplest theory for explaining MOST of the facts does not explain them all. There are three issues for which there is NO simple explanation, at least as I see it.
1. Why was her car headed east on 112? There is no conceivable destination for Maura, given what we know, for which that was her most direct route. If she was headed to Stowe or Burlington, she should have taken I-89 back at White River Junction. If she was headed to Bartlett, she should have taken 302, particularly in the winter, particuarly if traveling alone, and she would have known that, being familiar with the area.
2.Why was their a rag in the tail pipe? The only purpose of putting a rag in a tail pipe is to prevent the car from starting, or because you want to induce a backfire, or to make it stall.
3. What in that 1:00 a.m. call upset her so severely that she had to leave work early?
So what is the simplest way to explain these three additional issues? I have taken a shot at it. Not saying this is correct or anything more than a guess, but I would interested to hear what others think.
Maura was involved with a man beside her boyfriend. This might find some corroboration in the nature of her communications with Rausch around this time, which were both sappy and distant. The relationship was a secret. He was driving her car and hit Vasi. After leaving the scene, 40 minutes later, he calls her and tells her that he was involved in a hit and run with her car. This would likely upset her. There would also be some damage to her car. She and the man eventually decide to get out of Dodge for a time, in the aftermath of the accident. Maura starts looking for destinations. By the time the Saturn departs Amherst on Feb. 9, they may or may not have had a reservation somewhere. She gets the booz and some money to pay for the room. At some point prior to departing or during the trip, the idea comes to them to stage an accident to explain the damage to her car from the Vasi incident. This would also explain why it took 3.5 hours from Maura’s presumed depature time (4:00 p.m. after buying the booz and visiting the ATM) to the time of the accident, just before 7:30. At conservative speeds, that is a 2.5 hour trip. Less than that if you marginally exceed the speed limit in I-91. In other words, the extra time is explained by the fact that Maura and the man were looking for a suitable location to stage the accident.
This theory does not directly postulate an idea about who put the rag in the tail pipe, but it is more consistent with the rag being there than Maura or someone else being alone in the car. We know the rag came from hre car’s roadside emergency kit. Therefore, someone inside the car most likely put it in the tail pipe. As mentioned, other than making the car not startable, it is difficult to think why you would put a rag in a tail pipe. Nobody would worry about a car being hot wired in rural NH. The suggestion to me is that one person who was in the car did not want the other person to be able to start the car, suggesting perhaps that one of them had reason to depart while the other stayed at the scene.
This does not explain what ultimately happened to Maura. But, based on what I know, I feel it is the best (and simplest explanation) of how the car destinated on 112 east and why she was upset by the call at work, given both the simply explained and more exotic facts of the case. Moreover, it is more consistent with the rag in the tail pipe than Maura being alone.
Not asserting this as the truth, but just as a feeling. Wonder what others might think.

John,

I posted both aspects of this theory a couple of months ago -- an affair and the Vasi H&R. My twist on it was that in both instances the boyfriend had a secret agenda to get rid of Maura as well as the car because Maura was pregnant with his child.

Fred Leatherman

Wowzer wrote:

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Your reply makes no sense and has nothing to do with the questions I asked.
My next question would be why are you turning my questions into the direction of blaming the local LE once again.
It was the PI's according to Fred Murray himself that has withheld evidence by not having it tested and storing it in a refrigerator.
There is more than one path here so don't jump on someone when they wander off the more popular path as it may hold new and different answers that could help.

Nothing at all directed at you. I was only commenting on the article that you had put the link to, so what are you talking about?

John, I find your theories sound, thanks for posting them. However, I have a feeling that someone(s) on this forum is about to get ugly with you (not me).

But if we throw caution to the wind and speculate anyway, we can apply the concept of Occam's Razor (many posters have already done so). However, we each make assumptions in our own way, and many people have applied Occam's Razor and developed differing theories as a result.

In my mind, following your trail of logic, I must depart from your theory where the abduction occurs. In my mind it is more likely that she received help or assistance from someone at or near the crash site. However, 5 years is a long time to stay away unless you are very motivated. To say she was abducted at the crash site is a HUGE assumption.

Shack is the poster who revealed for the first time about 6 weeks ago that the blood on the carpet at the A-Frame was menstrual blood. She never explained how she knew that was true.

Weeper told us that the carpet was separated into two parts. One was turned over to the NHSP and the other was retained by the PIs.

I am astonished to discover that Fred Murray is complaining that the PIs never tested their half. They have volunteered their time and effort for free and that is far more than anyone has a right to ask for. Testing is easy to arrange and not very expensive. Murray should have paid for it. Why didn't he?

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Nothing at all directed at you. I was only commenting on the article that you had put the link to, so what are you talking about?

I'm talking about what I wrote and you replied to. Doesn't really matter.

Citigirl said there is only one video and it's the ATM video that was never shown to the family.

The cops supposedly found a receipt from the liquor store when they searched the Saturn the next morning pursuant to a search warrant. That's how they determined what was purchased for what amount and what was missing.

I posted this theory last night on the other site.

We certainly lack conclusive direct evidence that Maura left Amherst because the SBD is the only witness who identified Maura as the driver and he reportedly said the driver looked like the girl in a photograph of Maura except that the driver's hair was longer. The rest of the evidence is circumstantial and consistent with several conflicting interpretations.

Whatever may have been the driver's motive, I do not believe the accident was staged. The location makes no sense as many others have pointed out, and who in their right mind would risk serious injury by intentionally crashing a car? Bill (WTF) has persuaded me that all of the damage was caused by the accident despite Detective Columbo's counterargument and a previous-accident-nearby theory is too complicated because it requires too many people doing different things at different times.

I do not believe the Saturn was damaged in Amherst and driven to NH to be abandoned because it was too badly damaged to make the trip and I also doubt that it was towed up there to be abandoned and somehow came loose from the tow in the curve at the Weathered Barn. The site of the accident is too far up the road and no one would have been in the car while it was being towed.

I believe the red pickup may have been involved but I am extremely suspicious regarding the recent disclosure that a witness saw such a vehicle parked on Bradley Hill Road about a half mile from the 112. The extremely late disclosure of that information together with no information regarding the time of the sighting causes me to question the truth of the claim just as I doubt the CW's claim about the runner that ducked into the woods.

I've never believed that Maura was abducted by a serial rapist/killer because the odds against it are overwhelming and I don't believe the suicide theory because I don't see any reason why Maura would have wanted to kill herself.

I've explored all of these possibilities and none of them satisfies me. I've even considered the possibility that Fred Murray may have accidentally killed Maura at the motel on Sunday morning during an argument prompted by the wrecked Corolla but I rejected it because she apparently called a friend on Monday and left a voicemail and she also finished a group writing assignment for one of her classes.

I keep returning to my good-samaritan theory. I suspect Maura was pregnant and Billy wasn't the father. I suspect the father wanted her to get an abortion, but she had strong religious beliefs against abortion. I don't believe she felt like she could discuss the matter with anyone she knew and this is why she felt compelled to get away from her daily routine to have time to decide what to do.

I propose that the hospital employee may have been a kindly older woman, possibly a nurse wearing scrubs, and when she stopped and offered Maura a ride, Maura felt safe and accepted. I suspect Maura broke down and spilled her guts later that evening at the woman's home and the woman helped her reach a decision and protected her through her network of acquaintances and friends. I think Maura kept the baby and decided to let Billy and her family believe she was dead rather than tell them what happened.

I admit that this is 100% speculation. I don't know how else to say it other than the explanation feels right to me. In fact, it feels so right that I doubt that I have anything more to contribute regarding this case, particularly given the paucity of facts with which to work.

I do not believe it's appropriate for anyone to question the hospital employee about this theory. I will not do so for what I hope are obvious reasons.

Fred Leatherman

Thoughts:

Maura was so distraught, frightened, or confused that she drove up north in a bad car which she refused to drive to clinicals or to the store.

Or the Saturn was not in as bad condition as stated.

Or it had been fixed quite recently.

Why would Maura, who reportedly had never taken that kind of trip ALONE EVER before, have gone up north to think things over when she could've gone back to her dad's in CT --- a shorter distance? And with support available?

By the looks of her dorm room and her behavior, refusals of help, and her un-truths, she was probably not planning on returning to UMass.

If she was the driver, she was not heading in the direction of Ohio, was she?

From what we know she wasn't into drugs or other illegal activities.

We have been going over and over and over and over things for years. The only thing that at this moment can explain for me what happened is that Maura (although high functioning) was having serious mental problems. Her age is not that much older than the time a young woman CAN NO LONGER COMPENSATE for schizophrenia. That would explain so much.

Sadly, one person I visited the Woodsville/Haverhill area with still believes that Maura did take her own life, and that it was within a mile of the Weathered Barn. To me every possibility is open, yet I know "this person" is almost always right-on. His opinion would also make sense if Maura was having serious psych problems.

We know Maura spoke to her dad Sunday night around 11PM. Do we know her dad's work schedule over the next 40 hours or so? He was residing and working about 1-1/2 hours south of Amherst. Was Maura's dad a smoker? How would a dad feel if he was helping his beloved daughter and she disappeared "on his watch"? It would be like a horror story for the dad, wouldn't it? If the dad knew she needed help, and then she disappeared just like that, it would be a bigger blow than imaginable.

Mason wrote:

Shack is the poster who revealed for the first time about 6 weeks ago that the blood on the carpet at the A-Frame was menstrual blood. She never explained how she knew that was true.
Weeper told us that the carpet was separated into two parts. One was turned over to the NHSP and the other was retained by the PIs.
I am astonished to discover that Fred Murray is complaining that the PIs never tested their half. They have volunteered their time and effort for free and that is far more than anyone has a right to ask for. Testing is easy to arrange and not very expensive. Murray should have paid for it. Why didn't he?

According to Mr Murray the PI's did not turn any sample over to SP but have it stored in refrigeration.
I disagree with something else that was said and that is that Maura had no place to run or ask for help.
She was offered to have the police called and refused that help. She also had 5 houses within sight that she could have gone to for help.
If she had gone to any of those houses there is no doubt in my mind that she would have been safe and helped and there would be no forums to reply to.

propaganda firetruck wrote:

John, I find your theories sound, thanks for posting them. However, I have a feeling that someone(s) on this forum is about to get ugly with you (not me).
But if we throw caution to the wind and speculate anyway, we can apply the concept of Occam's Razor (many posters have already done so). However, we each make assumptions in our own way, and many people have applied Occam's Razor and developed differing theories as a result.
In my mind, following your trail of logic, I must depart from your theory where the abduction occurs. In my mind it is more likely that she received help or assistance from someone at or near the crash site. However, 5 years is a long time to stay away unless you are very motivated. To say she was abducted at the crash site is a HUGE assumption.

Hey man thanks for your reply. If someone wants to get ugly with me, I hope they do. That could be interesting.

I wrote A LOT, I realize, so perhaps it did not come through that I don't claim she was abucted. I don't have any theory about what actually happened to her. My theory just explains how the Saturn (and by my theory) she got to 112 and OPR. Where I mention abduction was just up front to say that that is a simple explanation, but I go on to say that I have no opinion on that.

Nonetheless, thanks for reading and responding thoughtfully. From what I can tell, thoughtful posts do not always claim the space in this forum!

Mason wrote:

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John,
I posted both aspects of this theory a couple of months ago -- an affair and the Vasi H&R. My twist on it was that in both instances the boyfriend had a secret agenda to get rid of Maura as well as the car because Maura was pregnant with his child.
Fred Leatherman

Thanks for your reply Fred. Based on what I know so far, I don't have any thoughts on the possible additional theory of pregnancy and her companions motive. But I appreciate the concept and I am eager to learn more.

Just chiming in, John.
I am comfortable with the possible Vasi/accident connection to Maura and the Saturn and those circumstances being a reasonable explanation for her reaction to the call received while she was at work.
I, too, have considered that someone else may have accompanied her in the car...possibly drinking the liquor, as well.
I am less comfortable filling in the blanks, as you have...as to the relationship of that person to Maura.

FireCat wrote:

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Actually John that's one of those things that gets repeated so often people think it's a fact, especially if they've just gotten on board (hi by the way). Did you know that there is only ONE videotape? I can't recall off the top of my head if it's the ATM or the liquor store, but there's only tape at one of those two places. Weird, no?

Maybe she went to the ATM and liquor store before the Saturday night party.

Mason et al
Since Mason sent me a PM saying if I am looking to be sued for libel - I am doing a great job. My personal opinion - freedmom of speech I still do not believe he is who he states he is. My opinion.

I do agree Gary Ridgeway was a cold blooded murderer. Hence - his conviction with DNA to prove it.

You know 2:30 AM - maybe after.

Wowzer wrote:

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I'm talking about what I wrote and you replied to. Doesn't really matter.

Whatever Wowzer, you are just mad because people are upset with the LE up there. They have every reason to be.

Hello all,

I shall probably be sounding like the proverbial parrot by now, but here goes again:

Witness T.M. has apparently stated that he from the window of his home actually saw how the Saturn was being wilfully reversed into the snowbank on Rte 112 where it was later found.

This leads me to believe that the Saturn most likely arrived at this spot from the east (Bradley Hill Road or Rte 112 East), in order for its driver to perform that kind of reversing manouevre.

If the witness statement of T.M. is correct, then all this must surely imply that it for some reason was important for the driver of the Saturn to stage the accident close to several houses rather than in the wilderness a mile or so further east along Rte 112.

Apparently, the person(s) who faked the accident deemed it important enough for the Saturn to be found and identified to risk being seen doing so by witnesses nearby.
And, by all accounts, there was a witness in the shape of T.M.

Any ideas, comments?

Dawn wrote:

Mason et al
Since Mason sent me a PM saying if I am looking to be sued for libel - I am doing a great job. My personal opinion - freedmom of speech I still do not believe he is who he states he is. My opinion.
I do agree Gary Ridgeway was a cold blooded murderer. Hence - his conviction with DNA to prove it.

Dawn, I join you in being skeptical, with good reason, of certain proclaimed and shifting identities.
My interpretation of the PM is that someone doesn't like your questions.

Sara wrote:

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Whatever Wowzer, you are just mad because people are upset with the LE up there. They have every reason to be.

I'm not mad with anyone or anything. And who are you to state that I am? Just sick and tired of seeing new ideas, questions and new scenerios grabbed and dragged down the long going nowhere path by a certain few. It's a public forum. People can have different ideas and opinions. Let them without attacking or intimidating them!