Where is MAURA MURRAY

Lady Gray wrote:

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Oh oh, wait....one more thing. Mr. Leatherman, I worked side-by-side with attorneys for 25 years. Big law firms. International law firm. Nice professional working relationships.
I find you incredulous in the fact that you profess to be an esquire. You have lost your professionalism. Are you licensed in the State of Kentucky? Do you practice there? Is your license still current in the State of Washington?
Ever heard of such a thing as ethics in a professional capacity? You certainly don't employ them in the public forum for all to see.
Are you reallllyyyyyyyy Fred Leatherman????

I am a member of the Washington State Bar Association. I changed my membership status from active to inactive because I retired from the practice of law at the end of 2004.

I am now a law professor. I am not a member of the Kentucky Bar Association because I do not practice law here and have no need for a license.

Mason wrote:

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I am a member of the Washington State Bar Association. I changed my membership status from active to inactive because I retired from the practice of law at the end of 2004.
I am now a law professor. I am not a member of the Kentucky Bar Association because I do not practice law here and have no need for a license.

Because, really, why pay the dues if you're not using the license....

It is reasonable to speculate that Maura Murray is still alive and wishes not to be found. Period.

Beagle
What is the post number that states a phone call from the red PU? I can't find it. Again....... I ask how ? Did they know what # to research...... This is the first I have heard of this.

Beagle
Not to freak you out anymore - the field tech would not have access to check that - it is in the switch/central office. Tech's are 95% outsourced - they wear verizon logo's but are paid from a vendor. If you want to talk to a Verizon network admin - it can be arranged.

the final comment following the link is mine.

When a phone rings at two locations its called a premise extension. very different than being tapped. enough phone stuff - i think someone bamboozeled you.

I would like to hear a response from Weeper and Detective Columbo regarding Fred Murray's claim that the PIs have some evidence refrigerated, which they seized apparently last summer during a search, and they have not tested or shared it with LE.

I do not believe Murray's statement is true.

Are you able to confirm or deny it?

Fred Leatherman

propaganda firetruck wrote:

It is reasonable to speculate that Maura Murray is still alive and wishes not to be found. Period.

I agree.

Now I'm trying to figure out if I, or anyone else, should try to find her and I believe the answer is "No."

Maura is an adult and it's up to her to decide whether she wants to contact her family. It's not up to me or anyone else to decide for her.

Fred

FireCat wrote:

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Because, really, why pay the dues if you're not using the license....

If you have a problem with that, tell me what it is. Spare me your clever little hints.

Fred

Yes g

propaganda firetruck wrote:

It is reasonable to speculate that Maura Murray is still alive and wishes not to be found. Period.

I totally agree.

***the post below is authored by Quija and was taken from the "new" forum. my link to it at Topix #13853 caused it to be deleted.
her WISDOM is enlightening. the personal attacks on the "new" forum are appalling, IMO.***

hi fellow posters,

Just wanted to say that in spite of others' above posts, i'm not really on ANY side, anyone else's or even MINE, because........ I don't HAVE a side! haha. I just follow lots of different paths, and go with them until I realize or am shown that they just don't work. Then there's humiliation and then it's on to something else. Against reason, I guess I still feel one of us might drift towards the answer...

ben franklyne (poster, not pres) once talked about "shareware". If i got it right, it's posting software in the public domain, and anyone is free to work on it, to debug it, and it's a powerful thing --- so many people working on a problem rather than one person on his/her computer in isolation. The costs are large, however: giving up our egos, having to share in the working through of a puzzle, having to give up being THE ONE WHO SOLVED IT.

You can fast forward through the following ramble --- I just woke up and I'm not in a good mood after reading the 2 forums and below is just more of the same:

I don't understand (well, actually I do) why we need to get emotional and possessive about our ideas, as if they were miniature exhaled copies of OURSELVES. Little ego-bubbleclones! Make fun of my idea and you're making fun of me! I don't like being wrong. And it's really unpleasant if someone has an excellent reason why my idea doesn't float (no bathroom humor here!). Do you see how we're behaving here? And I thought I was the only one who was too emotionally immature to get through elementary school undamaged! For a group of above-average people we're at the level of, "No, YOU'RE the jerk!" Wouldn't this be a damn good place to go back 40 years and practice good playing skills (which I sure wish i had as a kid).

Over and out (if you're lucky)

...and so the original post has reappeared...

propaganda firetruck wrote:

It is reasonable to speculate that Maura Murray is still alive and wishes not to be found. Period.

That's what I was thinking yesterday when I sat near someone who looked so very much like a 26 year old version of the photos of Maura. Dimples and hair up, even. Obviously, it wasn't her, but I've never noticed anyone who resembles Maura so much, accounting for age.

It's a surprisingly weird feeling, and I could easily see how someone would be very convinced that they had really seen her and at the same time, if they had truly seen her, simply not say anything. It was a triffle weird for a moment, that's for sure.

Dawn wrote:

Beagle
What is the post number that states a phone call from the red PU? I can't find it. Again....... I ask how ? Did they know what # to research...... This is the first I have heard of this.

I don't know anything about a call from a red PU. If she worked in a gallery at all, it was probably not an off-campus one, so the red PU would be irrelevant. It often has cord wood in it, but it's a half-ton at best, not a 3/4 ton or larger and would never be confused with a stake body truck. I think it was stated somewhere that she worked in an on-campus gallery. There's one in SW, so maybe that's the one.

John wrote:

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Suzanne, thank you for your thoughtful reply. It is refreshing amid the apparent insanity that rules this forum. I certainly had the same thought about the possibility of the Londonderry caller have drawn her east from her original direction, perhaps to meet someone somewhere on 93. But where I lose that trail is that I don't think 112 was the best route. I am somewhat familiar with area, although maybe not as familiar as you. My understanding is the 302 is the superior route to Bartlett and to I-93. Hard to imagine a girl who some here say did not like driving alone taking instead a comparitively deserted back road like 112.
What do you think? I hope to hear more from you?

John, But you see, I picked Rt 112 as my route of choice simply by studying my map. Perhaps Maura did the same thing. I have never been on 112 but I have seen the MMM forum video of the part of 112 where her car was found, 112, at least in this video, looked very non threatening. Not a highway for sure but a reasonable albeit curvey road to drive on.

Mason wrote:

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If you have a problem with that, tell me what it is. Spare me your clever little hints.
Fred

No, Mason, I don't have a problem with that at all! I was agreeing with you. My dad's license is currently inactive, because he hasn't practiced law in a few years, and he saw no reason to pay the fee for something he wasn't using. You apparently don't even LIVE in Washington anymore, so why the hell pay a fee to practice law there?

Not everything is an attack.

Dawn wrote:

Beagle
Not to freak you out anymore - the field tech would not have access to check that - it is in the switch/central office. Tech's are 95% outsourced - they wear verizon logo's but are paid from a vendor. If you want to talk to a Verizon network admin - it can be arranged.

Read the post again. The field tech, who is NOT an outsourced employee, used the phone they carry on their tool belts to call the switching office, or whatever place could give him the information about where the calls were going. The field tech repeated the information he received back to the person from whom he received it. I was standing next to him so I heard him say it. This field tech worked for Verizon since it was previously known as New England Telephone and Telegraph. And he knew another true Verizon tech whom I also knew.

So, my calls went to the person I intended to call, and they went to a psyc person near town. In addition to that, they "rang" inside the first floor office at which point they were immediately tranferred to another location in southerneastern Vermont.

The Verizon field tech then asked the office manager if she knew there were three lines that came into the first floor office. She said no, there were only two that she was aware of, and she had worked there for about 4 years at that point.

I had my cordless phone in hand at the time and was within range of my upstairs base unit. I called the office phone in front of me (first floor) and bing, it rang at the office in Vermont. The office manager in MA was startled and said she had never heard that simultaneous kind of ringing before. So to make sure it would happen again, I called another location in town, and sure enough, the phone call was immediately transferred to the office in Vermont.

The transferring of the call to Vermont was probably related to a kind of forwarding feature that a lot of small businesses use when the only employee at a branch location steps out of the office for a while. That way a customer's phone call would not be lost. But other calls came in to the MA office at the time and they were not forwarded to Vermont.

Naturally, few can be expected to think all this means anything because we all know that no one ever bugs a phone line or whatever they call it.

And, of course, it's much more important to discredit it and its poster than to wonder if maybe it is ture and somehow connected. Indulging the possibility of its being true and potentially helpful would be too embarrassing. Obviously, finding Maura is not worth any kind of embarrassment.

I totally forgot about all the other crazy people we have here in WA - Kevin Coe - serial rapist - already did 25 years and keeping him in and Robert Yates - he was married with 5 kids and buried them in the flower garden right outside the window.
Just a reminder - serial killers rapists can be anywhere - the two above are from Spokane South Hill area - not the other side of the tracks. This is a nice area.