Where is MAURA MURRAY

John wrote:

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You seem to be participating in that which you object to. Assuming a neutral posture in name calling does not change the content.

Let me be honest and clear, John. There are deceptions about identities that are immensely distracting here, and confusing...whether intended or not.
Although I once might have been naive, I no longer believe people are who they say they are on forums. Period.
With the presence of multi-personalities, and the little dance between "lawyers" on Thursday nite, I walked away with confirmation of a common stereotype...lawyers are liars.
That is, if one is a lawyer at all.
Hmmm.

So I really don't understand your reply to me...but I thought I'd answer, anyway.

John wrote:

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F___ off already

You don't impress, John.
And this is inexcusable, not funny.
Whomever "John" is.

I finally was able to get on the "MM 21" site. Is there any source for whether the impact on the window was inward or outward. Hard to imagine it having been outward, given its position.

John wrote:

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Thanks Advocator. Maura lived on campus correct, so it could have come from a guest in her room?

Who would have had a key to her room? Assuming Maura was given only one key, a key that could not be copied, and that she did not have a roommate, either Maura would have had to loan her only key to someone, whom she was expected to meet soon enough to get her key back, or the person had a key from another source, such as a master key.

It was asked some time ago several times... who else might have had a key to her dorm room?

Snowy White wrote:

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You don't impress, John.
And this is inexcusable, not funny.
Whomever "John" is.

Snowy, I am not interested in getting involved in any personal battles, with you or anyone. I am trying to ignore the rampant pontification and insanity here. While this was a an imprudent remark on my part, it stemmed from a mistaken impression I had. My apologies to you for the offense.

Snowy White wrote:

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Although I once might have been naive, I no longer believe people are who they say they are on forums. Period.

So why is the post about the phone call on the old MMM site reliable.

Also, you might have missed my point about its having been posted in the first place.

Regardless of whether or not the poster was the supervisor, or whether or not the content of the post was true, I would think most people, especially someone in a security job, would strongly hesitate to post something like that because the post brings suspicion on the poster. According to the story, the supervisor is the only person whose identity as a driver of the Saturn that Maura would have been trapped into protecting. Even if Maura was threatened by someone else, it's not the same as being exposed as the driver of the Saturn that hit Vasi by the most reliable source of Maura's whereabouts.

Kudos if the real supervisor was willing to put her reputation on the line like that, but it takes such a chance of backfiring onto the very person who posted it (the supervisor) that the real source of the post should be viewed with some skepticism. Especially, since so much of what was previously believed to be true is now thought to be unverified or simply not true.

Even if Maura did receive a call Thursday night, has LE directly confirmed that it was the call that upset her? I would imagine that the security desk would receive at least several calls each night.

John wrote:

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Following on these concepts, it seems that tihngs come back again to the rag in the tail pipe (at least for me). If it was hanging out in a manner consistent with the idea that it was there to signal towing, then the suggestion of towing is unmistakeable, given that fact and the fact (which I have seen posted here) that hte car was an automatic and found in neutral. Given that nobody seems to have reported a tow truck being seen anywhere, even those neighbors who looked outside upon hearing the thump, there is some further possible suggestion of staging. Seems doubtful (based on what I do know about Maura, which admittedly is incomplete) that she would so stage a scene like that. Once again, in thinking through what is known or reasonably speculated, I keep coming back to the possibility that she was in the car with another person.

The bolo sent out was for a woman with long black hair. Maura's hair is a lighter shade of brown and was cut in a bob. I've worn bobs over the years and the hairstyle is considered short. My hair is a darker shade of brown and people always say it is black. It was nightime so maybe Maura's looked black or maybe not.

The possibility that (2) persons may have been involved in Maura's disappearance has been brought up in discussion. The possibility it could have been a man and a woman has been brought up also.

The SBD did state the the woman was wearing her hair down and it didn't look like the girl in the photo (Maura). I used to wear my hair tied back much like Maura over the years. Just (2) nights ago I wore my hair down at work and a man who was commissioned out of retirement and hadn't seen me in about a year piped up and stated how different I looked with my hair down.

The description of long hair in the BOLO doesn't quite add up and I can't explain it away so easily.

The BOLO was for a women 5'7' with long black hair.

Snowy White wrote:

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Let me be honest and clear, John. There are deceptions about identities that are immensely distracting here, and confusing...whether intended or not.
Although I once might have been naive, I no longer believe people are who they say they are on forums. Period.
With the presence of multi-personalities, and the little dance between "lawyers" on Thursday nite, I walked away with confirmation of a common stereotype...lawyers are liars.
That is, if one is a lawyer at all.
Hmmm.
So I really don't understand your reply to me...but I thought I'd answer, anyway.

Again, I am really not interested in elongating my participatoin in the insane part of this forum. Likewise, I don't really care who people are and switching handles and all that. I am just going to ignore non-substantive posts and ignore handles that frequently produce them. You seem interested in the "culture" of this post. My unfortunate getting sucked into yesterday, notwithstanding, I am not. So, if you have additional issues with me or the nature of my posts, go for it, but I am done reading or participating in the personal evaluations and personal attack threads of posts, including your recent ones about me.

elsewherebriefly wrote:

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The bolo sent out was for a woman with long black hair. Maura's hair is a lighter shade of brown and was cut in a bob. I've worn bobs over the years and the hairstyle is considered short. My hair is a darker shade of brown and people always say it is black. It was nightime so maybe Maura's looked black or maybe not.
The possibility that (2) persons may have been involved in Maura's disappearance has been brought up in discussion. The possibility it could have been a man and a woman has been brought up also.
The SBD did state the the woman was wearing her hair down and it didn't look like the girl in the photo (Maura). I used to wear my hair tied back much like Maura over the years. Just (2) nights ago I wore my hair down at work and a man who was commissioned out of retirement and hadn't seen me in about a year piped up and stated how different I looked with my hair down.
The description of long hair in the BOLO doesn't quite add up and I can't explain it away so easily.
The BOLO was for a women 5'7' with long black hair.

Thanks for the info elsewhere. I don't think I knew you were a woman before. Just one question ... BOLO = be on the lookout for? I.e., like a police thing telling patrols to be looking for such a person?

I take your point re: how different a woman wearing her hair down can look if she customarily wears it up. In fact, there is one pic of Maura (looks like a yearbook pic) with her hair down and she looks very different. Also, as you said, at night, brown, black, green, hard to tell.

Is the BOLO on the 21 site? That site is great by the way. I think you were the person who pointed me to it, so thanks.

John wrote:

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Again, I am really not interested in elongating my participatoin in the insane part of this forum. Likewise, I don't really care who people are and switching handles and all that. I am just going to ignore non-substantive posts and ignore handles that frequently produce them. You seem interested in the "culture" of this post. My unfortunate getting sucked into yesterday, notwithstanding, I am not. So, if you have additional issues with me or the nature of my posts, go for it, but I am done reading or participating in the personal evaluations and personal attack threads of posts, including your recent ones about me.

good. game over.'bout time.

Advocator wrote:

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The story about the disturbing phone call was reported in the newspapers and was checked out by UMass PD who said the call came from a campus phone. They were unable to determine "who" made the call, said that whoever it was had "moved on".
There is some controversy though about the call. Various reports have said it was a call from Maura's sister Kathleen -- well, Kathleen DID call Maura that evening, but earlier ... around 10 PM if I remember right, and their discussion was about a fuss Kathleen was having with her boyfriend -- nothing Kathleen thought would have upset Maura. The supposed phone call that upset Maura, came around 1 AM or between 1 AM and 1:30 AM.
I'm not sure if we know for certain that second call is a fact, but the UMass PD did say the call came from on campus, so it sounds as though there was a second call.

I always assumed, without thinking about it, that Maura had no family at UMass. Maybe I'm wrong, but a phone call from a family member that originated on the UMass campus would seem improbable - or it would certainly be news.

The belief that the security desk could receive only calls from on-campus phones is one that should be confirmed. I don't know about UMass, but many landline phones in dorm rooms are the same as if they were in an apartment complex or private home. The student gets the bill directly from the phone company. And the service is about the same, including a call forwarding feature. So if call forwarding was enabled on a landline phone in Maura's dorm room, why would the originating phone have to have been on campus?

John wrote:

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Following on these concepts, it seems that tihngs come back again to the rag in the tail pipe (at least for me). If it was hanging out in a manner consistent with the idea that it was there to signal towing, then the suggestion of towing is unmistakeable, given that fact and the fact (which I have seen posted here) that hte car was an automatic and found in neutral. Given that nobody seems to have reported a tow truck being seen anywhere, even those neighbors who looked outside upon hearing the thump, there is some further possible suggestion of staging. Seems doubtful (based on what I do know about Maura, which admittedly is incomplete) that she would so stage a scene like that. Once again, in thinking through what is known or reasonably speculated, I keep coming back to the possibility that she was in the car with another person.

Is it possible that a rag was stuffed into her tailpipe while Maura was at Sojourns in Westminster, Vermont? Then when she came out of the clinic, she couldn't start her car and it was towed from there to the curve in Haverhill? One of the reasons I mention this is that Sojourns is just about 100 miles from the place the car was abandoned in Haverhill.

The arguments against this include the fact that a rag in a tailpipe would probably get blown out by the exhaust pressure and have no effect. An experienced tow truck driver also said that the rag would probably blow out if it were not held in place.

At any rate, the rag in the tailpipe story seems like almost everything else in this case - not firmly established. Might be true, might not be.

Snowy White wrote:

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good. game over.'bout time.

It was over last night.

John wrote:

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Thanks for the info elsewhere. I don't think I knew you were a woman before. Just one question ... BOLO = be on the lookout for? I.e., like a police thing telling patrols to be looking for such a person?

Yes, BE ON THE LOOK OUT

I believe at that point in time LE was regarding Maura's as a classic DUI leaving the scene.

The Grafton County Dispatch Log is also available on Maura's website along with other pertinent information.

By the way John,

When I heard the news about Maura's disappearance the first words out of my mouth were, "It could have been me" and to this day I still believe this. I'm a native of New Hampshire and even though I am a thousand miles away it happened on my watch.

I am very disappointed with the way her investigation was initially handled. I have yet to understand why NHSP refused the aid of the FBI. Maura traveled through (3) states.

It's water under the bridge and I know Maura's investigations is in good hands with the aid of the volunteer PI's with the MOlly Bish Foundation as well as the SAR Teams.

Public documents indicate that the owner of the school bus company had his office on Fearing St, right across from SW. Could someone, authorized or not, have gained access to the bus route and used it to his advantage? An employee? A computer hacker?

It would seem that if the only vehicle known to have stopped at the scene of the crash was operated by an employee of someone with his office right across from SW that there might be some kind of connection, even an indirect one.

elsewherebriefly wrote:

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Yes, BE ON THE LOOK OUT
I believe at that point in time LE was regarding Maura's as a classic DUI leaving the scene.
The Grafton County Dispatch Log is also available on Maura's website along with other pertinent information.

Thanks for your post. I just downloaded the dispatch log. Glad I am finally into 21. I wonder, given your apparent sanity, what is your best theory as to what happened, if you have one?

I'm infinitely amazed that with so much attention focused on the bus driver for years now, that no one has mentioned or commented on the fact that the bus's owner (up the corporate ladder of subsidiaries a little) has an office directly across from SW.

If the driver has drawn so much attention and criticism all these years, why has the proximity of the bus company's office to SW (right across the street) seen no attention by those so concerned about the driver's statements and actions?

Is it because there may be an important Amherst connection, after all?

elsewherebriefly wrote:

By the way John,
When I heard the news about Maura's disappearance the first words out of my mouth were, "It could have been me" and to this day I still believe this. I'm a native of New Hampshire and even though I am a thousand miles away it happened on my watch.
I am very disappointed with the way her investigation was initially handled. I have yet to understand why NHSP refused the aid of the FBI. Maura traveled through (3) states.
It's water under the bridge and I know Maura's investigations is in good hands with the aid of the volunteer PI's with the MOlly Bish Foundation as well as the SAR Teams.

Thanks for sharing that Elsewhere. The randomness of this, for me, is sad. While I think there are a lot of intrquing questions about what happened in the days leading up, why she was there, what the strange clues mean, it may well be that - all that intrique aside - ultimately at some point, she found herself in the wrong place at the wrong time and foul play occured.

Who are SAR teams? I have taken it that Columbo and Weeper are part of the PI group? Is this credible?

Was Maura Murray diabetic?