Where is MAURA MURRAY

I would also point out that the events so vehemently discussed over the last two (at the expense of covering any MM related topics in any depth) have taken up just as much or more space and attention as the events themselves. So, in terms of getting to the point of this forum, stupid childish arguments are as poisonous as stupid childish judgmental finger wagging. Another words, if you are real upset about the forum not getting to the point, why don't you yourself get to the point?

Along those lines, I have question that I hope someone has an answer to ... has a forensic type ever tried to simulate the actual accident to see if she could recreate it in a way that physically explains the damage to the car, the damage to the tree, the cracked windshield and the final resting point of the car? I have looked on 21 for that and noy yet found it. Would much appreciate someone pointing the way on this.

elsewherebriefly wrote:

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Paris,
I was not the one questioning whether your prior posts were authentic. Firecat stated that she'd give you a call and I figured I'd leave it up to her.
I apologize if you felt offended.
I thought about telling everyone that you called me yesterday morning but I figured with the tone of the forum in the late people would accuse me of making it up and God knows what else.
This is certainly not directed at you but I am tired of the crap and craziness and I've been the fence about washing my hands of this forum altogether for some time now.
I am glad you came on and confirmed for yourself.
Please know your mother is in my prayers and she is lucky to have such a loving daughter as yourself.

i don't believe either of you stands accused at all...just respected as "old-timers" (in a good way) here.

it's about culling out truth, which, in my opinion, begins with honesty in self-representation. neither of you has been known to falsely represent yourselves.

John wrote:

I think I agree with both Elsewhere and Snowy in their recent posts, although they appear to disagree. Focusing on who, as Elsewhere states, does indeed distract from the point because the who behind each post is about as much insoluable mystery as what happened to Maura. I could be what I say I am, or something else. Same as everyone. With certain excetions, there is no reasonable way for anyone to know, so take what you like of my posts and leave the rest. Same for everybody else.
But I also agree with Snowy that (and I paraphrase here, forgive me Snowy if I distort) where a poster is non-credible and aggressive, they impair the exchange of valid information and ideas here. So it does matter who says what about who they are, particularly if they use such statements to elevate the perceived value of their comments.
In a way, I don't see a disagreement between Elsewhere and Snowy. This because I think they both seek to promote a focus on good information. Elsewhere seems to espouse the idea of just ignoring the incredible, annoying posts and culling for the valuable ones. Snowy seems to espouse the idea of calling out the BS (again Snowy, forgive me if I have misinterpreted).
I myself have engaged both concepts. It is really hard to not want to tell someone to shut up when they are (intentionally or not) making a mockery of this forum by imposing their psychological needs on it by fictionalizing themselves and propagating a lot of BS. On the other hand, the shortest route to good information exchange is just to ignore these aberrant voices. I do my best to do the latter, but sometimes ...

you haven't distorted my position, John, and have broadened my perspective...though being stubborn, i don't slide as easily to the other side.

John wrote:

Along those lines, I have question that I hope someone has an answer to ... has a forensic type ever tried to simulate the actual accident to see if she could recreate it in a way that physically explains the damage to the car, the damage to the tree, the cracked windshield and the final resting point of the car? I have looked on 21 for that and noy yet found it. Would much appreciate someone pointing the way on this.

i believe Bill/WTF, has drawn some conclusions from his engineering perspective and recreation of damage to the saturn.

John wrote:

Along those lines, I have question that I hope someone has an answer to ... has a forensic type ever tried to simulate the actual accident to see if she could recreate it in a way that physically explains the damage to the car, the damage to the tree, the cracked windshield and the final resting point of the car? I have looked on 21 for that and noy yet found it. Would much appreciate someone pointing the way on this.

An accident re-constructionist commissioned by the volunteer private investigators reviewed photos of Maura's vehicle that were taken at the NHSP impound lot and also visited the actual crash site if I am not mistaken.

His findings determined that the damage to the front end of Maura's Saturn was caused low speed impact by a metal object from above.

The interior spider crack in the interior of the windshield was caused by something metal from above.

Weeper recently wrote in that he has spoken with a number of emergency service workers who stated that wrist injuries are common in these type of low speed accidents. Maura wore a cumbersome Gucci watch that had once belonged to her dad. It is possible that Maura's watch might have caused the interior crack in the windshield.

Please also note that the spider crack was considered to be much smaller at the time of impact. The crack in the photo has possibly grown larger with the Saturn being out in the elements.

As always, someone please correct me if I happen to be in error.

Hope this was of help.

and yes, I agree with your prior posts as well as Snowy White's and Wowzer's.

Did John Regan have a residence in West Chesterfield NH and happen to know a certain Eugene Van Bowman who has a connection to Tina and Bethany Sinclair?

Snowy White wrote:

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i don't believe either of you stands accused at all...just respected as "old-timers" (in a good way) here.
it's about culling out truth, which, in my opinion, begins with honesty in self-representation. neither of you has been known to falsely represent yourselves.

Thanks for that Snowy.

I think you are a good egg too.

Please give both of your pooches a pat for me(wink)

IMHO, I believe WTF is mistaken in his assumptions of the damage to the Saturn.

And IF I am correct Bowman worked at the powerplant on the CT river.

Snowy White wrote:

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you haven't distorted my position, John, and have broadened my perspective...though being stubborn, i don't slide as easily to the other side.

Hey, thanks. Glad I could contribute

Snowy White wrote:

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i believe Bill/WTF, has drawn some conclusions from his engineering perspective and recreation of damage to the saturn.

I guess that is on 21 and so far I have simply overlooked it?

elsewherebriefly wrote:

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An accident re-constructionist commissioned by the volunteer private investigators reviewed photos of Maura's vehicle that were taken at the NHSP impound lot and also visited the actual crash site if I am not mistaken.
His findings determined that the damage to the front end of Maura's Saturn was caused low speed impact by a metal object from above.
The interior spider crack in the interior of the windshield was caused by something metal from above.
Weeper recently wrote in that he has spoken with a number of emergency service workers who stated that wrist injuries are common in these type of low speed accidents. Maura wore a cumbersome Gucci watch that had once belonged to her dad. It is possible that Maura's watch might have caused the interior crack in the windshield.
Please also note that the spider crack was considered to be much smaller at the time of impact. The crack in the photo has possibly grown larger with the Saturn being out in the elements.
As always, someone please correct me if I happen to be in error.
Hope this was of help.
and yes, I agree with your prior posts as well as Snowy White's and Wowzer's.

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Hmmm, good stuff. I have more learning and thinking to do, but I wonder if some of this points to the two accident theory? I wonder if there is a garage somewhere along 112? It has been pointed out to me that a lot of my questions are answered on 21, so I need to wade through there. Not trying to ask meaningless questions.

Pink Panther wrote:

IMHO, I believe WTF is mistaken in his assumptions of the damage to the Saturn.

Why do you feel that way Pink Panther?

The damage to the saturn tells the story. Look closely at the pix.

Police...This is from the Haverhill NH website.

The Haverhill Police Department is led by a full time Chief, Jeff Williams and staffed by a sergeant and five full time police officers. In addition a number of part time officers are used to fill in schedule requirements. There is a high level of cooperation in law enforcement with the Grafton County Sheriff's Department which is based in North Haverhill.

The Police Department provides 24 hour daily police coverage for all residents and businesses in the Town of Haverhill and its various villages and districts: Woodsville, Haverhill Corner, Pike, East Haverhill, North Haverhill, Center Haverhill and Mountain Lakes.

In addition to its police coverage the Department maintains an active community policing policy with programs directed toward area youth. These programs include, elementary school age bicycle safety program, participation in the Youth Diversion program, and participation in student/police sporting events. The Chief and his officers are also available to speak to senior citizens and area fraternal organizations. The Department also sponsors a Home Patrol which provides security for Town residences and businesses utilizing a dedicated group of volunteers.

With the cooperation of local businesses, the Department participates in an annual Safe Driver Award Program. Commencing one week before Thanksgiving and continuing through New Year's police officers stop and congratulate drivers who exhibit defensive driving skills and courtesy to other drivers. A gift certificate for a turkey is awarded to the driver.

The citizens of this community have been very supportive of the Department and this is reflected in the high caliber of officers who comprise the Haverhill Police Department.
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John wrote:

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I guess that is on 21 and so far I have simply overlooked it?

i'd say here, on Topix, John...don't know what 21 is. yikes.
i hope he'd be willing to step back in and help.

Pink Panther wrote:

Police...This is from the Haverhill NH website.
The Haverhill Police Department is led by a full time Chief, Jeff Williams and staffed by a sergeant and five full time police officers. In addition a number of part time officers are used to fill in schedule requirements. There is a high level of cooperation in law enforcement with the Grafton County Sheriff's Department which is based in North Haverhill.
The Police Department provides 24 hour daily police coverage for all residents and businesses in the Town of Haverhill and its various villages and districts: Woodsville, Haverhill Corner, Pike, East Haverhill, North Haverhill, Center Haverhill and Mountain Lakes.
In addition to its police coverage the Department maintains an active community policing policy with programs directed toward area youth. These programs include, elementary school age bicycle safety program, participation in the Youth Diversion program, and participation in student/police sporting events. The Chief and his officers are also available to speak to senior citizens and area fraternal organizations. The Department also sponsors a Home Patrol which provides security for Town residences and businesses utilizing a dedicated group of volunteers.
With the cooperation of local businesses, the Department participates in an annual Safe Driver Award Program. Commencing one week before Thanksgiving and continuing through New Year's police officers stop and congratulate drivers who exhibit defensive driving skills and courtesy to other drivers. A gift certificate for a turkey is awarded to the driver.
The citizens of this community have been very supportive of the Department and this is reflected in the high caliber of officers who comprise the Haverhill Police Department.
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"Oh....Just one more thing"

Holy crap!! Pink Panther are you Columbo??!!

Pink Panther wrote:

The damage to the saturn tells the story. Look closely at the pix.

I have. If you have time to explain, would much appreciate.

Pink Panther wrote:

Police...This is from the Haverhill NH website.
The Haverhill Police Department is led by a full time Chief, Jeff Williams and staffed by a sergeant and five full time police officers. In addition a number of part time officers are used to fill in schedule requirements. There is a high level of cooperation in law enforcement with the Grafton County Sheriff's Department which is based in North Haverhill.
The Police Department provides 24 hour daily police coverage for all residents and businesses in the Town of Haverhill and its various villages and districts: Woodsville, Haverhill Corner, Pike, East Haverhill, North Haverhill, Center Haverhill and Mountain Lakes.
In addition to its police coverage the Department maintains an active community policing policy with programs directed toward area youth. These programs include, elementary school age bicycle safety program, participation in the Youth Diversion program, and participation in student/police sporting events. The Chief and his officers are also available to speak to senior citizens and area fraternal organizations. The Department also sponsors a Home Patrol which provides security for Town residences and businesses utilizing a dedicated group of volunteers.
With the cooperation of local businesses, the Department participates in an annual Safe Driver Award Program. Commencing one week before Thanksgiving and continuing through New Year's police officers stop and congratulate drivers who exhibit defensive driving skills and courtesy to other drivers. A gift certificate for a turkey is awarded to the driver.
The citizens of this community have been very supportive of the Department and this is reflected in the high caliber of officers who comprise the Haverhill Police Department.
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"Oh....Just one more thing"

Not trying to sound prickly here, but what is the relveance of this? Obviously it has stoked some interest on your part. Why?