Where is MAURA MURRAY

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Eurobserver wrote:

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FireCat,
This is the first time that I have read about people actually being followed on Rte 112.
Would you possibly care to elaborate somewhat on this subject?
I´m just wondering how on earth it would be practically possible for that kind of "surveillance" to be carried out on a stretch of public road.
Any ideas at all as for who the "culprits" could be?

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FireCat wrote:

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Well, this is the point where it would be helpful to hear from those people who actually HAVE been followed.....I was not one of them. It was mentioned on MM boards more than once.

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Benjamin Franklyne wrote:

"the entire basis of your thought process revolves around the fact that you think other people are stupid and they are somehow unable to read you and your true motivations."
Prime example of paranoid schizophrenia.
That is the straight stuff oh funkmaster.
http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/...

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Benjamin Franklyne wrote:

"the entire basis of your thought process revolves around the fact that you think other people are stupid and they are somehow unable to read you and your true motivations."
Prime example of paranoid schizophrenia.
That is the straight stuff oh funkmaster.
http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/...

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Benjamin Franklyne wrote:

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You are correct in that misdirection can happen in any direction. However - the car ended up in New Hampshire.

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John wrote:

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Thanks elsewhere. Appreciate the guidance on using the other page.
As for the rag in the tailpipe. No real possibility of that being used to kill oneself, as - I have learned recently -(1) it will simply cause a running car to back fire and stall, and (2) it will cause a non-started car to be unstartable. The only other reason to put a rag in a tail pipe is to check for moisture as an indication of head gasket problems.
If my information on this is correct, then, most likely, someone didn't want someone starting the car. I believe it is an established fact (although God help me if there is dispute about this) that the rag was from the Saturn's roadside emergency kit. So, the rag had to have been put in the tail pipe at the scene (or the car could not have been driven there) by someone who most likely was inside the car. And it would appear that whomever put it there did not want the car to be started. If Maura was alone, doubt she would have put it there to -say - prevent a theif from hotwiring.
In the end, the rag points me to someone being with Maura in the Saturn. Shortly after the accident they part company. One or the other is afraid that the other will try to start the car and leave while he/she is absent.
Speculation, of course, but I maintain that if we could explain the rag, we could explain a lot of other things.

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Dawn wrote:

Johnny
Please sign up on the other forum so private messages can be sent to you and you identity can be confirmed.
If this is a joke - this is a very sick joke and unfair to those that care about the Murrays or Maura.
It is not a funny joke.
If you are who you say you are - you can join the other forum where your IP can validate who you are.
Again
I hope this is not a joke.......... because it is not funny if it is a joke

WTF-the-original wrote:

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Again, let’s phrase this correctly. That will better help frame the debate. Let’s hear from people who believe that they have been followed.
It would be useful for them to tell what lead them to believe that they were being followed. The point being that it would be impossible for us to actually know if they had been followed or had a case of the jitters or it was just raving paranoia. Unless of course someone did actually come up to them and say “You are not paranoid, I am actually following you”. Then we have to decide if it’s believable.
Just scattered thoughts of mine. By the way, no anger was used in any of these thoughts. Just a hard nosed inquisitive process.
Bill

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I was going back through articles - Thanks Sanderson111 - he sent 58 pages of documents that are in a pdf
I noticed that there is a article in the hanson express - that fred talks about an article in the JO that he calls white wash.......... is this connected to our whitewash ?

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Johnny Bravado wrote:

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I thought I would mention to you what Fred Murray was quoted as saying in one article about the rag in the tail pipe.
Fred suggested that Maura may have put the rag in the tailpipe because the tailpipe was on the verge of or may have been actively pouring out heavy smoke and therefore attracting attention. He said Maura may have wanted not to attract attention because she may have been drunk and wanted to avoid talking to police.
My question is, if the tail pipe was smoking, wouldn't the Westman's have seen that? Perhaps Maura's experience with the clunker lead her to believe that the car may eventually start pouring out smoke from the tailpipe, so stopping it now would be best.
I'm a guy with several years experience with cars and until you posted it, I had no idea what or why a rag clogging up a tail pipe would do. I doubt Maura did to, unless she had an extensive knowledge of cars, or perhaps just happened to know that one fact. She could have simply done it because she was drinking at the time and wanted to conceal any smoke.

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propaganda firetruck wrote:

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For someone who time and time again uses abusive language in an attempt to discredit other posters by calling them laughable idiots and the like you'd think your own theories and scenarios would be more thought out. You claim that you know a lot about cars, and a lot of other things, but you're really just a sad and pathetic loser who gets off on calling people names and insulting them on the internet. You are certainly more psychologically disturbed than most posters on this site. I really don't give a fuck about you, or what you have to say, but I would certainly like to remind people here of the piece of shit that you are. You are not going to interview the SBD, that is stupidiest thing I've ever heard. And what would you mean by interviewing anyway? Gonna chat him up? I'm sure he would love to hear from you since your objective is clearly to blame this on an abductor. You are the last person he would want to talk to. Are you kidding? You must really get off on attacking people and making up the most ridiculous shit. You've attempted to corner me into a poster that supports only the runaway theory, and that's just absurd. You would think that someone who lives in an area like Tampa, FL, where the sun shines almost all year and the weather is mostly beautiful would have better things to do than insult people on a public forum. I am not sure where you get the audacity to write this shit, but you make yourself look more and more like an idiot with each laughable post. You should probably give it up and go into hiding where the rest of society can't find you because it is obviously clear that you have no idea how to interact with others. It would take a person of genuine mental retardation to think that Maura drove with a rag in her tailpipe you fat crybaby. The rag would have blown out the back of the pipe and even if it would have stayed in the pipe it would have been covered with soot (which it wasn't) you imbecile. I don't even have the words for how indescribably contradictory, hypocritical, and stupid you are. I can't even imagine what the people who know you personally think of you. I bet you haven't been laid in years.