Where is MAURA MURRAY

Advocator wrote:

Re tracing IP addresses via the forum I set up. To the best of my knowledge, no one's IP address shows up on a Private Message (PM). If members on the forum EMAIL ONE ANOTHER, then I think IP addresses can be gained from email headers, but I think that has always been the case when it comes to email headers.
I absolutely did not create the site for the purpose of tracing IP addresses. I don't give out IP addresses. And I don't support tracing IP addresses in attempts to undermine anyone's right to privacy.

As a voice of support for you, Advocator, just wanted to share that when I read this post, I immediately thought, "Well, duh."

I know there's been another swell of paranoia and fear and mistrust around here lately......people are on edge.....it's very peculiar.....

Snowy White wrote:

Topix has not traditionally been responsive to flagging, and it would seem to take a court order to raise a complaint to the level of a reprimand, so I would surprised if Mason has been escorted out of the door.
It is puzzling to recall his disdain for Fred Murray...and, at the same time, his bold claim to be someone he wasn't.
With the volume of his posting, I wouldn't be surprised if he has already, or will soon re-emerge as another identity from another location.

They have, however, removed one or two truly offensive posts (as well as posts that are contrary to their rules of listing web addresses and whatnot....) on this site alone. I say "truly offensive" not just because they were offensive to me, but because several people reported it as abusive.

So.....Maura......

Advocator wrote:

Re tracing IP addresses via the forum I set up. To the best of my knowledge, no one's IP address shows up on a Private Message (PM). If members on the forum EMAIL ONE ANOTHER, then I think IP addresses can be gained from email headers, but I think that has always been the case when it comes to email headers.
I absolutely did not create the site for the purpose of tracing IP addresses. I don't give out IP addresses. And I don't support tracing IP addresses in attempts to undermine anyone's right to privacy.

Thank you for your response.

Wowzer - Fred posted his name and PM'd me he was going to sue me. I have every right to find out who he is............... I also think someone coming on this forum stating their name as a professional deserves follow up as well. Credibilty. I am actually trying to get some real facts here. I think the family could have gotten valuable information from her cell phone - it would have been a map to everywhere she went. That would sure answer alot of questions. I don't need to know that information - however - her family does.

gvmebrk
I never traced an IP. If you go back and read Ben F's post to me. He traced the IP. Only the moderator of the site could do so and NO I didn't ask advocater to do so. Mason emailed Ben and he traced it. Please read the posts.

Oh.. actually I did look up longitude and latitude of a public record and it did match long and lat that Ben posted. however - it came up fruitless

Wowzer

You know who put there name on this site. I CANT trace IP's. Good grief. You must have not followed Ben's emails to me. NO advocater did NOT trace - Ben did with permission - its in the post. All I did was try to find out why someone famous was interested in this case - someone with credibitly - remember I am from WA and Wenatchee is my home town. After the comments about Fred - which by the way - don't you think that is wrong to post on a public forum. I do. If I was him I would be taking some action. So there you have it.

Just think if someone posted that about your dad or your husband if you have children......... Think about it.

I don't think enough people put themselves in the family's shoes here. It is heartbreaking - people forget - this is a daughter, a sister a neice....... What would you do if someone did that to your family.

Yes. I did ask for Johnny Bravado - to contact me .. Which he would have had to agree to email me personally. I don't know how to trace IP's but Ben has provided the software. So.......... if he is comfortable with that.. So be it Wowzer.

Again. I am just trying to sort out facts. Facts that I think could have been resolved 5 years ago.

Her computer - her phone. plain and simple........

FireCat wrote:

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As a voice of support for you, Advocator, just wanted to share that when I read this post, I immediately thought, "Well, duh."
I know there's been another swell of paranoia and fear and mistrust around here lately......people are on edge.....it's very peculiar.....

With all due respect Firecat if someone is going to the trouble of getting people to e-mail them thru a PM system to gain their IP addresses so they can find their identity then IMO that is not being paranoid at all. There is every reason to be fearful. People have been murdered, raped and kidnapped when their online identity was found out.I hope you are not making this out to be "just a swell of paranoia and mistrust" as it is very real and everyone that has used the PM system on the other site should be very upset.

Dawn wrote:

Wowzer
You know who put there name on this site. I CANT trace IP's. Good grief. You must have not followed Ben's emails to me. NO advocater did NOT trace - Ben did with permission - its in the post. All I did was try to find out why someone famous was interested in this case - someone with credibitly - remember I am from WA and Wenatchee is my home town. After the comments about Fred - which by the way - don't you think that is wrong to post on a public forum. I do. If I was him I would be taking some action. So there you have it.

So are you saying that Ben had Advocater's permission to trace Fred's IP?

Wowzer
PM is not email.. I have never traced an IP I state again - I REPEAT - using beagles line - I have never traced one. Those that email me due to where I email from know I can't do that..........OK - not need to get paranoid. If someone emails me and gives PERMISSION for IP to be traced - then I would - with their PERMISSION. I think it is very concerning your comments back to Shack when she has done so many good things for Maura - searches etc.

Sometimes I wonder why you come on here. I really do because your tone never sounds like you really want to find her. You just think she ran away. You have the right to you opinion - however - I think some of the comments are very hurtful and you would not like the same done to you.

Also - Johnny said he was interviewing Butch - not me......... maybe that is the post to address.

Dawn wrote:

gvmebrk
I never traced an IP. If you go back and read Ben F's post to me. He traced the IP. Only the moderator of the site could do so and NO I didn't ask advocater to do so. Mason emailed Ben and he traced it. Please read the posts.

Dawn - constantly trying to undermine something, anything she can try to weazil in. With email comes an IP address, and with an IP address a general location.

So again, it had nothing to do with the forum. Also note that anyone that doubts who Mason is now and says so publicly - expresses doubt in the Washington State Bar - because the Washington State Bar has Mason's email address. As we all know, Yahoo email is password protected and can only be accessed by the owner - and if it were somehow breached - the owner would notice quickly.

Look to your left - the city it says you post in

Dawn wrote:

Yes. I did ask for Johnny Bravado - to contact me .. Which he would have had to agree to email me personally. I don't know how to trace IP's but Ben has provided the software. So.......... if he is comfortable with that.. So be it Wowzer.
Again. I am just trying to sort out facts. Facts that I think could have been resolved 5 years ago.
Her computer - her phone. plain and simple........

Am I to understand that you ask someone to e-mail you thru the PM'ing and then give the e-mail addy to Ben who traces the IP address? But you don't trace it yourself?

Wowzer wrote:

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With all due respect Firecat if someone is going to the trouble of getting people to e-mail them thru a PM system to gain their IP addresses so they can find their identity then IMO that is not being paranoid at all. There is every reason to be fearful. People have been murdered, raped and kidnapped when their online identity was found out.I hope you are not making this out to be "just a swell of paranoia and mistrust" as it is very real and everyone that has used the PM system on the other site should be very upset.

Mason offered to email me.

Wowzer wrote:

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So are you saying that Ben had Advocater's permission to trace Fred's IP?

Wowzer - you really ought to sue Topix or be hesitant to post here, because I don't know if you've noticed, but the location of your IP address appears right under your name whenever you make a post.

I did the same thing with an email from Fred.
That's as far as it should ever go.

Wowzer

For the last and final time.......... Go back and read Ben's post.......... HE TRACED THE IP with M's permission. I HAVE NOT - I REPEAT I HAVE NOT traced anyone's IP.
I wanted to know if Johnny was real since HE was going to interview BUTCH. I would never contact Butch EVER.

I REPEAT I HAVE NEVER TRACED AN IP and ADVOCATER HAS NOT - REPEAT NOT traced one either.

read the posts. If you think I am yelling I AM because it is in black and white.

I am surprised you can't see that I really do care. Maybe hard to believe for you. But I do.

After you read it I think an apology is in order for Ben, Advocater and I. It is all in the posts. Just read them

Dawn wrote:

Wowzer - Fred posted his name and PM'd me he was going to sue me. I have every right to find out who he is.......... I also think someone coming on this forum stating their name as a professional deserves follow up as well. Credibilty. I am actually trying to get some real facts here. I think the family could have gotten valuable information from her cell phone - it would have been a map to everywhere she went. That would sure answer alot of questions. I don't need to know that information - however - her family does.

Who in the hell do you think you are anyway??? You have absolutely NO right to find out who anyone is on a public forum. That is NOT up to you to follow up on anyone to see if they are credible or not. I believe it even takes a court order to get IP addresses from a forum administrater yet you and Ben think you have the right to trace people without one.
OMG I hope someone with authority is reading this and puts a stop to what you are doing.