Where is MAURA MURRAY

Judged:

If you have noticed - charachter assasination on the other site.. Ben and I haven't been the best of buds.. NO - I would NOT have Ben trace an IP. I don't even think that is possible.

I checked on Fred because he put his name out there and threatened to sue me. If someone threatened to sue you - I would bet you would do the same. I told you all I checked with legal to see if documents where real - another fact the family should know. I also asked them about the lawsuit threat - 1 + 1 = 2 .. I did it because it was suggested to me.

Dawn

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And for the record I do plan to contact the court house. If something is public record - I am part of the public. I doubt something would be "leaked" because the identity of that person would be found out quite quickly and action would follow. From my understanding the town is only 6000 people and if LE is doing their job would look to the site for tid bits of info - they already know. I am not finding out something new. Since I use my real name - they are probably expecting me.

Anne

Advocator wrote:

Re tracing IP addresses via the forum I set up. To the best of my knowledge, no one's IP address shows up on a Private Message (PM). If members on the forum EMAIL ONE ANOTHER, then I think IP addresses can be gained from email headers, but I think that has always been the case when it comes to email headers.
I absolutely did not create the site for the purpose of tracing IP addresses. I don't give out IP addresses. And I don't support tracing IP addresses in attempts to undermine anyone's right to privacy.

Thank you advocate

Dawn

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Okay.. You all want the truth.

After F threatened to sue me.. I took action. Want to know why - because after he mentioned Wenatchee - I was wrong and gave HIM my real info.. He knows my full name and where I work..

there you have it.
So you bet I checked up.

“ Good B chillaxin - TY Scott”

Joined: Jun 12, 2008

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FireCat wrote:

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They have, however, removed one or two truly offensive posts (as well as posts that are contrary to their rules of listing web addresses and whatnot....) on this site alone. I say "truly offensive" not just because they were offensive to me, but because several people reported it as abusive.

My IP was posted on Topix without my permission.

Very personal information was also posted about someone in the Franconia community.

There was no direct action taken by Topix relative to these specific issues by the Topix Gods in the past when notified, either by way of flagging and/or direct communication with Topix.

These are serious issues; I remain less satisfied than you with the outcome of flagging.

Eurobserver

Joined: Jun 16, 2008

Comments: 514

Strängnäs, Sweden

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Hello all,

How sad that this forum hardly ever touches Maura´s fate anymore. Almost anything but....

“ Good B chillaxin - TY Scott”

Joined: Jun 12, 2008

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I meant my IP address with Lat/Long.

elsewherebriefly

Joined: Jan 25, 2008

Comments: 184

Shallotte, NC

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Dawn wrote:

Okay.. You all want the truth.
After F threatened to sue me.. I took action. Want to know why - because after he mentioned Wenatchee - I was wrong and gave HIM my real info.. He knows my full name and where I work..
there you have it.
So you bet I checked up.

Dawn, I will hope you have learned a very serious and important lesson.

I have been following Maura's investigation for years and only Helena, Weeper's team, and about four other people know my name.

And it took years to build a solid level of trust with those other individuals!

I've just read through several pages of posts, is it possible that we could get BACK ON TOPIC.

Dawn

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Looks like CNN is getting some new leads on a missing Florida girl.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/02/17/missing.f...

looks like the national media attention is working

Advocator

Joined: Jun 7, 2008

Comments: 178

Arizona

ISP: Denver, CO

Judged:

And FWIW ... a person's IP address location does not even necessarily trace to where they live in terms of the town or even the state. Case in point: my location per Topix is in Denver, CO. That's where my IP address traces to. But I live in Arizona. Go figure. Have no idea why it does that, I assume it is because Denver is a "server hub" or something.

Further, IP addresses rarely rarely trace to an individual's home so that one could be certain of an individual's name and location. There is a small part of the IP address that identifies the exact location of the computer being used, but that information will only be released (by the appropriate server) pursuant to a court order, and if an individual is using a computer in a library, etc., one still would not have the certain name of an individual poster.

I'm no expert or even *very* knowledgeable about these things, but an Internet search about tracing/tracking IP addresses will provide the above information.

Dawn

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My job is doing research on new business development - so research is just part of my nature. I'm just a curious person and when I see something that is not quite right.. I do what I do best and check to see if my gut feeling is right. 9 times out of 10 it is - you get a feel for it when you do that day in and day out. I don't deal with people I deal with companies - same thing you get a feel for it. You can tell when something isn't right.

Dawn

Judged:

Agreed Firecat

I will ask again.......... Has any other locals gone to the court house to see what is 'public record'?

“ Good B chillaxin - TY Scott”

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Judged:

The personal attacks at posts #14789 and 90 are unwarranted. Consistently accusing others, or stating there is generalized paranoia is not helpful, and it is offensive.

This is a conversation about the potential for violations of privacy.

Given registration is required at the "new" forum, there is POTENTIAL for accessing or facilitating another to access identifying information, whereas with Topix, anonymity is more secure.

“ Good B chillaxin - TY Scott”

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Eurobserver wrote:

Hello all,
How sad that this forum hardly ever touches Maura´s fate anymore. Almost anything but....

If you look at the big picture, it does.

If there is a demand to remain on bended knee, gazing skyward, and accepting everything one reads, then no, it doesn't.

We're talking here about validating information about MAURA via SOURCES...whether those sources originate through individuals, groups of individuals, printed articles, and/or forum histories.

Perhaps the conversation has run its course...but it is, nonetheless, useful, IMHO.

John

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Snowy White wrote:

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My documented suspicion, long ago, was that Mason was not credible. I did not act on that suspicion, however, to confirm the veracity of the contact information Mason provided.
Note, too, that Sophie Bean and others have doubted the authenticity of poster's identities, and with good reason.
There is a line...a boundary...however, that should discourage someone from attempting to extract personal information or identify someone who wishes to remain anonymous.
Asking someone to post elsewhere, or communicate in a manner such as to facilitate identification, crosses that boundary.
Anonymity and privacy, IMO, should not be routinely challenged in this way, EVEN THOUGH I, TOO, HAVE DOUBTS ABOUT THE IDENTITIES AND PURPOSE OF SOME POSTERS.
If Advocator's forum is used by anyone as a vehicle to screen and verify a poster's identity, then this practice casts suspicion against the intended purpose of that forum.
I'd say, overall, that credibility/trust is achieved by authentic representation of self and consistency of content over time.
I regard these as important issues and have made my opinions clearly known in recent weeks.
I believe that the content/information conveyed by posts ARE framed and influenced by the reader's perceived reputation of the poster.
While there is no obligation to present an authentic self, an online reputation will either stand or fall according to the personal choices we make each and every time we post.

I hear you. I have unwitteningly conflated two points. I meant only to defend Dawn's actions re: Mason's declared fraud. As for the other issue, I was not meaning to comment on that. Although she merely asked right, she did not try to lead him into unknowingly divulging? Or am I mistaken? I might be thinking of yet a thrid incident. Confusing stuff! In any case, thanks for your post.

John

Snowy White wrote:

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While I agree with what you are stating,and don't mean to be argumentative, it has been my direct experience, and the experience of others, that a very abusive poster was not banned elsewhere from a Topix thread in the recent past.
It is quite possible they are becoming more responsive, as evidenced by the links I posted yesterday.

We can only hope for the best I suppose!

John

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Wowzer wrote:

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How sad that one must try to make others appear to be stupid to make themselves look smart. Shack you never fail to come out with some nasty or rude comment. I don't think I need to tell you what you can do with that Phhfffttttttt but I'll give you a hint.....an area where the sun doesn't shine would be a good place~~

I agree with this shack. You need to tone down.

John

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Dawn wrote:

Wowzer - Fred posted his name and PM'd me he was going to sue me. I have every right to find out who he is.......... I also think someone coming on this forum stating their name as a professional deserves follow up as well. Credibilty. I am actually trying to get some real facts here. I think the family could have gotten valuable information from her cell phone - it would have been a map to everywhere she went. That would sure answer alot of questions. I don't need to know that information - however - her family does.

Dawn, you are right on. See my posts on this very topic. The problem here was not you, but Mason claiming to be someone he was not and using his faux identity to pollute the information on the forum.

Dawn

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For the record - and I will leave this alone. Call your local bar association ask them if you can check on a lawyer - just like a doctor - its public record. They even have a dedicated head count to field these requests. You have the right to know - ask a lawyer - they all know this.

John