Where is MAURA MURRAY

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Beagle wrote:

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So do you know, positively, that the story about the phone call and the emotional upset is true? And how is it really, really known that the security desk could accept only on-campus phone calls? And what if Maura had call-forwarding on a landline phone in her dorm room? Might not a call to Maura's dorm room have been successfully forwarded to the security desk?

The only thing I can say positively about this case is that I don't know anything positively.

IMO Here are some things we DON'T know:

That the phone call with Kathleen at around 10PM did not contain an element to trigger the later upset Maura experienced.

The phone call at 12:40AM DID trigger Maura's upset.

That Maura was truly upset or just "acting" to get out of work as Kathleen was quoted early on

That Maura's kind supervisor actually heard Maura mumble, "my sister, my sister" through her tears.

That Maura and her supervisor discussed absolutely nothing about what upset her.

That Maura didn't do or say anything more than cry inconsolably to cause her supervisor to recommend seeking counseling.(In reality, the extent of the crying was probably enough.)

ROOMATE

That Maura told her supervisor she had a roommate. NO OFFENSE TO ANYONE! Remember, tho, people will be people and everyone wants to look their best and seem "helpful". We don't know if, after the fact, her supervisor had wished she'd done more for Maura and tossed out this comment to explain leaving Maura alone. That could explain the supervisor making a guess about Maura having a roommate. And that would make it seem more acceptable to have left her alone? MAYBE MAURA DID NOT LIE ABOUT HAVING A ROOMMATE? SBD tried to help also, yet seemed to be left with that nagging feeling of not having done enough, so in different accounts he embellished his story a bit.(He said he told her to put on her hazard lights, yet it was reported they were already on, etc.)

If Maura did not tell her friend Sara at the art gallery about crashing her dad's Toyota and if not, why. A reason not to tell would most likely be embarassment, particularly with the previous night's encouragement by her friends not to drive. Or, maybe they were on the "outs" with each other that day for some reason...

That not one person in Maura's life knew about her (possible) new boyfriend.

ORIGINAL ART?

Why it's always said that "Maura even took her art off the wall" of her dorm room. Why not say "her posters"? Did she have any original art? Unlikely as heck in a college dorm, unless a friend was an artist.... did the artist retrieve his art?

Just some pre-coffee thoughts...

quija wrote:

IMO Here are some things we DON'T know:
ORIGINAL ART?
Why it's always said that "Maura even took her art off the wall" of her dorm room. Why not say "her posters"? Did she have any original art? Unlikely as heck in a college dorm, unless a friend was an artist.... did the artist retrieve his art?

you're always thinking outside of the box, Quija...
yes, NO ONE keeps "art" in a dorm room. if Maura couldn't afford a mechanically sound vehicle, as typical of student life, she could hardly afford "art".
Beagle, too, brings the connectivity of the art gallery into focus.
hmmmm.

this year, it may be a good idea for fresh eyes and minds to challenge the status quo and seek to validate information once believed to be factual.

Beagle wrote:

Dawn -
Trying to think of someone other than Maura who could have driven the Saturn Thursday night, hit Vasi, and then threatened Maura into silence by telling Maura that she, Maura, would end up arrested by police if she, Maura, told them who the driver of the car was.
Who could this be? A friend or a family member? What do you think?

Beagle
Since I didn't know Maura nor her friends. I have no idea who could have driven the car.......... I wish I did though

Mason's post of 2/24 at 12:05AM re: "Bad Feeling"

If Maura drove the Saturn up to NH during the late afternoon and early evening on 2/9/2004, did she take her cell phone with her?

Since she had both chargers, why wouldn't she have taken it with her?

If she did, was it on or off? I'm guessing that she would have turned it off because she probably didn't want to receive a call from someone she knew and have to talk to them. Part of the reason she left, apparently, was to get away from people she knew.
***less likely, but if one wants to be pollyannish (my word), she might have been headed for R&R with her favorite possessions, beverages, and some money for quality/private time alone.
the upsetting phone call, however, and her ultimate disappearance likely negates that option***

Unless she was expecting a call from someone connected in some way to her trip and she did not want to miss that call. If she planned to meet someone along the way, or if she was caravanning with someone, she probably would have kept it on at least part of the time.
***definitely***

If the cell towers along the likely routes she would have taken did not detect her phone pinging, she didn't take it with her or, if she did, she kept it turned off. This would suggest she was not caravanning or planning to meet someone.
***agree - really important point***

Since her phone was not found in the Saturn, she must have taken it with her. If no tower subsequently detected her pinging phone, she must not have turned it on, which seems unlikely, or if she did turn it on, it never made it to a coverage zone. If it didn't, she probably didn't either.
***agree***
Unless she knew all about cell phones and threw the phone away to avoid being tracked.

I don't like the direction this is leading me toward.
***agree***

I highly doubt the campus could only accept on campus calls. Just for needs of security - need to call the police etc - can't get through to 911 need to call the local number or the cell phone of a security office. I can't see the college doing something like that. I do believe the on campus phones were toll restricted so they couldn't be chatting up their buddy in LA.

not office - officer.. sorry my spelling is horrid. I know. I have heard of comma but i choose not to use them while on topix.

quija wrote:

IMO Here are some things we DON'T know:
The phone call at 12:40AM DID trigger Maura's upset.
That Maura was truly upset or just "acting" to get out of work as Kathleen was quoted early on
That Maura's kind supervisor actually heard Maura mumble, "my sister, my sister" through her tears.
That Maura and her supervisor discussed absolutely nothing about what upset her.

We have no evidence, but a current former member purportedly quoting Helena, that this happened. But she is also contradicted by Peabody. Subsequent articles revealing the identity of the mystery caller focused on the fact it was her sister Kathleen.

Perhaps a second call may be implied by Umass policeman stating he knows the location of the mystery call, prior to knowing the identity of the caller, but that makes no sense.

quija wrote:

If Maura did not tell her friend Sara at the art gallery about crashing her dad's Toyota and if not, why.

I wonder what the source is that states she worked at an Art Gallery on Sunday.

Snowy,

After convincing myself that Maura likely is alive and happy somewhere, I'm getting a really bad feeling in the pit of my stomach because of the pinging evidence, or lack of it.

I haven't read anything that would reasonably support a belief that her cell phone was used or detected pinging after 7:45 pm on 2/9/2004.

The possible explanations are ... May I have the envelope, please?

1. The phone did not make the trip north, and if Maura did, she did not take it with her.

2. Maura did not make the trip north.

3. Maura did make the trip north and took the cell phone with her, but she had it turned off and did not recharge it during the drive, perhaps because she forgot to recharge it or the cigarette lighter did not work and she could not use the portable recharger.

4. Maura took the phone with her when she left the wrecked Saturn believing it was fully charged (or grabbed her backpack not realizing the uncharged phone was in it), but it wasn't recharged and she could not recharge it because she left both chargers in the car. She subsequently decided to start a new life and not return to recover the Saturn, which she believed was totalled, and she discarded the phone because she didn't believe it was fair for Sharon to be stuck with the bill and she did not want Sharon to know where she was.

5. Maura was murdered or committed suicide somewhere within the area where there is no cell phone coverage. For obvious reasons I hate to call it a dead zone, but if this is what happened, I believe it's vitally important to define the boundaries of the dead zone, since her remains and/or her backpack likely are located within those boundaries.

ATTENTION: Anne, Bill (WTF), L4M, Shack, White Wash, Wowser, Philip (Whiston), Weeper, Detective Columbo, and anyone else residing in or familiar with the area.

Can you folks please approximate for us what the Sprint cellular reception dead zone boundaries were in February, 2004?

BTW, does anyone know if Maura's phone was detected pinging during the late afternoon and early evening hours on 2/9/2004?

I feel like I'm going to hell in a bucket of blood.

Dawn,

The following questions assume Maura's phone is turned off.

The length of time that passed, rounded up to the next minute, while the call went to voicemail and the caller left a message would show up on the bill. wouldn't it?

Unless the caller had blocked the call so that caller ID wouldn't work, the caller's number would show up on the bill, wouldn't it?

If the caller didn't leave a message, there wouldn't be any record of the call on the handset or the bill, right?

Nevertheless, the phone company would be able to retrieve a record of the call, right?

Is it possible that Detective Landry telephoned Sprint and asked if Sprint had any records of calls to or from Maura's cell phone on 2/9/2004, and the Sprint representative checked and found a record of a call to Maura's phone during the late afternoon that day that was forwarded through the Londonderry Tower, but did not show-up on her bill because her phone was turned off, or out of area, and the caller did not leave a voicemail message?

Landry then prepares his Affidavit for Search Warrant seeking the Sprint records of that call.

A subpoena wouldn't work because no case or grand jury investigation was under way, so Landry applied for a search warrant.

Does this make sense, given what you know?

Thanks,

Fred

Mason wrote:

Snowy,
After convincing myself that Maura likely is alive and happy somewhere, I'm getting a really bad feeling in the pit of my stomach because of the pinging evidence, or lack of it.
I haven't read anything that would reasonably support a belief that her cell phone was used or detected pinging after 7:45 pm on 2/9/2004.
The possible explanations are ... May I have the envelope, please? <snipped for brevity>

Into Mason's Mix, just have to throw this: what about the call made to Billy's cellphone approximately mid-morning on Weds, Feb 11 as he was going through airport security to board a flight to get him to New Hampshire? This would be the call where no actual message was left, but whimpering and sniffling that he and his mother both were certain was Maura. That call was not placed by a cellphone (which would back Mason's thoughts), but it certainly suggests Maura may well have been alive roughly a day and a half after the Saturn was discovered.

Just my 2 cents on THAT is: if she was alive on Weds at mid-morning and made the call to Billy, I doubt she had plans to commit suicide.

I sent you an email with the info.

I have stated everything multiple times about the phone. It is all there on topix. Sorry but I feel like I have beat a dead horse.

At the phone company we always got the request in the form of a subpeona - not a search warrant. They were sent to the legal dept and then forwarded to the appropriate group to track, trace etc and provide a report back with the data collected.

Benjamin Franklyne wrote:

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I wonder what the source is that states she worked at an Art Gallery on Sunday.

Here's Topix Message # 1712 at page 85, posted by Just Me (Paris). I believe she is quoting an article in the Patriot Ledger by McGee.

"Murray kept even her biggest problems to herself. She didn't say a word to Alfieri about getting into an accident in her father's car the day before she left Amherst. The accident happened only an hour after they were hanging out in Alfieri's dorm.

Alfieri said Markopoulos, Murray and a few friends were drinking into the late-night hours of Feb. 8. Fred Murray was staying in a hotel on Route 9 that weekend. He was in town to help his daughter find a new car.

Father and daughter ate dinner at the Amherst Brewing Co., a popular watering hole, that night. Then Markopoulos showed up for a drink. After about an hour, they left, the girls dropped Fred Murray at his hotel, and headed to Alfieri's dorm.

Everyone's left wondering

At about 1 a.m., Alfieri said she was passed out from drinking. Markopoulos was still up with Murray and they were talking about going home at about 2:30 a.m. But Murray wanted to go to her father's hotel, according to Markopoulos.

??I told her just to go back to her room and meet him in the morning, but she wouldn't listen,'' she said.

About an hour later, Murray cracked up her father's Toyota Corolla on Route 9. Alfieri found out the next week from news reports about her friend's disappearance.

??I thought that was so weird. I talked to her that day and she didn't even say anything,'' said Alfieri."
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Fred

Ben,

There is no reference in the quote about Alfieri and Maura working in the gallery Sunday afternoon, obviously.

I do recall reading that somewhere, but it isn't in Maribeth Conway's article. Gave you what I could find. Gotta go now and won't be back for several hours. Thought this might help you find it.

Fred

propaganda firetruck wrote:

Hey Johnny,
I'm going to be in Sarasota next month. Want to get together for some drinks and brainstorm on this? Bring your girlfriend, I bet she will like me. I'm rich and gorgeous.

HAHAHA I love listening to nerds - this one in particular has spent his entire life wishing he could be one of the guys actually dates beautiful, sophisticated women, and when he hears about someone doing it, he naturally becomes envious and jealous. I don't just think - I am absolutely 100% certain that "propaganda firetruck" has never once had a good-looking, respectable girlfriend, and he never will. He knows it and I know it.

"propaganda firetruck" has proven beyond any doubt that he has absolutely no self-respect, no self-esteem, and no integrity. He knows very well that he's just copying and pasting my own remarks back to me, and he doesn't care the least bit about how utterly pathetic that is. It doesn't bother him at all; he's been pathetic his whole life. He can't even come up with anything even remotely original; his brain cannot think on such a level. He's been so affected by what I've said to him in the past, that he is now trying to use what I've said towards others to make himself feel better. This is indubitably one of the most pitifully repulsive men I've ever encountered, and I've lived and been everywhere. He knows I'm right too. His life must truly suck. Hey "propaganda firetruck", how does it feel to know that you jerk off to women that aren't even good enough to date me? You couldn't even look at the last five women I've dated, let alone get with them. Women are perceptive; they can see right through little nerds like you. They know how pathetically disgusting you are, just as I do.

You'll never be on my level; you'll just keep on wishing you were. You'll never be able to think on my level; you'll just keep copying and pasting my words to try to and appear intelligible. I wouldn't expect anything less from such a naturally pitiful sow.

If you're going to come to Sarasota, come to the club "Cheetah" on 301 - it's my club. My bouncers probably won't let you in, and even if they do, the women there will just use a little sucker like you and rob you clean.

Advocator wrote:

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Into Mason's Mix, just have to throw this: what about the call made to Billy's cellphone approximately mid-morning on Weds, Feb 11 as he was going through airport security to board a flight to get him to New Hampshire? This would be the call where no actual message was left, but whimpering and sniffling that he and his mother both were certain was Maura. That call was not placed by a cellphone (which would back Mason's thoughts), but it certainly suggests Maura may well have been alive roughly a day and a half after the Saturn was discovered.
Just my 2 cents on THAT is: if she was alive on Weds at mid-morning and made the call to Billy, I doubt she had plans to commit suicide.

brilliant.
abducted/captured/alive???
and
able to make an outgoing call from a landline or cell (an active zone)

Johnny Bravado wrote:

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HAHAHA I love listening to nerds - this one in particular has spent his entire life wishing he could be one of the guys actually dates beautiful, sophisticated women, and when he hears about someone doing it, he naturally becomes envious and jealous.

With all due respect ... why are you resurrecting a (now) OLD post and interrupting the current discussion with this? I'm sure no one here cares about this personal stuff. There is not one word in your post having to do with Maura Murray.

One thing you COULD fill us in on is: have you had any luck arranging to talk with the SBD??