Where is MAURA MURRAY

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Gloucester, MA

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"my only point is that a group of people who moved in synch and stand to represent ALL of the missing...and not necessarily missing men and children...but young women, can at least be considered to be, generically, motivated by something in common."
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didn't make my point.
Beagle suggests there is a group of people for reasons other than, and not just specific to finding Maura. this may be a possibility, along with the historical evidence of angry and targeted accusations.

in many ways, i am grateful when LE appropriately declines to release investigative information to the public...as the public, when poorly motivated, can cause additional harm to witnesses and truth.

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Gloucester, MA

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also, i'd be interested to have Mason's/Fred's take on being a witness, in general.

police are certainly trained to be exquisitely aware of their environment, and s/b able to report back with accurate detail about what they've observed.

john q. public, however, may not be as aware and capable.
Fred, are observations by different people under the exact circumstances and in the same environment reliably accurate?

WTF-the-original

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Bristol, CT

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Mason wrote:

The only steadfast belief I have about this case is that I still don't know what happened.

I'm here to help. 8-) Have been since the first forum.

Bill

paris

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Doesn't anyone recall how Butch sang the twilight zone song when asked where Maura went to then? That's all I was referring to. Geez, nazi loving hateful person,~ sorry, that's not me.

paris

WTF-the-original wrote:

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I'm here to help. 8-) Have been since the first forum.
Bill

Ditto

paris

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Old Timer wrote:

I think haverhill was used in an episode of the twilight zone

This is what made me think of what Butch said, or sang that time. I didn't mean anything ill and i guess it was not funny. I'm sorry.

Mason

Paducah, KY

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Snowy White wrote:

also, i'd be interested to have Mason's/Fred's take on being a witness, in general.
police are certainly trained to be exquisitely aware of their environment, and s/b able to report back with accurate detail about what they've observed.
john q. public, however, may not be as aware and capable.
Fred, are observations by different people under the exact circumstances and in the same environment reliably accurate?

No. It's a common misconception that "police are certainly trained to be exquisitely aware of their environment, and s/b able to report back with accurate detail about what they've observed."

Police are as susceptible as civilians to making mistakes. The problem has to do with our memories and how they work. We recall by association, expectation, interpretation, and reconstruction whether we carry a badge, or not.

Police are disadvantaged by another problem and that's the inherent difficulty in distinguishing similar incidents, DUI arrests for example, months later when they go to court and testify.

Human memory is not reliable and accurate. Even when the witness is absolutely certain, he or she is likely to be mistaken.

Approximately 70% of the 250 or so wrongful convictions of innocent people was due to mistaken eyewitness identification. These are cases where post-conviction DNA testing exonerated the innocent person.

60 Minutes devoted a segment of their show on Sunday to the Ronald Cotton case.

Fred

Fred

paris

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When I'm here, I ask about Maura most of the time. If that isn't focus enough for some, then I give up. Again. You don't seem to want me here because why else cut me down?
I don't use anyone as a punching bag, read back to page one and you'll see I try to be polite and I correct myself once I'm not.

FireCat

United States

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peripeteia wrote:

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Your point being?!
Who in this day and age does not have gay/lesbian friends, if ya don't ya got to wonder what rock a person lies under, because from my vantage point every second person you meet is or gay/lesbian, even married couples.

And furthermore, who cares if someone's a lesbian? I wanted to respond to this statement last night, but couldn't get my brain past the first insult to deal with the second.

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Suzanne wrote:

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It would be Sharon that Maura couldn't face, Sharon adored Maura and Maura adored Sharon. Maura knew this would break Sharon's heart.

without knowing the details that are none of our business, and understanding that Maura's mom is ill...i can believe Sharon was very close, and apparently a mother-supplement/substitute. that mutual devotion is not easily broken or discarded.

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Mason wrote:

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No. It's a common misconception that "police are certainly trained to be exquisitely aware of their environment, and s/b able to report back with accurate detail about what they've observed."
Police are as susceptible as civilians to making mistakes. The problem has to do with our memories and how they work. We recall by association, expectation, interpretation, and reconstruction whether we carry a badge, or not.
Police are disadvantaged by another problem and that's the inherent difficulty in distinguishing similar incidents, DUI arrests for example, months later when they go to court and testify.
Human memory is not reliable and accurate. Even when the witness is absolutely certain, he or she is likely to be mistaken.
Approximately 70% of the 250 or so wrongful convictions of innocent people was due to mistaken eyewitness identification. These are cases where post-conviction DNA testing exonerated the innocent person.
60 Minutes devoted a segment of their show on Sunday to the Ronald Cotton case.
Fred
Fred

i expected this answer, just from my own perceptions and awareness about recalling details from my life experiences.
to me, it's yet another interesting facet of human behavior.

at the end of your post i realized you are EXACTLY the right person to ask. boy, if anyone would know, it would be you.

it's good to keep this important info. in mind when witnesses, such as the SBD, are quoted or doubted here.

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peripeteia wrote:

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Your point being?!
Who in this day and age does not have gay/lesbian friends, if ya don't ya got to wonder what rock a person lies under, because from my vantage point every second person you meet is or gay/lesbian, even married couples.

guess i live under a rock.

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Mason wrote:

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No. It's a common misconception that "police are certainly trained to be exquisitely aware of their environment, and s/b able to report back with accurate detail about what they've observed."
Police are as susceptible as civilians to making mistakes. The problem has to do with our memories and how they work. We recall by association, expectation, interpretation, and reconstruction whether we carry a badge, or not.
Police are disadvantaged by another problem and that's the inherent difficulty in distinguishing similar incidents, DUI arrests for example, months later when they go to court and testify.

sometimes, i'm prone to give too much credit where it is not due.

Wowzer

Bethlehem, NH

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peripeteia wrote:

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Your point being?!
Who in this day and age does not have gay/lesbian friends, if ya don't ya got to wonder what rock a person lies under, because from my vantage point every second person you meet is or gay/lesbian, even married couples.

Wow really?!?! Every second person?!?! Well that should slow down the population and any worry about future baby boomers.

FireCat

United States

Snowy White wrote:

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guess i live under a rock.

LOL, sometimes there's no telling. You might not live under a rock, but simply not realize it. But either way, the point remains that it's not a big deal to most people.

If you DID have gay/lesbian friends, would you keep them separate from your other friends? You don't strike me as that kind of person. And neither does Maura. I don't know how old you are, Snowy, and it doesn't matter one bit, but as a group, most college aged kids are significantly less uptight about homosexuality than many older adults. For many, it's a total non-issue.

The point I'm trying to make here is to Beagle, not to you, Snowy.

FireCat

United States

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Wowzer wrote:

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Wow really?!?! Every second person?!?! Well that should slow down the population and any worry about future baby boomers.

Dude, do you not know superlative when you see it? Or are you being intentionally nasty?

Wowzer

Franconia, NH

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peripeteia wrote:

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Beagle you sound like Pike on the old forum, spitting nails. I resent your above comment,
as many people worked tirelessly for justice for
Maura and others, and saying the members of the old forum were underhanded, can't even understand this comment.
You and several others here can't see to pry yourself from the past, this is sad, as things have moved along. A cold case squad is in the works, this was the goal. We have arrived, can you and others catch up, or do ya all want to stay in the past?

Just curious. Where have you arrived Peri because it sure seems like you're on the same road with the same people and the same stale old scenerios that haven't helped in over 5 years. Just look at your post # 16304. It could have been taken off the old MM forum.
The people that tried to help Maura that night have had every word they said picked to pieces for years. They've been picked to pieces so much there's not much left to pick apart so my question is how many more years are you going to pick their words and them apart before moving off the corner of BHR and 112? Seems it's you and a few others that are stuck in the past.

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FireCat wrote:

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LOL, sometimes there's no telling. You might not live under a rock, but simply not realize it. But either way, the point remains that it's not a big deal to most people.
If you DID have gay/lesbian friends, would you keep them separate from your other friends? You don't strike me as that kind of person. And neither does Maura. I don't know how old you are, Snowy, and it doesn't matter one bit, but as a group, most college aged kids are significantly less uptight about homosexuality than many older adults. For many, it's a total non-issue.
The point I'm trying to make here is to Beagle, not to you, Snowy.

i can't guess your generation, FC...but we both remember stuff that may date us. or at least i can! Quija guesses you're a younger chicken.

right - homosexuality is a non-issue for college aged kids...and for many others.
with each passing day i remain ever so committed to my conservative values and outlook, and make funny faces at liberal views. i am now, officially, old.

i don't look for these differences in orientation, and i avoid discussing them at length...again, due to my conservative outlook.

at the same time, you're absolutely correct in believing i would not separate my friends, regardless of their differences. friends are friends.

i will trail off here....

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