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sophie bean

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Lower Slower Delaware wrote:
<quoted text>At least I offered one up, if you think I'm going to grovel and kiss your ass, I will both be dead and buried before that ever happens. I don't grovel or kiss anyones ass.
I checked and verified my information with 3 different sources,(at the time whom I had absolutely no reason to doubt and whom I did in fact have contact with outside of these forums), that's 2 more than most of the bullshit (including yours) I see posted as "fact" in any of these forums.
And I repeat, this forum is about Maura Murray - heard of her?-so take your sorry ass back where it beloings, little tail between your legs and all.
You clearly are demanding that I post, right here in Topix, my real, full name, my home address, my home phone number, You are a psycho and a stalker.
I will tell you this much - I am not and have never been married, I have not ever lived in or near Grafton County, I have NO - repeat NO - relatives in Grafton County, and my siblings reside in Maine, and always have.
You are still a liar and a coward.

Frankly, I'd appreciate some others here telling this jackass to piss off.
White Wash

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Mar 12, 2009
 
Odd the Westmans didn't mention the other 3 people when I interviewed them this is the first
I've hear of others at the Westmans where did you
get this information?
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Never said they lied, not once. Obviously the Westman's have a difference of opinion of what they perceived, and there were three other people in the house as well as Tim and Faith.
They have not told untruths that I am aware of,
just eyesight and perceptional differences between two people.
Stating also the difference of what was reported to 911, and what the police report state, Faith say the car came to rest in the Westbound lane, Smith's report does not indicate this. Did the 911 operator make a mistake, or did Faith, re: Westbound vs. Eastbound lane where the car was found. Faith stated to 911 that the car was in the Westbound ditch.
So either the 911 operator made a mistake in notation, perception, or Faith made a mistake about the car being in the Westbound lane.
If the car was in the Westbound lane ditch and backed up to the Eastbound side, Smith's report is worthless as evidence.
Marotte stated the car backed up.
So just trying to figure if 911 operator made a mistake, Faith made a mistake, or if Smith witheld evidence and gave a faulty report (one for the public).
Can't make any sense out of the information. I do not believe that the Westman's lied. If I said something to this effect, never meant to, just to point out the confusion which is MOST relivant.
If the car was in the Westbound lane, when was it moved, obviously after Faith called. Smith report does not indicate the car ever being in the Westbound lane.
White Wash

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And you know Atwood changed these how?
I think if you actually go back and look carefully
you will MANY OF THIS INFORMATION NOT QUOTED IN THE ARTICLES!

Atwood stopped,called 911,and helped searched,spent how much time and effort w/the family?

Your words below clear up why people just drive on by..........
peripeteia wrote:
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His lies make him the author of his own misfortune, let it be a byword to others who try to help to keep their stories straight. No one slandered him, he slandered himself. He refused to set matters straight with Healy who visited him in Florida, his chance to vindicate himself.
A good smaritan does not lie.
She was drunk, she wasn't drunk
he got off the bus
he did not get off the bus
he checked out the car for damage
he was no more than 15 feet near to the girl
we went straight home
witness says he stayed on his bus a long time
he called 911 at 1943
he was not in at 1943 when Haverhill called back
to confirm information
airbags deployed in face and could only see her from lips up
he got a real good look at her
other witness state man smoking a cigarette
he was a former police office, not true
any discerning person including a child would have trouble with his varying statements
police refuse to comment on his statements, therefore the problem of his veracity is pepetuated by the police. Also police are witholding the information from the 911 to Hanover.
Suzanne: If Maura was your daughter, how well would his statements sit with you, not too well I would venture. I'd have had his butt in court in a heart beat.
He is lucky not to be charged with obstruction of justice, it is a criminal offense to lie in an investigation.
Private investigators state that he has not been truthful. It is unlikely that he harmed Maura but as far as a reliable witnesses, he is not.
His stories can not all be put off to BAD reporting, which there is no lack of..
sophie bean

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Beagle, I mean Alden, I mean...
The point, as you appear to have forgotten it, is that - as Mason said - the whole priurient discussion of your assumptions about Maura's sexuaity, her association with - gasp!!!- "lesbian friends" - is a FANTASY constructed in your own feverish brain.
There is NO proof of any of it, and if there were, then every single person with a gay or lesbian friend (or! imagine! relative!!!) would be an understadable target for a homical homophobic attack. Surely this would greatly reduce the population.
Again, you have constructed what is not a logical, fact-based "theory" and now are fiercely defending a sensational "theory" to the detriment of productive discussion of possible scenarios.

My biggest concern, I guess, is that there is absolutely no way to prove or disprove this "theory" -and it cannot get us closer to finding Maura. If you could "prove" that Maura had "lesbian friends" -you can also prove that for a huge majority of the population. There would be no reason at all to think that that would have anythng to do with her disappearance.
sophie bean

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Beagle wrote:
<quoted text>She didn't take enough nutritional supplements? Or took too many? As advised by her physical "therapist?"
Yes, Beagle, and this is also "not trashing Maura"? What's next, Alden? And this had what, precisely, to do with her shady art gallery behavior, her "lesbian friends" or your other pet Maura-trashing "theory" du jour. There are so many - it's difficult to keep up.
White Wash

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Is he Det?
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Oh Mr Beagle you are so wrong
Wowzer

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peripeteia wrote:
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His lies make him the author of his own misfortune, let it be a byword to others who try to help to keep their stories straight. No one slandered him, he slandered himself. He refused to set matters straight with Healy who visited him in Florida, his chance to vindicate himself.
A good smaritan does not lie.
She was drunk, she wasn't drunk
he got off the bus
he did not get off the bus
he checked out the car for damage
he was no more than 15 feet near to the girl
we went straight home
witness says he stayed on his bus a long time
he called 911 at 1943
he was not in at 1943 when Haverhill called back
to confirm information
airbags deployed in face and could only see her from lips up
he got a real good look at her
other witness state man smoking a cigarette
he was a former police office, not true
any discerning person including a child would have trouble with his varying statements
police refuse to comment on his statements, therefore the problem of his veracity is pepetuated by the police. Also police are witholding the information from the 911 to Hanover.
Suzanne: If Maura was your daughter, how well would his statements sit with you, not too well I would venture. I'd have had his butt in court in a heart beat.
He is lucky not to be charged with obstruction of justice, it is a criminal offense to lie in an investigation.
Private investigators state that he has not been truthful. It is unlikely that he harmed Maura but as far as a reliable witnesses, he is not.
His stories can not all be put off to BAD reporting, which there is no lack of..
It's a known fact that the more someone is questioned, the more their story will change as to what they saw. This was an older man that was questioned a million times by several people, LE, family, PI,strangers, etc.
Wasn't it the PI that hunted him down at his new home in FL that he refused to speak to? I would have refused to speak to him too after being put thru hell, moving away and then have strangers track me down to question me further. He heard what people were saying about him, it was in one of the newspaper articles that he was hurt by what they thought after all he tried to do was help her.
You seem to be stuck on the SBD and yes Peri he was slandered and his reputation was most certainly harmed by people like you.
As much as you would like everyone within a mile to be dragged in to take a lie detector test, a grand jury called,and people to be charged with obstruction of justice keep in mind that as far as we know there is still NO evidence that a crime has even been commited.
Your stories and facts change also on this forum and you have been corrected before for stating something that was wrong. Because of this would you say you are a liar or that after all the mountains of bullshit you were just confused?
Wowzer

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peripeteia wrote:
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Suck with the information available, yupe will not let it go, and likely wrote the same words on all the forums about Maura. It is what it is.
Just don't read what I say, because you can already guess what it is, at least I'm not changing my story, or picking information from out in left field. It is what it is....
LOL. Your a piece of work. Stay stuck on stupid. I'll see you still picking away at the SBD in another 5 years.
In the meantime I hope an army of new posters that aren't obsessed with these few people that tried to help Maura will post some new ideas that haven't been gone over a million times.
Wowzer

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White Wash wrote:
And you know Atwood changed these how?
I think if you actually go back and look carefully
you will MANY OF THIS INFORMATION NOT QUOTED IN THE ARTICLES!
Atwood stopped,called 911,and helped searched,spent how much time and effort w/the family?
Your words below clear up why people just drive on by..........
<quoted text>
I totally agree.
Wowzer

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Mar 12, 2009
 
White Wash wrote:
Odd the Westmans didn't mention the other 3 people when I interviewed them this is the first
I've hear of others at the Westmans where did you
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This is something I'd like to know also as it has had me confused since I heard it. Where did this information come from?

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sophie bean wrote:
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And I repeat, this forum is about Maura Murray - heard of her?-so take your sorry ass back where it beloings, little tail between your legs and all.
You clearly are demanding that I post, right here in Topix, my real, full name, my home address, my home phone number, You are a psycho and a stalker.
I will tell you this much - I am not and have never been married, I have not ever lived in or near Grafton County, I have NO - repeat NO - relatives in Grafton County, and my siblings reside in Maine, and always have.
You are still a liar and a coward.
Frankly, I'd appreciate some others here telling this jackass to piss off.
Show all of us EXACTLY in which post I demanded you post all your personal information. You can't because I didn't and you are a LIAR stating I made such a demand.

I've already apologized to you and explained (as you demanded I do) ad naseum the circumstances surrounding the "misinformation" (as you claim it is)I was given.

You run from forum to forum spewing your lies that I have never apologized, that I demand you publicly post your information in these forums. YOU know my real name you could if you chose to send an email to my website (Personally I don't give a damn whether you do or not)and I would disclose to you PRIVATELY the names and emails containing the information I received about "you".

IT IS YOU who wants me to violate the privacy rights of others and publish their emails and names in a public forum. I WILL NOT and I AM NOT GOING TO DO THAT.

As far as who you really are or are not I could care less quite frankly I don't care if you had sex with every Kenney family member or not, or if you even know them. At the time I made my comment about you being a family member I had absolutely no reason to doubt the people who provided the information.....
Keep the facts straight instead of continuing the bullshit. Who's the one hiding behind an alias I'm certainly not....so look in the mirror before you call someone a coward and a liar.
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"mountains of bullsh**"

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SB,

Prior to my recent posts which were in response to you dragging my name up in this particular forum,(once again I might add) I hadn't posted in here in months....perhaps you need to remember this is the MM forum.

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Just an observation the diehard members continue to persue this which is fine. You are so sure each time you throw names out and drag the people through the mud that you believe to be Maura's assailant. Let's review the list of suspects, as I recall since I began following this forum: the junkyard owner, the person in the A frame, the bus driver, Cpl McKay, Gregory W. Floyd, both of them together, Floyd junior.....and the list goes on.
With each name came a new fevor to crucify this person whether in a court of law or an Internet Kangaroo Court setting that you have created in here. When you find you have no concrete evidence to substantiate these wild claims you move on to your next suspect.
Mason

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Mar 12, 2009
 
I've noticed some surprise and questions about Peri's assertion that there were three other witnesses in the Westman's home. I checked it out and this is what I found.

In Message #16304 at page 809, Peri said,

"We have never heard if the other members of the household were watching, the elderly Mr. Westman now deceased, and the Westman's son and daughter."

“ Good B chillaxin - TY Scott”

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Mar 12, 2009
 
Lower Slower Delaware wrote:
Just an observation the diehard members continue to persue this which is fine. You are so sure each time you throw names out and drag the people through the mud that you believe to be Maura's assailant. Let's review the list of suspects, as I recall since I began following this forum: the junkyard owner, the person in the A frame, the bus driver, Cpl McKay, Gregory W. Floyd, both of them together, Floyd junior.....and the list goes on.
With each name came a new fevor to crucify this person whether in a court of law or an Internet Kangaroo Court setting that you have created in here. When you find you have no concrete evidence to substantiate these wild claims you move on to your next suspect.
Fresh eyes and a common sense, no nonsense approach.
Agree, LSD.
It is by repetition of misinformation that it becomes difficult to separate truth from fiction.
There are plenty of accusers, it seems, without a factual basis for their accusations.
Mason

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I want to clear up something I said awhile ago regarding Maura's relationship with Billy. I suggested they may have had a substantial disagreement regarding the legitimacy of our starting the War in Iraq and this might have exacerbated the difficulties of their maintaining a long distance relationship. I believe I was absolutely wrong and I apologize for my mistake.

I came across the following You Tube video that convinced me I was wrong.

http
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/watch?v=MDHlVBunUXc

I learned a lot about Billy from watching it and I recommend it to any of you interested in knowing more about him.

I posted the link the way I did because this sit has a policy against posting links in messages.

Copy it and paste it in your browser and it should work.

Fred
Mason

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Wouldn't it be nice if we had videos of all the witness statements?

“ Good B chillaxin - TY Scott”

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Mar 12, 2009
 
i see an impassioned, authentic, intelligent and ambitious young man.

from your unique perspective, Mason, am i missing anything?
Mason

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Mar 12, 2009
 
Yesterday, I mentioned the problems with eyewitness testimony. Here's a link to the 60 Minutes 2-part program on the Ronald Cotton case.

I recommend it to everyone.

http
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