Where is MAURA MURRAY

Even strong people wind up in situations where they feel that they can't go on --- they just can't take one additional thing! They can be smart, resourceful and have "everything going for them". That's got nothing to do with emotional upset and behavior!

The preparations Maura made before she left vary from precisely done (condition of her dorm room, emails of explanation, etc.) to apparently haphazard (what she DID NOT bring with her, leaving at dusk in a "bad" car, etc.).

It seems she fled towards an incompletely formed goal... To run away because she was angry (Kurt thought so); or because she felt she angered and/or disappointed her father with the car accident, and maybe more; or because someone was harassing her or trying to embarrass her? or, she realized she was just living a life that others had funneled her into!

I don't think she ran into a killer in Woodsville. But I also think that in NH she was playing things minute-to-minute in terms of her keeping on running, or giving in to despondency.

Suzanne is right about Maura refusing help not just from the SBD, but having a pattern of behavior of refusing help.

We all know what it's like to be doing something, but not really letting ourselves think about it. For example, an overweight person might just decide to browse the candy aisle without clearly deciding to buy some. They put a bag in the cart and are still half denying to themselves on some level that they are doing this and that they are going to eat that candy. Same with an alcoholic going into a bar with a vaguely formed idea of just having a coke. So, I think it's THAT state of mind Maura was in on Feb. 9th, made worse by some major additional upsets. In NH her situation kept changing! Her car is stuck, people are watching her from their windows, a SBD tells her he's calling the cops, her cellphone doesn't get reception, alcohol has somehow spilled and the car smells of it... at that point she had to start making it up as she went along.

I'd hope that LE interviewed professors, businessmen, artists, hospital employees and anyone else Maura interacted with to find out if someone else "left" the Amherst area around the same time, even for a "planned" sabbatical, etc.

Enough.

Great points Quija and I understand where you are coming from, thanks.

It's LE's (well Troop F & HPD's) word against Maura's family's and this is where it will continue to stand until her remains have been found.

elsewherebriefly wrote:

I have often wondered what family life must have been like people who continually ponder the runaway theory after five years of no activity on Maura's credit cards, bank accounts, and social security number.
Even after Maura's own family stated they believed Maura was deceased and at this point hers is a recovery effort.
Unlike some folks on this forum I am not go to delve into other's personal lives re: formative years or pass judgement with my limited education in psychology.
I was fortunate to have grown up in a very stable and loving environment and I see many similarities in Maura's family life with my own.
What is being described re: the runaway theory is a truly selfish act and a young woman who has never caused her family a moments worry and calls her dad when she says she will would not put her family through living hell for five years nonetheless.
And I'm accused of not having a firm grasp on reality?

I had no idea that you had such intimate knowledge of the complex family dynamics that were peculiar to Maura's family. And you dare to suggest that anyone who thinks Maura ran away was brought by wolves!?!

elsewherebriefly wrote:

I have often wondered what family life must have been like people who continually ponder the runaway theory after five years
I was fortunate to have grown up in a very stable and loving environment

Do you have any idea how inflammatory and insulting that is. You have just insulted the family of everyone who thinks Maura ran away and is still alive.

EWB You want Maura to be dead so badly that you insult anyone who disagrees with you by telling them they must have been brought up in a dysfunctional family.

elsewherebriefly wrote:

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Call bullshit all you want. Dr. Godwin was contacted by a friend of his who heard about Brianna and Maura's disappearances those first couple of months. Dr. Godwin provided his findings on a volunteer basis and whether people wish to except this he is in fact and expert.
His findings on the (2) cases were very different by the way. A former F.B.I profiler also confirmed his opinions, especially the ones pertaining to Maura.
Over the years S.T.A.L.K. has been working with the licensed private detectives with the Molly Bish Foundation and they are an entirely different entity.
Weeper himself has come onto this forum and confirmed the findings of these experts and reiterated the person(s) responsible for Maura's disappearance has done it before and will do it again.
How many expert opinions does it take?(3) expert opinions is enough for me!
The volunteer licensed private detectives with the Molly Bish Foundation are working with the NHSP and for this I am grateful.
With all due respect to the goodhearted folks out there Weeper has stated there is little we (the locals of Haverhill & forum members alike) can do except be present for the volunteer physical searches for Maura.

Dr G. from what I read made this assessment from another state. His theory has no more proof than a runaway/suicide theory. THERE IS NO PROOF. Only speculation, which is what we are all doing here because we have virtually no valid information. Please stop repeating the same thing over & over. I think we all get your position.

Beagle fart,

Thanks for somewhat discussing what you said a few pages back as a waste of time.

I think the reaction of umass pd is disturbing.

I just can't get over your gall at saying that I and anyone else (and there are quite a few of us) who believe Maura ran away come from flawed, unloving, dysfunctional families. You EWB are a sick, crime obsessed (and this has been said by others here), death obsessed ghoul. Go Away. Go rob a graveyard or something. One has to wonder why you are so obsessed with death and violent crime? Could it be because of your ecstatically happy and perfect childhood and family life?

WW wrote:

"Just for the record this IS IN CORRECT since I heard it directly from someone involved.
CW told a neighbor what he thought he saw someone running around that time frame.The neighbor
took him about the date and he checked his records and they where the same night!
This neighbor told the Store Owner who was relaying every piece of information to Fred!
So she picked up the phone and called Fred and
told him!

And CW did contact NHSP himself but by that point
Fred was in his face w/the PI's and it instead
of letting LE handle it well you got people
refusing PI's searches!
Does not mean that CW has not been help NHSP!

This is just ONE OF THE MANY THINGS THAT are misleading about this case!"
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CW and a neighbor/friend were talking IN THE STORE and the owner "WM" overheard the conversation. Somehow the info was given to LE and they then went to CW house to talk to him about the sighting. CW did not go to LE, they went to him.

Also at that time there was only one PI helping the Murrays and that was me. I have never talked to the CW, but Fred has.

CW refused a search of his property LONG BEFORE Fred Murray even knew about him. I think I might question where the info came from and if it is viable.

Hello everyone, I am new here, and to the plight of Maura.

I just wanted to say that there are some very valuable posters here, especially Mason, Dawn, etc. Reading through the plethora of pages here, you two just stand out and I wanted to say 'thanks'...the well-thought-out analysis offered here has opened my eyes!

Slainte!

elsewherebriefly wrote:

I have often wondered what family life must have been like people who continually ponder the runaway theory after five years of no activity on Maura's credit cards, bank accounts, and social security number.
Even after Maura's own family stated they believed Maura was deceased and at this point hers is a recovery effort.
Unlike some folks on this forum I am not go to delve into other's personal lives re: formative years or pass judgement with my limited education in psychology.
I was fortunate to have grown up in a very stable and loving environment and I see many similarities in Maura's family life with my own.
What is being described re: the runaway theory is a truly selfish act and a young woman who has never caused her family a moments worry and calls her dad when she says she will would not put her family through living hell for five years nonetheless.
And I'm accused of not having a firm grasp on reality?

I would call leaving college due to a made up excuse, not telling anyone that I am leaving and leaving in an unreliable vehicle pretty selfish in iteself. Who would do that if they weren't running away from something? Something already in place in her life with either her family, her boyfriend or someone related somehow to Amherst?

Hi Elsewhere Briefly et al.,

I don't mean to put down Maura or her family in considering the possibility that things had piled up for her to the extent that she just ran.... And, out of fear, embarrassment, mortification, or whatever, decided to remain out of touch, no matter how much that hurt her, knowing it was hurting loved ones. Human life is twisted and complicated! And full of love and pain! I really don't want to assume she was killed. And I think it's very unlikely that something happened on 112 in Woodsville with witnesses --- and not in a more typical abduction site like a convenience store, bar, or parking lot.

Even with a good life and great prospects humans sometimes just get depressed and act impulsively.

Alcohol is a depressant even in moderation and sometimes people with everything to live for just get depressed and take action.

I keep imagining her supervisor recommending counseling. I think of her friends after the Saturday night party trying to take care of her. I think of her not talking things out with Sarah the day after she crashed her dad's car. I think of her fleeing rather than dealing with the police in Woodsville. I think of what was found in the car --- a virtual museum of artifacts relating to people she loved. This doesn't look like a several-day getaway! As said, besides probably not having enough cash for a week, MAURA COULD NOT GO BACK TO CAMPUS after a couple of nights without lots of questions after having said she needed a WEEK for a family problem.

Running away or harming herself doesn't eliminate the possibility of foul play at some point. But I think there's been lots of things posted to keep us from seeing where Maura was really "at", despite her gifts. This might leave us right where we began, but it's worth HOPING that she's alive.

Quija,

Please know I never once got the impression you were putting Maura or her family down.

I will admit that my earlier posting about people believing Maura ran away came out wrong.

You've always been very civil and kind to other posters. The majority of posters on this forum have also been very civil and kind to others.

I never knew about all of the young women whom have gone missing and have been murdered all around me while I was living back home in New Hampshire and yes this has been very disturbing to me.

The fact that LE continues to say that Maura ran away even though the experts have stated otherwise is very disturbing to me as well.

elsewherebriefly wrote:

Quija,
Please know I never once got the impression you were putting Maura or her family down.
I will admit that my earlier posting about people believing Maura ran away came out wrong.
You've always been very civil and kind to other posters. The majority of posters on this forum have also been very civil and kind to others.
I never knew about all of the young women whom have gone missing and have been murdered all around me while I was living back home in New Hampshire and yes this has been very disturbing to me.
The fact that LE continues to say that Maura ran away even though the experts have stated otherwise is very disturbing to me as well.

Sorry to butt in, but why is LE opinion irrelevant? Dr Godwin word is gold, but the LEO's that investigated the case, their investigation is of lesser value?

I'm not agreeing/disagreeing with the serial killer theory, just saying , why is one more valid than another? Seriously?

We really don't know what happened, why discredit the side that has more facts than us, as opposed to DR G. who is THEORIZING what happened?

ooOOoo,

Dr. Maurice Godwin is NOT the field of experts the licensed Private Detectives for the Molly Bish Foundation re: Weepher has been quoting or relying on over the past few years.

NHSP have never once acknowledged publically that Maura may have been the victim of a serial predator. They are continually saying that Maura ran away and started a new life.

elsewherebriefly wrote:

ooOOoo,
Dr. Maurice Godwin is NOT the field of experts the licensed Private Detectives for the Molly Bish Foundation re: Weepher has been quoting or relying on over the past few years.
NHSP have never once acknowledged publically that Maura may have been the victim of a serial predator. They are continually saying that Maura ran away and started a new life.

Huh?

Beagle wrote:

<quoted text>A philosophy professor in a logics class was discussing the fact that while there are double negatives in language ("He don't do nothing."), which equals a positive, there is no such thing as a double positive. At which point one of his wiseass students said, "Yeah, yeah."

HA!!!! Love it.

If Maura did intentionally leave on her own...

Would that explain the video not being shown?

If your an adult, you have the right to disappear.

Many say " she could not start a new life if she hasn't used her ss#, bank card, etc.

If she was starting a new life, these would be the first things she would ditch.

Starting a new life, you would do things that would be untraceable. JMO.

Suzanne wrote:

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Very well done and very interesting. We know very little about Maura, the only person who let us know a little about Maura as a person was Sharon, bless her. Firecat tells me it is none of our business, it is an invasion of her privacy, yet FC has never once commented on the discussion of Maura's birth control pills which I thought was a rather private matter.
NH LE has been roundly, soundly and repeatedly condemned for suggesting that Maura was a runaway. I have always seen it as a real possibility. Adding to your above list is the fact that Maura refused to allow SBD to call for help.

Actually I have commented on the birth control pills, but it may have been over on Advocate's other forum, where you might not have seen it. Because I agree with you....it's quite personal.

whiston wrote:

Hi all, does anyone have a record of where LE first mentioned the backpack.Firecat seems to think it was on the BOL before mr Murray arrived in NH.I have always understood that sgtSmith did not hear back from Umass until Tuesday evening after the BOL was issued.Maybe LE in NH did get a hold of Mauras family or umass P.D much earlier than was reported.Still wondering in a big way who and when was the first person in Mauras roomm after she vanished form Aherst/Woodsville.take care philip

FireCat does NOT seem to think that. I urge you to go back and read both posts I made yesterday regarding this, three or four pages back. One directly quotes a newspaper, which doesn't state WHEN police determined she had the backpack. The other, which refers to the GCSD log, does not mention the backpack at all.

I also urge you to go revisit the Grafton County Sheriff's Department log, which is available for download on the other forum. You will be able to see for yourself what is and is not mentioned in the original BOL.

Presumably, since the BOL Sharon referenced was issued on 2/11, which was two days after Maura disappeared and while the family was up there, they at that point knew that Maura's backpack was missing. The backpack is not referred to in that press release, but that's all I know.

As to the exact date or moment when HPD knew and/or announced the backpack was missing, I don't know because I do not have all of the records (obviously).