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Beagle

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Anne wrote:
<quoted text>Beagle how could this be so when the ORIGINAL call was for missing female?
Sorry, don't know what you mean about "this" being true. What "this" are you referring to, please. Thanks.
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WTF-the-original wrote:
I have tried in the past to verify to my satisfaction that Dr Godwin had anything of substance to offer and didnít find anything of consequence. This time I did find some articles he has written and some reviews of things he has done. I will not read his books because anyone can publish a book and unless it is peer reviewed it has little use as a research tool. On the surface it appears that he has done some things of interest. His theories seem to be based upon other works that are readily available. His claims or claims others seem to make about him are interesting because sometimes he claims that certain things cannot be gotten from the data that he uses and then proceeds to take some credit for information that he claims cannot be gotten from the data so I am still not convinced as to what he actually provides or how different it is from what others do, if it is.
You may want to take what he says on blind faith and that is ok with me. I prefer to see the data and what he claims can be learned from it. If what he says is true then serial murderers and arsonists and rapists all subconsciously have patterns that they are not aware they are making. Maybe they do and maybe they donít. I have looked at one of his peer reviewed journals that he coauthored a paper on.
I understand much of what is in his paper and I am actually going to review what he says. I understand his approach and the theory and math behind it. I will respond later with what I find. If I canít fully understand what he is saying I will be happy to say that. If I find it to be unsubstantiated I will be happy to say that also. If people try to invest more confidence in what he is saying than is justified by his research or data I will say that also. When people donít actually understand what someone is saying they sometimes invest hopes that are unjustified into the theory even when the person himself doesnít make those claims. I will also try to find other peer reviewed publications that he may have contributed to.
One thing is already clear. What is very disturbing is that he needs data to feed the program/theory he has written. So, the data that he has used to make this determination is still not available. This again, is my biggest concern. He claims others have been involved in committing some crime in the area based upon data that he is using with items that we donít know if they are linked in any way, shape or form. That is a very large hole in the conclusion to start with. What I know already Iíll mention (simplified). He used information on past serial killers sites where they both dumped and killed their victims. He has built a mathematical statistical model on these past crimes and uses them to model where a killer (rapist, arsonist) likely lives(ed). The more crimes tied to that person the claim is the more accuracy because of the perps behavior.
Problems Ė We donít know if Maura was killed. We donít know if Brianna was killed. We donít know where Mauraís body was dumped (if she is dead). We also donít know where Briannaís body was dumped (if she is dead). We also donít know what other people he might be using to include in his data to make the assertion, that there is a serial killer or killers. Other problems are that any people he has included in the data that are claimed to be associated with this serial killer(s) are unknown to us. Since there is no useful data, based upon his own criterion, for Maura or Brianna how does he come to these conclusions? This product he produced seems to be driven ass backwards, by his own published criterion, but I will notions so rocking the boat is counterproductive. I am an itinerant boat rocker. In the end it produces nothing but the best product that is capable
Bill
Cut to the chase. Another fraud and dope from NC.
Beagle

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oo00oo wrote:
If Maura did intentionally leave on her own...
Would that explain the video not being shown?
If your an adult, you have the right to disappear.
Many say " she could not start a new life if she hasn't used her ss#, bank card, etc.
If she was starting a new life, these would be the first things she would ditch.
Starting a new life, you would do things that would be untraceable. JMO.
I agree with your (and others') feeling on this. It certainly is possible that - if she drove the Saturn to Rt. 112 in Haverhill NH - that she had to increasingly improvise. Finally, things may have got out of control as previously pointed out. Desperately disappearing to start a new life, one one hand, or, on the other, committing suicide can share a common origin in thought. "I'll just disappear," can mean a couple of different things. There's disappearing from everyone else you know, and disappearing from everyone you know including yourself.

The problem with that view is not that it has less viability, but that unless a note or body shows up, there's nothing to do. It's not something that can be taken anywhere. If Maura was a crime victim, then there's something that, potentially, can be figured out.

At any rate, UMass PD is handling the investigation, which I think they would just as soon see disappear also.

It's interesting that only HPD and NHSP has been the object of ridicule and scorn.
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Detective Columbo wrote:
Whether or not CW came home via 112 or BHR or even if he was home at the time of the acc. he would have seen or heard something. Lights flashing, loud speakers going off from radio transmissions, cars parked on roadway, Etc. How convenient that he did not notice a thing, I believe this to be untrue. CW has also had 3 different accounts of that night as told to LE, PI'S and Fred Murray.
Why did CW and SBD change their stories?
If as CW states he was coming home from Franconia when he reached the immediate area of 112 and BHR,(his house is on the corner) he would have seen something. If he stayed on 112 when he came around the corner he would have seen all the activity, if perhaps he came DOWN BHR he still would have seen flashing lights and activity. IF he had just seen someone running down the road a few minutes earlier and noticed this activity when arriving home he MIGHT put 2 and 2 together. CW is a very smart man, it is hard to believe he would not go talk to LE that night or WAY BEFORE April 29th. 2004, 2 1/2 months later. ALSO how convenient that his info came out about the sighting 4 to 5 miles away just before a planned search of the immediate area of the acc. scene. IMHO
Talk about diversionary! Why say all this crap? Is the money really that good?
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Detective Columbo wrote:
Whether or not CW came home via 112 or BHR or even if he was home at the time of the acc. he would have seen or heard something. Lights flashing, loud speakers going off from radio transmissions, cars parked on roadway, Etc. How convenient that he did not notice a thing, I believe this to be untrue. CW has also had 3 different accounts of that night as told to LE, PI'S and Fred Murray.
Why did CW and SBD change their stories?
If as CW states he was coming home from Franconia when he reached the immediate area of 112 and BHR,(his house is on the corner) he would have seen something. If he stayed on 112 when he came around the corner he would have seen all the activity, if perhaps he came DOWN BHR he still would have seen flashing lights and activity. IF he had just seen someone running down the road a few minutes earlier and noticed this activity when arriving home he MIGHT put 2 and 2 together. CW is a very smart man, it is hard to believe he would not go talk to LE that night or WAY BEFORE April 29th. 2004, 2 1/2 months later. ALSO how convenient that his info came out about the sighting 4 to 5 miles away just before a planned search of the immediate area of the acc. scene. IMHO
But you say nothing about another bois who knew someone who worked next to a certain Amherst gallery. Why is that less relevant?
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I think when you're depressed, stressed, and overwhelmed that a change in geography isn't what you think to be a solution. I think when you might feel like you've failed, screwed up, disappointed a loved one, not sure you like your field of study, not sure if your marriage plans are the right thing for you or your fiance (no matter how much you care for them!), then you think of getting rid of this depression in another way --- just ending it --- again, partly conscious, partly just letting things happen... That's just my opinion tonight and I'm not on any particular side. Things seem to tally up that way... today. We can't give up hope of the most positive possibility. And we can't ignore in good faith the worst possibility.
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WHITE WASH wrote:
The information about the Tauton Police
is not quoted it was added by the Author. As you can clearly see Atwood's
actually "QUOTED STATEMENTS".
Now Police Dept have people who assist with Public events. Directing cars ect.
it is possible that Atwood would indeed
have dealings wiht the police in MA.
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I am not denying that he could have dealings with Taunton police officers. And "who told reporters he was a Taunton police officer" is pretty sloppy reporting if that's not what he told them. Which you also know.

Because you expect us to believe that unless it's in quotation marks, it's not a fact? Nope, sorry. Not happening. It MAY be sloppy reporting, but the fact that it appeared twice in two separate outlets leads me to believe that it was more of a case of sloppy speaking on his part. If someone says "I worked with the Taunton police department" and doesn't elaborate that it was as a civilian, and he's a relatively intelligent person with an IQ at least in the double digits, which by all accounts Atwood seems to be, he is IMO leaving the door open and hoping that people will walk through it.

Not gonna convince me on this, WW. Sorry.
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WHITE WASH wrote:
Fred Murray's own words to the governor
"reported" not LE when to investigated but Fred himself states REPORTED!
Recently, nearly three (3) months after the accident, a motorist who was driving
west on Route
112 at about 8:00 PM on February 9 reported seeing a young person acting
furtively heading
very fast in an easterly direction at a point about four (4) to five (5) miles away
from the scene
of the crash. The time line and description of the individualís appearance and
clothing fits
perfectly for this person to have been Maura.
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WW, I don't understand what you're saying in this post. Can you clarify, please? The use of the word "reported" is very common in newspapers. "reportedly" etc.....it's tidier and more official than saying "said so". It doesn't say "voluntarily went to them and reported". Police officers go to people's houses so they can give reports of things.

If you're trying to say that this proves that CW went to LE himself, that's not how I'm reading that at all. If it's not what you're trying to say, please 'splain to my not-understanding (also blond) self. Thanks.....
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quija wrote:
Could the Saturn's gearshift have been knocked into neutral as Maura climbed over to get out of the car on the passenger side? Could it have been displaced into neutral while she dealt with the airbag? Maybe as she shifted from F to R to try to get out of the snowbank and failed, she just left the stupid gearshift anywhere?
I would certainly think so.....not remembering too well how automatic transmissions function when you don't have your foot on the brake, but it seems to me that it's definitely possible. And lord knows I've been dumb enough to leave the car in drive when I stopped, even if I stopped on purpose instead of had an accident.
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Beagle wrote:
<quoted text>Correct. The presence of birth control pills is openly and frequently noted by duck/FIT, which is entirely inconsistent with other matters attacked by duck/FIT as private. Tells you something.
"Yeah, yeah."

Didn't read my response, didja.
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Because what it tells ME is that you've been doing some selective reading to make things fit with YOUR desired scenario.
oo00oo

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peripeteia wrote:
Law enforcement would not be wasting their meagre resources investigating Maura's disappearance as a criminal case if they had the slightest indication Maura was alive. The crimes unit would have sought the assistance of the FBI if they believe Maura is alive. There is no indication the FBI is involved, and they certainly would be in a person being held captive, or a run away.
The amount of resources and monies spent in Maura's investigation and searches likely approaches more monies than ever spent in a disappearance in New Hampshire's in recorded history.
I perhaps exaggerate slightly, however, my statement likely is not far from the truth.
Law enforcement and the state would not be investing resources on Maura's investigation if there is no evidence of foul play. Government simply doesn't have the money to waste.
Given the FBI are not involved, there is no indication law enforcement believe Maura is alive.
Weeper has advised, finding Maura at this point is a recover operation. I do not believe Weeper would make such a statement lightly and without evidence to say so.
Everyone is entitle to believe what they will, however there is no evidence to indicate Maura is alive.
The fact that so many detectives work to find Maura too is an indication that Maura was a victim of foul play.
It would be glorious if Maura were alive, but there is no indication that law enforcement or the detectives working in this investigation believe Maura is alive.
Please step in if I have spoken out of line if there exists any evidence that detectives and law enforcement believe Maura is alive and living somewhere else, or being held in captivity against her will, or is a victim of loss of memory
or is in hiding.
WE can argue all we want but at the end of the day, it is what it is. Maura's disappearance is a criminal investigation and the cold case squad will be looking into her disappearance when they become operational.
If I offend anyone I apologize, and I wish there was just the faintest hope Maura is alive, but law enforcement has never indicated any glimmer of hope that this is so.
Good point. I totally agree. I guess my frustration in not understanding why the last video of Maura is being kept from everyone, is clouding my common sense.
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quija, I have never thought that she was particularly depressed. Actually, I have always wondered if she had a sort of panic attack following the party Saturday night. Possibly an accumulation of what?(I don't know) It seems to me that maybe the gathering with friends was overlooked in a certain sense..did something occur that sent things into motion? Maybe just grasping at straws, I don't know.

The most positive possibility here, MAURA MURRAY MISSING _-_ SOLVED!!
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ScooterD wrote:
I've been reading many references to "FIT" and it has me confused. I recall when PI "Weeper" created this acronym for "Forum Investigative Team". Basically stating there is LE, the group of PI's/retired officers/etc, and the people joining in on the MMM forum. Different people all investigating or looking for Maura. What I don't recall is certain individuals 'assigned' to be a FIT member. The way FIT is presented recently on here it appears like it was an entity created by membership only; like a special task force or something. I always thought of it as 'just people on the 'net looking for Maura'...have I assumed wrong this whole time? I've been looking at all of us on Topix as FIT too. I wasnt on the MMM forum the last year+ it was around so maybe something changed!?!?
I posted this many pages ago - no replies that I saw. "FIT" seems to still be a topic of aggravation. So what the heck is up? I obviously missed something as to what this means - or when it changed...anyone?? TIA
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Scooter....F orum I nvestigating T eam....

It was NEVER a few...or 10 or 20 or 50 Posters

It was/is all hundreds of Posters on the Maura
Murray Forum(s) An acronym coined by Weeper.

I haven't a clue as to why it irritated some.
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Shack wrote:
Scooter....F orum I nvestigating T eam....
It was NEVER a few...or 10 or 20 or 50 Posters
It was/is all hundreds of Posters on the Maura
Murray Forum(s) An acronym coined by Weeper.
I haven't a clue as to why it irritated some.
Thanks for your reply. That's what I thought and remember. Whoever is on the forum - anyone and everyone - is "FIT". Maybe someone else out there read differently???
Beagle

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Mar 15, 2009
 
Seems like Maura's disappearance is at least somewhat if not closely connected to the unexpected death of David Eliot Marks of Northampton, MA.
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I think it should be learned for sure whether or not there is a useful connection between the untimely death of David Eliot Marks (b. 2/23/1952) and Maura Murray. There certainly appears to be at least a surprising connection between Marks and Murray. Marks died in the late 1990's, IIRC. Obviously, they did not know each other, but they do have - in a unique and meaningful way - something in common.
elsewherebriefly

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Mar 15, 2009
 
Does anyone happen to remember which house it was where the neighbor pointed out to Citigirl where he saw footprints in the snow?

The footprints were out behind his house but did not lead in from the street.
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Elsewhere..I am a great one to try to remember...
anything....but, was it the orange peeling, secret
witness ..last name starts with M....?
Maybe...?
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