Where is MAURA MURRAY

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Anne wrote:

<quoted text>Beagle how could this be so when the ORIGINAL call was for missing female?

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WTF-the-original wrote:

I have tried in the past to verify to my satisfaction that Dr Godwin had anything of substance to offer and didn’t find anything of consequence. This time I did find some articles he has written and some reviews of things he has done. I will not read his books because anyone can publish a book and unless it is peer reviewed it has little use as a research tool. On the surface it appears that he has done some things of interest. His theories seem to be based upon other works that are readily available. His claims or claims others seem to make about him are interesting because sometimes he claims that certain things cannot be gotten from the data that he uses and then proceeds to take some credit for information that he claims cannot be gotten from the data so I am still not convinced as to what he actually provides or how different it is from what others do, if it is.
You may want to take what he says on blind faith and that is ok with me. I prefer to see the data and what he claims can be learned from it. If what he says is true then serial murderers and arsonists and rapists all subconsciously have patterns that they are not aware they are making. Maybe they do and maybe they don’t. I have looked at one of his peer reviewed journals that he coauthored a paper on.
I understand much of what is in his paper and I am actually going to review what he says. I understand his approach and the theory and math behind it. I will respond later with what I find. If I can’t fully understand what he is saying I will be happy to say that. If I find it to be unsubstantiated I will be happy to say that also. If people try to invest more confidence in what he is saying than is justified by his research or data I will say that also. When people don’t actually understand what someone is saying they sometimes invest hopes that are unjustified into the theory even when the person himself doesn’t make those claims. I will also try to find other peer reviewed publications that he may have contributed to.
One thing is already clear. What is very disturbing is that he needs data to feed the program/theory he has written. So, the data that he has used to make this determination is still not available. This again, is my biggest concern. He claims others have been involved in committing some crime in the area based upon data that he is using with items that we don’t know if they are linked in any way, shape or form. That is a very large hole in the conclusion to start with. What I know already I’ll mention (simplified). He used information on past serial killers sites where they both dumped and killed their victims. He has built a mathematical statistical model on these past crimes and uses them to model where a killer (rapist, arsonist) likely lives(ed). The more crimes tied to that person the claim is the more accuracy because of the perps behavior.
Problems – We don’t know if Maura was killed. We don’t know if Brianna was killed. We don’t know where Maura’s body was dumped (if she is dead). We also don’t know where Brianna’s body was dumped (if she is dead). We also don’t know what other people he might be using to include in his data to make the assertion, that there is a serial killer or killers. Other problems are that any people he has included in the data that are claimed to be associated with this serial killer(s) are unknown to us. Since there is no useful data, based upon his own criterion, for Maura or Brianna how does he come to these conclusions? This product he produced seems to be driven ass backwards, by his own published criterion, but I will notions so rocking the boat is counterproductive. I am an itinerant boat rocker. In the end it produces nothing but the best product that is capable
Bill

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oo00oo wrote:

If Maura did intentionally leave on her own...
Would that explain the video not being shown?
If your an adult, you have the right to disappear.
Many say " she could not start a new life if she hasn't used her ss#, bank card, etc.
If she was starting a new life, these would be the first things she would ditch.
Starting a new life, you would do things that would be untraceable. JMO.

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Detective Columbo wrote:

Whether or not CW came home via 112 or BHR or even if he was home at the time of the acc. he would have seen or heard something. Lights flashing, loud speakers going off from radio transmissions, cars parked on roadway, Etc. How convenient that he did not notice a thing, I believe this to be untrue. CW has also had 3 different accounts of that night as told to LE, PI'S and Fred Murray.
Why did CW and SBD change their stories?
If as CW states he was coming home from Franconia when he reached the immediate area of 112 and BHR,(his house is on the corner) he would have seen something. If he stayed on 112 when he came around the corner he would have seen all the activity, if perhaps he came DOWN BHR he still would have seen flashing lights and activity. IF he had just seen someone running down the road a few minutes earlier and noticed this activity when arriving home he MIGHT put 2 and 2 together. CW is a very smart man, it is hard to believe he would not go talk to LE that night or WAY BEFORE April 29th. 2004, 2 1/2 months later. ALSO how convenient that his info came out about the sighting 4 to 5 miles away just before a planned search of the immediate area of the acc. scene. IMHO

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Detective Columbo wrote:

Whether or not CW came home via 112 or BHR or even if he was home at the time of the acc. he would have seen or heard something. Lights flashing, loud speakers going off from radio transmissions, cars parked on roadway, Etc. How convenient that he did not notice a thing, I believe this to be untrue. CW has also had 3 different accounts of that night as told to LE, PI'S and Fred Murray.
Why did CW and SBD change their stories?
If as CW states he was coming home from Franconia when he reached the immediate area of 112 and BHR,(his house is on the corner) he would have seen something. If he stayed on 112 when he came around the corner he would have seen all the activity, if perhaps he came DOWN BHR he still would have seen flashing lights and activity. IF he had just seen someone running down the road a few minutes earlier and noticed this activity when arriving home he MIGHT put 2 and 2 together. CW is a very smart man, it is hard to believe he would not go talk to LE that night or WAY BEFORE April 29th. 2004, 2 1/2 months later. ALSO how convenient that his info came out about the sighting 4 to 5 miles away just before a planned search of the immediate area of the acc. scene. IMHO

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WHITE WASH wrote:

The information about the Tauton Police
is not quoted it was added by the Author. As you can clearly see Atwood's
actually "QUOTED STATEMENTS".
Now Police Dept have people who assist with Public events. Directing cars ect.
it is possible that Atwood would indeed
have dealings wiht the police in MA.
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WHITE WASH wrote:

Fred Murray's own words to the governor
"reported" not LE when to investigated but Fred himself states REPORTED!
Recently, nearly three (3) months after the accident, a motorist who was driving
west on Route
112 at about 8:00 PM on February 9 reported seeing a young person acting
furtively heading
very fast in an easterly direction at a point about four (4) to five (5) miles away
from the scene
of the crash. The time line and description of the individual’s appearance and
clothing fits
perfectly for this person to have been Maura.
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quija wrote:

Could the Saturn's gearshift have been knocked into neutral as Maura climbed over to get out of the car on the passenger side? Could it have been displaced into neutral while she dealt with the airbag? Maybe as she shifted from F to R to try to get out of the snowbank and failed, she just left the stupid gearshift anywhere?

Beagle wrote:

<quoted text>Correct. The presence of birth control pills is openly and frequently noted by duck/FIT, which is entirely inconsistent with other matters attacked by duck/FIT as private. Tells you something.

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peripeteia wrote:

Law enforcement would not be wasting their meagre resources investigating Maura's disappearance as a criminal case if they had the slightest indication Maura was alive. The crimes unit would have sought the assistance of the FBI if they believe Maura is alive. There is no indication the FBI is involved, and they certainly would be in a person being held captive, or a run away.
The amount of resources and monies spent in Maura's investigation and searches likely approaches more monies than ever spent in a disappearance in New Hampshire's in recorded history.
I perhaps exaggerate slightly, however, my statement likely is not far from the truth.
Law enforcement and the state would not be investing resources on Maura's investigation if there is no evidence of foul play. Government simply doesn't have the money to waste.
Given the FBI are not involved, there is no indication law enforcement believe Maura is alive.
Weeper has advised, finding Maura at this point is a recover operation. I do not believe Weeper would make such a statement lightly and without evidence to say so.
Everyone is entitle to believe what they will, however there is no evidence to indicate Maura is alive.
The fact that so many detectives work to find Maura too is an indication that Maura was a victim of foul play.
It would be glorious if Maura were alive, but there is no indication that law enforcement or the detectives working in this investigation believe Maura is alive.
Please step in if I have spoken out of line if there exists any evidence that detectives and law enforcement believe Maura is alive and living somewhere else, or being held in captivity against her will, or is a victim of loss of memory
or is in hiding.
WE can argue all we want but at the end of the day, it is what it is. Maura's disappearance is a criminal investigation and the cold case squad will be looking into her disappearance when they become operational.
If I offend anyone I apologize, and I wish there was just the faintest hope Maura is alive, but law enforcement has never indicated any glimmer of hope that this is so.

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ScooterD wrote:

I've been reading many references to "FIT" and it has me confused. I recall when PI "Weeper" created this acronym for "Forum Investigative Team". Basically stating there is LE, the group of PI's/retired officers/etc, and the people joining in on the MMM forum. Different people all investigating or looking for Maura. What I don't recall is certain individuals 'assigned' to be a FIT member. The way FIT is presented recently on here it appears like it was an entity created by membership only; like a special task force or something. I always thought of it as 'just people on the 'net looking for Maura'...have I assumed wrong this whole time? I've been looking at all of us on Topix as FIT too. I wasnt on the MMM forum the last year+ it was around so maybe something changed!?!?

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Shack wrote:

Scooter....F orum I nvestigating T eam....
It was NEVER a few...or 10 or 20 or 50 Posters
It was/is all hundreds of Posters on the Maura
Murray Forum(s) An acronym coined by Weeper.
I haven't a clue as to why it irritated some.