paris
Minneapolis, MN
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Snowy White wrote: further, her "map" is produced as if to provide the answers to Maura's disappearance. or maybe i'm just stupid to draw such a conclusion. How interesting, thanks. I haven't looked at that map page for awhile so I think I will go see what you mean.
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paris
Minneapolis, MN
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Thanks Elsewhere for trying to find it. I even checked the achives, the ones you have to pay to read and could not find it. Maybe this should be passed on to law, they have access I'm sure and it might matter or help in some way.
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Joined: Jun 16, 2008
Comments: 514
Södertälje, Sweden
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Hello all,
Just a thought:
Could the white cloth found in the exhaust pipe of the Saturn have been put there in order to warn other vehicles coming up from behind if the Saturn was indeed being towed for some distance?
If so, the white cloth would have been pretty clean as the engine of the Saturn would have been turned off for the duration of the towing.
A possible towing of the Saturn may also tally with the fact (?) that the Saturn was found with the gear change lever in the "neutral" position. Comments? Ideas?
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Joined: Oct 16, 2008
Comments: 471
San Francisco, CA
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paris wrote: Anne, Wowzer, Helena saw a post of mine about the woman who stopped and was going to call AAA for Maura. Maybe it was at another location or less likely the weathered barn location. I only read it and when I brought it into a post Helena spoke up and asked me to find it. She had seen it too, she said, and then never found referrence again. That's all I can say. Maybe an ad in the paper asking if anyone recalls, would help, maybe not.... If you can figure out in which forum that post was made - you can use Grep to find the post you are looking for in a minute or so flat, per each forum. You can also use wget to download the entire forum very quickly. I've documented how to do this at the new forum in the archive thread. If I knew where or how to get to the other two forums I would Wget and Grep them myself and report back. You can also try Google news search - I use that a lot with regard to a family genealogy I am working on. BTW - I have checked NewspaperArchive but there is nothing that recent - I didn't find Maura there.
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Joined: Oct 16, 2008
Comments: 471
San Francisco, CA
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elsewherebriefly wrote: <quoted text> Paris, I remember reading that statement very early on too. What jumps out in my memory (that might not be 100% accurate) was the term 'wrecker' instead of tow truck being used. I dug through archives for about an hour last night and turned up nothing. The term "wrecker" is unique enough that you probably will only come up with positive matches - except these obvious recent posts. It is a matter of downloading the html content of the forums - and using Grep to search the downloaded archive. Its not too large - potentially 1 archive I've made can fit on my keychain USB drive.
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Anne
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Benjamin Franklyne wrote: <quoted text> If you can figure out in which forum that post was made - you can use Grep to find the post you are looking for in a minute or so flat, per each forum. You can also use wget to download the entire forum very quickly. I've documented how to do this at the new forum in the archive thread. If I knew where or how to get to the other two forums I would Wget and Grep them myself and report back. You can also try Google news search - I use that a lot with regard to a family genealogy I am working on. BTW - I have checked NewspaperArchive but there is nothing that recent - I didn't find Maura there. Thank you BF, Still looking, it's there somewhere! LOL! Elsewhere, Yes, I believe the term used was wrecker. Paris, The mention of this good samaritan was in the first mmm forum, if I remember correctly. Do you remember? That would help cut off a few hundred pages, at least half the HAYSTACK! I already have my needle. lol
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White Wash
Lebanon, NH
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1 one cup what was found was a soda bottle. Dawn wrote: <quoted text> WOW - 2nd cup ?
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White Wash
Lebanon, NH
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Sorry meant to say one cup! One soda bottle was retrieved from under the car when the flatbed removed it. Dawn wrote: <quoted text> WOW - 2nd cup ?
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White Wash
Lebanon, NH
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These are business rigs not private and they are pretty high off the road so someone isn't going to see it on the flatbed! Not something I've seen done by any business seen it done with wood on private rigs or logs! If I was hiding ole say in the woods given the hight of the flatbed would give someone to see in the night of the direction of the car was heading. Eurobserver wrote: Hello all, Just a thought: Could the white cloth found in the exhaust pipe of the Saturn have been put there in order to warn other vehicles coming up from behind if the Saturn was indeed being towed for some distance? If so, the white cloth would have been pretty clean as the engine of the Saturn would have been turned off for the duration of the towing. A possible towing of the Saturn may also tally with the fact (?) that the Saturn was found with the gear change lever in the "neutral" position. Comments? Ideas?
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White Wash
Lebanon, NH
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I guess if I called in the plate and it came back to Fred Murray I'd believe that and Atwood only saw a girl how would LE know that Fred wasn't with her? Well if it was a truck guess I'd buy it being left for sleding since it was a car I don't believe Sgt. Smith made that statement! Given a few rounds with Sharon myself I could see where Sgt Smith was cut short on his statement so he probably wasn't allowed to finish it to Sharon! It wasn't until Sgt. Smith finally got a hold of Kathleen that they actually knew that it was indeed Maura and that Fred wasn't to Kathleen's knowledge with her. paris wrote: <quoted text>I agree White Wash. But what about saying that he thought Fred was driving or that someone may have left it there to snowmobile? That on top of looking for Maura never makes sense to me.
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White Wash
Lebanon, NH
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I believe that was a rumor one there is only Westman and Atwood calls on the dispatch log! AAA said they got no call And the 3 caller has never been id or come forward. elsewherebriefly wrote: <quoted text> Paris, I remember reading that statement very early on too. What jumps out in my memory (that might not be 100% accurate) was the term 'wrecker' instead of tow truck being used. I dug through archives for about an hour last night and turned up nothing.
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Lady Gray
Austin, TX
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White Wash wrote: ,<text deleted> According to Chief Williams the FBI meet w/NHSP,MA LE,in Keene NH they where also involved in the interviewing at the campus! I'm sorry I don't believe ANYONE BUT THE FBI choice not to be more involved! <quoted text> With all due respect, as is known, there aren’t many facts known. As I’ve said before, the only reason I continue to read is to keep the facts that ARE known……accurate. Below is a portion of Sharon R’s posting from the old forum. For those who don’t know of Sharon, she is the Mother of Maura’s fiance, Billy. Sharon and her family were extremely involved for quite awhile in Maura’s disappearance. This is a posting of her’s regarding FBI involvement: Sharon: The FBI was not EVER involved in Maura’s case as an investigative body: simply put, they were FINALLY asked to interview Maura’s family and friends in Hanson…the UMass Police interviewed the campus friends, professors, etc…..and I am convinced the NH SP invited the FBI to do the interviews because of us reporting that the FBI had offered their help as soon as they were invited…if you do a media search, you will find articles stating that Scarinza announced that the FBI were invited…again, in my humble opinion, that announcement was to take off the heat -- also, Scarinza, at the same time, told Fred that the FBI was invited in, yet while Fred was driving back from Troop F barracks, the director of the regional FBI called and spoke to me, leaving the message that we were no longer to pursue them in Maura’s case…that the case was being managed by NH SP and that was the end of the matter until such time the NH SP chose otherwise. The director made it clear to me that his call was at the request of NH SP.
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Dawn
Omaha, NE
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White Wash wrote: Sorry meant to say one cup! One soda bottle was retrieved from under the car when the flatbed removed it. <quoted text> so 1 soda bottle with wine AND an ADDITIONAL CUP with wine - making it two drinking ??
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White Wash
Lebanon, NH
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With all due respect since when is questioning witnesses and family not nvolved in Maura’s case as an investigative body? The bottom line the FACT IS THE FBI was INVOVLED RATHER IT WAS AS SHARON/FRED OR THE WORLD WANTED they where involved! Like or not NOBODY TELLS THE FBI to go away! I suggest you look at all the cases the FBI is involved in to you think those LE agencies turned them away? You of all people should know when the FBI comes knocking you don't close the door going no thanks! Lady Gray wrote: <quoted text> With all due respect, as is known, there aren’t many facts known. As I’ve said before, the only reason I continue to read is to keep the facts that ARE known……accurate. Below is a portion of Sharon R’s posting from the old forum. For those who don’t know of Sharon, she is the Mother of Maura’s fiance, Billy. Sharon and her family were extremely involved for quite awhile in Maura’s disappearance. This is a posting of her’s regarding FBI involvement: Sharon: The FBI was not EVER involved in Maura’s case as an investigative body: simply put, they were FINALLY asked to interview Maura’s family and friends in Hanson…the UMass Police interviewed the campus friends, professors, etc…..and I am convinced the NH SP invited the FBI to do the interviews because of us reporting that the FBI had offered their help as soon as they were invited…if you do a media search, you will find articles stating that Scarinza announced that the FBI were invited…again, in my humble opinion, that announcement was to take off the heat -- also, Scarinza, at the same time, told Fred that the FBI was invited in, yet while Fred was driving back from Troop F barracks, the director of the regional FBI called and spoke to me, leaving the message that we were no longer to pursue them in Maura’s case…that the case was being managed by NH SP and that was the end of the matter until such time the NH SP chose otherwise. The director made it clear to me that his call was at the request of NH SP.
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White Wash
Lebanon, NH
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Scarinza announced that the FBI were invited…again, in my humble opinion No respect but again your HUMBLE opinion is nothing more than JAB AT LE to take the heat off? LOL how about reporting it as it is? How about you check some dates and get your HUMBLE OPINION actually informed correctly! I think your wording STATES EXACTLY how it occurs the FAMILY DEMANDS THROWING ALL UNDER THE MEDIA BUS and LE AND ALL SNAP TOO for the wishes! Is that it nobody does anything but to take the HEAT off? Lady Gray wrote: <quoted text> With all due respect, as is known, there aren’t many facts known. As I’ve said before, the only reason I continue to read is to keep the facts that ARE known……accurate. Below is a portion of Sharon R’s posting from the old forum. For those who don’t know of Sharon, she is the Mother of Maura’s fiance, Billy. Sharon and her family were extremely involved for quite awhile in Maura’s disappearance. This is a posting of her’s regarding FBI involvement: Sharon: The FBI was not EVER involved in Maura’s case as an investigative body: simply put, they were FINALLY asked to interview Maura’s family and friends in Hanson…the UMass Police interviewed the campus friends, professors, etc…..and I am convinced the NH SP invited the FBI to do the interviews because of us reporting that the FBI had offered their help as soon as they were invited…if you do a media search, you will find articles stating that Scarinza announced that the FBI were invited…again, in my humble opinion, that announcement was to take off the heat -- also, Scarinza, at the same time, told Fred that the FBI was invited in, yet while Fred was driving back from Troop F barracks, the director of the regional FBI called and spoke to me, leaving the message that we were no longer to pursue them in Maura’s case…that the case was being managed by NH SP and that was the end of the matter until such time the NH SP chose otherwise. The director made it clear to me that his call was at the request of NH SP.
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White Wash
Lebanon, NH
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No it's means there was a cup inside the car and a bottle found outside belonging to the same person! Unless you know something about the DNA of them? I do believe LE stated the bottle had a strong smell of acohol not wine. Dawn wrote: <quoted text> so 1 soda bottle with wine AND an ADDITIONAL CUP with wine - making it two drinking ??
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White Wash
Lebanon, NH
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With repect just want to make clear the facts you are stating are KNOWN BY THE FAMILY which does not make them FACTS either it's just what you've been told! I find it funny in your humble opinion you can't even admit that having the FBI involved was actually good investigating never credit just the same old NEGATIVE NEGATIVE NEGATIVE! In your humble opinion what did LE or anyone in this area do right for you or the family??? Lady Gray wrote: <quoted text> With all due respect, as is known, there aren’t many facts known. As I’ve said before, the only reason I continue to read is to keep the facts that ARE known……accurate. Below is a portion of Sharon R’s posting from the old forum. For those who don’t know of Sharon, she is the Mother of Maura’s fiance, Billy. Sharon and her family were extremely involved for quite awhile in Maura’s disappearance. This is a posting of her’s regarding FBI involvement: Sharon: The FBI was not EVER involved in Maura’s case as an investigative body: simply put, they were FINALLY asked to interview Maura’s family and friends in Hanson…the UMass Police interviewed the campus friends, professors, etc…..and I am convinced the NH SP invited the FBI to do the interviews because of us reporting that the FBI had offered their help as soon as they were invited…if you do a media search, you will find articles stating that Scarinza announced that the FBI were invited…again, in my humble opinion, that announcement was to take off the heat -- also, Scarinza, at the same time, told Fred that the FBI was invited in, yet while Fred was driving back from Troop F barracks, the director of the regional FBI called and spoke to me, leaving the message that we were no longer to pursue them in Maura’s case…that the case was being managed by NH SP and that was the end of the matter until such time the NH SP chose otherwise. The director made it clear to me that his call was at the request of NH SP.
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Dawn
Omaha, NE
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I don't know about DNA - however - how could you come to the absolute conclusion - they are from the same person unless you HAD DNA and finger prints. If there was a bottle and a cup - that clearly suggests there were more than one occupant of the saturn.
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White Wash
Lebanon, NH
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I would also like to point out that Sharon is emotionally involved making her HUMBLE OPINION more PERSONAL and not always objective! Just would like to point out that people may not be so willing to be totally blunt with someone emotionally involved. Lady Gray wrote: <quoted text> With all due respect, as is known, there aren’t many facts known. As I’ve said before, the only reason I continue to read is to keep the facts that ARE known……accurate. Below is a portion of Sharon R’s posting from the old forum. For those who don’t know of Sharon, she is the Mother of Maura’s fiance, Billy. Sharon and her family were extremely involved for quite awhile in Maura’s disappearance. This is a posting of her’s regarding FBI involvement: Sharon: The FBI was not EVER involved in Maura’s case as an investigative body: simply put, they were FINALLY asked to interview Maura’s family and friends in Hanson…the UMass Police interviewed the campus friends, professors, etc…..and I am convinced the NH SP invited the FBI to do the interviews because of us reporting that the FBI had offered their help as soon as they were invited…if you do a media search, you will find articles stating that Scarinza announced that the FBI were invited…again, in my humble opinion, that announcement was to take off the heat -- also, Scarinza, at the same time, told Fred that the FBI was invited in, yet while Fred was driving back from Troop F barracks, the director of the regional FBI called and spoke to me, leaving the message that we were no longer to pursue them in Maura’s case…that the case was being managed by NH SP and that was the end of the matter until such time the NH SP chose otherwise. The director made it clear to me that his call was at the request of NH SP.
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White Wash
Lebanon, NH
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Lady Gray some where there is information stating that one of the person involved with the FBI was a personal friend of the a family member! AM I the only person who sees this to be conflict of interest when it comes to investigating? But it's what took the HEAT OFF and WHAT THE FAMILY WANTED so that would ok! Right? Lady Gray wrote: <quoted text> With all due respect, as is known, there aren’t many facts known. As I’ve said before, the only reason I continue to read is to keep the facts that ARE known……accurate. Below is a portion of Sharon R’s posting from the old forum. For those who don’t know of Sharon, she is the Mother of Maura’s fiance, Billy. Sharon and her family were extremely involved for quite awhile in Maura’s disappearance. This is a posting of her’s regarding FBI involvement: Sharon: The FBI was not EVER involved in Maura’s case as an investigative body: simply put, they were FINALLY asked to interview Maura’s family and friends in Hanson…the UMass Police interviewed the campus friends, professors, etc…..and I am convinced the NH SP invited the FBI to do the interviews because of us reporting that the FBI had offered their help as soon as they were invited…if you do a media search, you will find articles stating that Scarinza announced that the FBI were invited…again, in my humble opinion, that announcement was to take off the heat -- also, Scarinza, at the same time, told Fred that the FBI was invited in, yet while Fred was driving back from Troop F barracks, the director of the regional FBI called and spoke to me, leaving the message that we were no longer to pursue them in Maura’s case…that the case was being managed by NH SP and that was the end of the matter until such time the NH SP chose otherwise. The director made it clear to me that his call was at the request of NH SP.
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