Where is MAURA MURRAY

Snowy White wrote:

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thank you for your personal and kind reply, paris...
all we have here are 'words' without the body language and facial expressions to fully communicate on a forum.
my take on the BC pills was some surprise at the focus and scrutiny, which then dovetailed with Beagle's often discussed 'Birthright' connection.
as you explain it, people were trying to rule out the possibility of abortion...which i still believe to be far-fetched, given today's access and availability of choice.
anyway, i agree....that Maura was surely capable of calling it quits and flipping the bird to whomever was making academic or social demands of her, regardless of her previous compliance and achievements.
indeed, there must have been a compelling reason for her to travel to NH.

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Which is interesting, because I seem to have been included on that list, and (1) I didn't even know about Maura until either VERY late 2005 (ie November or December) or 2006, so that would exclude me, and (2) I have never bashed someone because of their residence in or out of NH. Which would also exclude me.
For further clarification, see my previous post.
So what I'm now learning, is that "FIT" as it stands now, is actually a term coined BY THE LOCAL PEOPLE for the most part, and also by some NOT in the direct area (because there are some people from MA as well) to describe people with whom they don't agree, and/or people with whom they have an issue, and/or people they believe have said unkind things about locals.
Well, then, cross me off your little list. Disagree with me all you like, but I've not spoken unkindly about the people of Haverhill. I have spoken unkindly on occasion to people FROM Haverhill, which I regret and believe we have resolved (I am thinking of times when WW and I get irritated by each other) but it wasn't her location that I had a problem with. I've also gotten pissed off at Whiston, who lives in Connecticut, and miffed with Dawn, who lives in ..... Dawn, have you mentioned where you lived specifically?....and....you get the picture.
Overall, I think it's VERY telling that there is a small band of people who now use the term "FIT" to label, exclude, insult, and bash another specific group of people with whom they seem to have an issue--and that this issue is the exact same one they accuse that other group of people of doing.
I haven't taken a psychology class in more than 20 years (yikes I'm getting old) but I find that VERY interesting indeed. What is it they say about attacking in others that which we dislike about ourselves?

Dawn wrote:

This is right after they talk to Fred. I wonder WHY there is blanks - and time lapses. It appears the system just types in order and does not have spaces between days or times - except on these pages. The logs are full of posts - simple things like a gun permit etc..

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Dawn wrote:

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What does this mean?? who is protesting too much and about what? the emails ?? i don't get it.. sorry..
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*The super-strong assertions on MMM that the note found in Maura's dorm room was actually email(s) TO Billy SOUNDS LIKE SOMEONE PROTESTING TOO MUCH.

Beagle wrote:

<quoted text>The time lags and blanks are irrelevant. Seems to be standard LE procedure in many cases like this, which was pointed out some time back.

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Wowzer wrote:

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Just so you don't keep asking I'll answer and say I don't know Dawn. WHy don't you ask them since you seem to know that there is indeed a town busybody.I evidently don't know them.

quija wrote:

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On the old forum, IIRC, Scarenza and other LE were reported to have said that "Maura left a note behind, in her dorm room". He implied that this, along with other circumstantial evidence "proved" Maura was suicidal. Somehow, early on, LE seemed to arrive at the conclusion that Maura was suicidal and they just added that "note" to the list. It is documented that Fred called Cecil Smith around dinnertime Tuesday, Feb. 10, obviously frantic. He insisted he had information he needed to impart to Cecil. He later told Cecil that Maura was (paraphrased) depressed, suicidal, and at risk.
Later Fred began to talk about a perp harming her.
After Scarenza in a press release (IIRC) mentioned a "note left", implying a suicide note, the tight-knit-MMM group refuted for years that there ever WAS a suicide note, just some emails FROM Billy. Every time a new poster came aboard and asked about this, they forcefully explained that MAURA DID NOT LEAVE A NOTE. Personally, I don't know how the family would know this --- only the first investigator or person in the dorm room would know it. Unless they were certain it was them. But it was the vehemence of denial of a suicide note that just hit me --- "Methinks thou doth protest too much."
Still, Dawn, anything could have happened with Maura.... that never seems to change.

Suzanne wrote:

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ATTN: SNOWY WHITE - Ya see what I mean ?????

Dawn wrote:

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This puzzles me too.......... If it wasn't for the 'fake excuse' and room packed up - I would say random event. So many ramdom events in a 24 hour period. Makes you think. Also could be someone from amherst - who staged it to look this way- and we know she might not have even been NH since we don't know where the atm video is from.
someone somewhere knows something

Mason wrote:

WW said,
"Like or not NOBODY TELLS THE FBI to go away!"
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Your statement is correct, but incomplete.
The FBI will not officially involve itself in an investigation unless it concludes there is probable cause to believe that a federal crime was committed. If it decides there is probable cause, it may still defer to local law enforcement depending on the seriousness of the crime and its allocation of available resources. If it decides to get involved, it will assume the lead role in the investigation and it will define the role to be played by the state agency, if any.
The FBI is a federal law enforcement agency and it has no legal authority to investigate violations of state laws.
No law prohibits the FBI from assisting a state law enforcement agency investigating a violation of state law, if that agency has formally requested its assistance. Its authority to investigate always will be limited to doing whatever the state agency has asked it to do and the state agency can withdraw or revoke its request for assistance at any time.
Apparently, NHSP limited the FBI's role to interviewing members of the Murray family, which would have been a simple task of short duration.
Based on my review of a few cases that have been discussed here (Dow and the tent fire cases), I have a very low opinion of Troop F's professionalism and investigatory expertise. It probably realizes and resents the FBI's lack of respect for it and intentionally limited the FBI's role to a simple and rather menial task as a way of signaling its resentment of the FBI's attitude.

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quija wrote:

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This is unedited/unproofed...
On the old forum, IIRC, Scarenza and other LE were reported to have said that "Maura left a note behind, in her dorm room". He implied that this, along with other circumstantial evidence "proved" Maura was suicidal. Somehow, early on, LE seemed to arrive at the conclusion that Maura was suicidal and they just added that "note" to the list. It is documented that Fred called Cecil Smith around dinnertime Tuesday, Feb. 10, obviously frantic. He insisted he had information he needed to impart to Cecil. He later told Cecil that Maura was (paraphrased) depressed, suicidal, and at risk.
Later Fred began to talk about a perp harming her.
After Scarenza in a press release (IIRC) mentioned a "note left", implying a suicide note, the tight-knit-MMM group refuted for years that there ever WAS a suicide note, just some emails FROM Billy. Every time a new poster came aboard and asked about this, they forcefully explained that MAURA DID NOT LEAVE A NOTE. Personally, I don't know how the family would know this --- only the first investigator or person in the dorm room would know it. Unless they were certain it was them. But it was the vehemence of denial of a suicide note that just hit me --- "Methinks thou doth protest too much."
Still, Dawn, anything could have happened with Maura.... that never seems to change.

Dawn wrote:

Oh Many One
this ones for you... black market organ trade going strong in egypt.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29740869/

Snowy White wrote:

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i'm here, Suzanne. i was going to post in response that i knew perfectly well what you meant...but i didn't have the energy.

Snowy White wrote:

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Huh? I don't get it?! We loathe the town's busybody...regard her as rather unwell. Privacy is valued. The New England culture is notoriously unfriendly until trust is established...which can take many years. It's highly offensive for dogs and humans to trespass. People fuss and argue about property boundaries, and will tear down rock walls as a retaliatory statement. LOL
Now, who are we looking for to step forward? ;-)

Wowzer wrote:

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Well that would certainly explain the name calling and disgusting things that have spewed out of her toward the NH residents over the years.

Suzanne wrote:

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Jeez Dawn, I read this and immediately got an image in my head of all these organs (the musical instrument) painted a nice shiny black colour being actively traded in Egypt. Miscommunication - the hallmark of the human species.

Snowy White wrote:

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We do. More than less. We live in a town of approx. 5,000, like so many towns in MA, where there is a reasonable expectation and delivery of community, safety and lifestyle. Zoning assures some homogeneity, which also translates into communities of likeminded people.
Living and working in major cities has been no less disappointing.
I don't dwell on crime.