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Suzanne
Stoughton, MA
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Lady Gray wrote: <quoted text>
And, one more thing, I was thinking this recently but have held off on posting it.
But I will tell you, WW, that you ran off people from MMM. You are no angel with your barbed tongue.
You would send nasty PM's to people "behind the scenes" and I had several people tell me that you are the reason they left. Before the board was taken down, we were trying to figure out what the discontent was and discovered it was you. Behind the scenes with PM's.
You did the same thing that you say Shack did......except it was in the different direction. You are certainly no better, if not worse in some aspects, than others that you accuse.
You shouldn't live in a glass house....... You were the most nasty of all on MMM. Nasty, harsh, cruel, judgemental.
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Suzanne
Stoughton, MA
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Lady Gray wrote: <quoted text>
Do you read as well as you write? Read Sharon's quote more closely.......
It was in Sharon's HUMBLE OPINION not MINE!!!
How does it FEEL! To have it COME BACK at cha?!
Can you TAKE IT as well as you CAN GIVE IT!!
You are as GUILTY OF SLAMMING people on this forum as you accuse people of SLAMMING ON MMM!!!
What MAKES you any BETTER than anyone else??? Nothing makes you any BETTER. Phfftt!!!!!!!! This is exactly what you said and did on MMM. You are a very angry, hateful person.
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Dawn
Omaha, NE
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********** cover your eyes locals********** This DOES NOT put Gov Lynch or the NHSP in a good light at all. This is what Mason was talking about. " good ole boy network" http://www.scribd.com/doc/5067676/Governor-Ly...
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Beagle
Amherst, MA
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Snowy White wrote: <quoted text>
We do. More than less. We live in a town of approx. 5,000, like so many towns in MA, where there is a reasonable expectation and delivery of community, safety and lifestyle. Zoning assures some homogeneity, which also translates into communities of likeminded people.
Living and working in major cities has been no less disappointing.
I don't dwell on crime. Why should you dwell on crime? It's not an issue for you because you've zoned it out. Some don't have that luxury.
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Dawn
Omaha, NE
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Beagle wrote: <quoted text>So would a belief in eugenics. I had to look one up. That is brilliant- brought up the "eggs" in a new way.
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Mason
Paducah, KY
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Mason wrote: WW said,
"Like or not NOBODY TELLS THE FBI to go away!"
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Your statement is correct, but incomplete.
The FBI will not officially involve itself in an investigation unless it concludes there is probable cause to believe that a federal crime was committed. If it decides there is probable cause, it may still defer to local law enforcement depending on the seriousness of the crime and its allocation of available resources. If it decides to get involved, it will assume the lead role in the investigation and it will define the role to be played by the state agency, if any.
The FBI is a federal law enforcement agency and it has no legal authority to investigate violations of state laws.
No law prohibits the FBI from assisting a state law enforcement agency investigating a violation of state law, if that agency has formally requested its assistance. Its authority to investigate always will be limited to doing whatever the state agency has asked it to do and the state agency can withdraw or revoke its request for assistance at any time.
Apparently, NHSP limited the FBI's role to interviewing members of the Murray family, which would have been a simple task of short duration.
Based on my review of a few cases that have been discussed here (Dow and the tent fire cases), I have a very low opinion of Troop F's professionalism and investigatory expertise. It probably realizes and resents the FBI's lack of respect for it and intentionally limited the FBI's role to a simple and rather menial task as a way of signaling its resentment of the FBI's attitude. I need to amend my earlier post. I believe NHSP was in charge of the overall investigation and it requested assistance from UMass police and possibly Amherst PD. I'm not certain if one of the MA law enforcement agencies or the NHSP accepted the FBI's offer to assist and assigned it to interview members of the Murray family and Maura's friends in Hanson. The FBI's role was rather limited, although there is a possibility that it may have offered the assistance of the FBI Crime Lab to test evidence and the NHSP may have accepted such an offer. I know the Connecticut Crime Lab has a good reputation, but I don't know anything about the competence of the NH Crime Lab and the state of its equipment.
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Suzanne
Stoughton, MA
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Lady Gray wrote: <quoted text>
Do you read as well as you write? Read Sharon's quote more closely.......
It was in Sharon's HUMBLE OPINION not MINE!!!
How does it FEEL! To have it COME BACK at cha?!
Can you TAKE IT as well as you CAN GIVE IT!!
You are as GUILTY OF SLAMMING people on this forum as you accuse people of SLAMMING ON MMM!!!
What MAKES you any BETTER than anyone else??? Nothing makes you any BETTER. Phfftt!!!!!!!! This response to WW is so unjustified and so childish. I am thankful we have her here for our much needed local perspective.
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Beagle
Amherst, MA
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FireCat wrote: <quoted text>
That posted out of order. What I was responding to, what I found interesting, was all the weird, missing stuff on the police log. Not what my post immediately followed. Sorry I didn't quote....my computer's timestamp must have a problem, because frequently in the past couple of weeks, people have posted AFTER me and it's showed up BEFORE my post.
Sorry if that confused you thoroughly. What I found interesting, again, was the weirdness in the sheriff's log.
Stupid computers..... Nothing weird at all. Done frequently in cases like this. Example was provided back a while.
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Suzanne
Stoughton, MA
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SW read post # 17066 Cryptic, n'est-ce pas?
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Dawn
Omaha, NE
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Beagle wrote: <quoted text>Why should you dwell on crime? It's not an issue for you because you've zoned it out. Some don't have that luxury. True - unless you never leave your home. Of course the affluent like to travel......... merci
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paris
Minneapolis, MN
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Beagle:
David Eliot Marks had strange things going on......will you please tell something more about this and how it could tie in with Maura? Should I go join up as paris on the forum so you can pm me? Or can you you elaborate? If not, I understand but you have my attention.
I was also wondering if you thought that there are opportunists out there using missing persons for there own cause?
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Beagle
Amherst, MA
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Anne wrote: .<quoted text>
Paris, help me out here..I believe someone stopped and asked her if they could call a wrecker for her..and that was why she said she already had called AAA..to sbd. I hadn't given it much thought until WW confirmed there were 2 wreckers at the scene. I thought it was discussed in the first mmm forum but maybe I read it in a paper. White Wash, do you remember this mentioned? Meaning the AAA tow truck was not the LE duty tow truck? If no cell service, then how'd the call to AAA go through? There is a medium chance that a person who worked next to a gallery in MA knows or at least knows of one of the neighbors. I have seen their names mentioned in the same paragraph by someone who knew them both.
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Beagle
Amherst, MA
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White Wash wrote: If there where cases being worked on that information has been removed!
You will not find a complete copy of the whole
log that has been released to the public!
<quoted text> Correct.
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Suzanne
Stoughton, MA
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quija wrote: <quoted text>
It is documented that Fred called Cecil Smith around dinnertime Tuesday, Feb. 10, obviously frantic. He insisted he had information he needed to impart to Cecil. He later told Cecil that Maura was (paraphrased) depressed, suicidal, and at risk. And Fred used the phrase 'squaw walk' to NHLE regarding what may have happened to Maura.
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paris
Minneapolis, MN
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Dawn wrote: <quoted text>
Paris - here is the post where the other CUP is mentioned.......... WOW White Wash, please help. Was there a cup or was there not? I thought you were referring to the beer can/bottle found in the car and the soda bottle found outside the car.
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paris
Minneapolis, MN
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I'm going to guess that someone went home and called for a tow from their home phone then. It would go something like this:
There's a woman who just slid off the road, I stopped and told her I'd call for a tow. Maybe Maura got it going again and flatbed #2 was looking for her car. But this is thinking out, not trying to go into the 2 accident theory
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Beagle
Amherst, MA
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WTF-the-original wrote: <quoted text>
I would think that this is no brainer. Brianna and Maura led entirely different lifestyles. Brianna was likely abducted/murdered by acquaintances. She knew and probably hung around with the person(s) that did her harm. She was certainly at higher risk because of the people she associated with. Maura would have been in the lowest of risk categories with no known affiliation with that type of element so it is far more likely a stranger abduction or runaway or suicide. At least that is my opinion.
Bill 1. Why are you so sure she had no known - KNOWN - affiliation with "that type of element?" 2. Why are you so sure Maura Murray was "low risk?" 3. HOW do you know in what WAY Maura was known to certain people in the Amherst area? Maura Murray may have appeared to be in the lowest risk category, but that ain't necessarily so. Maura was a student there for 2-3 semesters? That's plenty of time to attract the wrong kind of people. Even if they have plenty of money, nice houses, real estate holdings, etc. If Maura Murray had something in common with David Eliot Marks (b. 2/23/1952), then it's something well worth looking into.
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Mason
Paducah, KY
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I posted my first message regarding Maura's case on 11/29/2008.
Since then, I have been plugged in and I think I've read every subsequent post.
I believe everyone in his or her own way is seriously trying to figure out what happened to Maura. I do not believe anyone is deliberately trying to sabotage that effort, although conflicting views often are expressed and some folks have agendas. Some folks, for example, defend the so-called locals and the efforts of HPD and NHSP. Other folks are trying to prevent theories from morphing into accepted facts. Still others are vigilantly guarding the Murray's privacy and Maura's reputation. Some believe the answer will be found in Haverhill while others believe it will be found in Amherst.
The point is that each of these viewpoints is legitimate and tend to balance the discussion and representatives of each view at times tend to get a little carried away, myself included.
I don't see any legitimate basis to support a belief that advocates of one view or another specifically intend to conceal the truth by derailing discussion.
Therefore, I recommend we give people the benefit of doubt. If we couple that with a more respectful response that does not demonize opposing views, I think we can make more progress.
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Suzanne
Stoughton, MA
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Dawn wrote: <quoted text>
You must have missed the "egg" discussion. Look back a few weeks - Beagle got us all discussing "eggs". That Maura and Molly were abducted for their eggs. I do think this does happen. I just don't think it happened in this case. It is interesting though. Yeah, I understand now, it's just kinda hilarious that I am sitting here thinking of musical instruments in Egpyt. And I am still thinking of orange peels if there was one thing I knew for a definite fact it is that FW was the orange peeler, now it turns out not even that is true. There's a lesson here I think.
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Beagle
Amherst, MA
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WTF-the-original wrote: <quoted text>
I would think that this is no brainer. Brianna and Maura led entirely different lifestyles. Brianna was likely abducted/murdered by acquaintances. She knew and probably hung around with the person(s) that did her harm. She was certainly at higher risk because of the people she associated with. Maura would have been in the lowest of risk categories with no known affiliation with that type of element so it is far more likely a stranger abduction or runaway or suicide. At least that is my opinion.
Bill Yes, that's your opinion. But there is good reason to believe that the "risk" factor in Maura's life was a bit higher than some want to believe.
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