Where is MAURA MURRAY

Mason wrote:

given the textbooks that were in the Saturn, unless they were there before she decided to leave and she decided against carrying them back to her room before she left.

Her dorm room? In Kennedy? In SW? You think that's where she lived?

There is a connection between the death of David Eliot Marks and Maura Murray. Even if it's a somewhat indirect connection, it's totally supported by government documents. If Maura Murray was murdered in or near Amherst, then it's very possible that Marks died nearby.

Pay close attention to Vitamin E Christians.

Did Maura Murray - or someone she knew - have any connection to the Castaway or Anthony's?

WHITE WASH wrote:

Paris I am deeply sorry about your loss
not having closure was very difficult for me.
So I understand the Murrays wants and everyone deserves that regardless how
they arrive at that point.
I just believe there is a better way
to arrive at that point.
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I just now saw this and wanted to thank you. I have a cute goose story for all and then it's good-night.
One day I heard one of the neighbors 70+ year old geese just a squawking like mad because of a dog chasing it, all the way over here. I ran out and saved the goose, it ran off but then stopped about 1/4 block away. It turned to me and just looked at me a minute. Then it walked all the way to the fence and quacked a few quacks of gratitude.......turned around, and went home. It was so sweet. I wish we never had conflict here, but it's good to see genuine thoughtfulness and caring when we do.

I think there is someone - not me - who might be willing to talk about vroom vroom.

Snowy White wrote:

<quoted text>i have no obligation to prove anything to you, and find your theories to be bizarre and violent.

Bizarre and violent? You mean like what might have happened to Maura Murray?

PARIS wrote:

<quoted text>LETS"S LOOK AT THIS:(MY COMMENTS WILL ALL BE IN CAPS)
Haverhill Police Chief Jeff Williams states in the article that an eyewitness to the crash described Murray as unable to stand on her own and slurring her speech. Williams also quotes the eyewitness as saying Murray “begged me not to call police.”(MAURA WAS SAID TO HAVE TOLD HIM SOMEWHAT FLATLY THAT SHE'D ALREADY CALLED AAA AND BUTCH WALKED AWAY MUTTERING TO THE EFFECT THAT HE KNEW THAT WAS A LIE, NO CELL RECEPTION. NOTICE HOW IT SAYS HERE THAT BUTCH WALKED BACK TO HIS HOME. BAD REPORTING OR PART OF WHAT HE SAID EARLY ON, WHICH WAS THAT HE RAN BACK DOWN THERE, AND I TOOK THAT AS 2 TRIPS. WHAT STANDS OUT TO ME IS THAT SOMEONE WAS SEEN WALKING AROUND THE CAR. IF MAURA WAS UNABLE TO STAND ON HER OWN, WHAT KICKED IN? I MEAN, I KEEP WONDERING IF THERE WAS ANYONE ELSE THERE. IF BUTCH WAS THE ONLY WITNESS TO THE ACTUAL 'CRASH', THEN HOW CAN WE SAY THE ORANGE PEELING COUPLE (JM AND VM) DIDN'T SEE SOMETHING SOONER, OR HECK SOMETHING LATER? THEY COULDN'T SEE MAURA AT THE CAR ONCE BUTCH LEFT. WAS THAT THE SECOND TIME HE WAS THERE...IF WHAT HE SAID AND WHAT 'S REPORTED HERE IS TRUE? NOTICE HOW IT SAY'S WITNESSES AT THE SCENE......WHAT WITNESSES AT THE SCENE? THAT IMPLIES MORE THAN ONE PERSON, AND AT THE CAR TO BOOT.
In the Haverhill police’s initial press release, a few days after the crash, they describe “witnesses at the scene” who reported a single female “impaired due to alcohol consumption.”
In the days that followed, it became apparent that the only eyewitness to the crash was Butch Atwood, a local school bus driver who lives about 100 feet away from where Murray crashed. Atwood has denied saying he believe Murray was intoxicated, to several media outlets as well as the Express when he was contacted for last summer’s “Maura Murray is Missing” series.{sidebar id=1}
Atwood said Murray was having difficulty getting out of the car because the door was stuck against a snow bank. When he asked if she wanted him to call police, Murray said not to bother, as she had already called AAA. Although Atwood doubted she could have gotten through to AAA, he advised her to put on her hazard lights to avoid being struck by oncoming cars and walked the 100 feet or so back to his home.(AND HERE I'D LIKE TO REMIND ONE AND ALL THAT THE LIGHTS WERE ALREADY NOTED TO BE ON BY AT LEAST 4 PEOPLE IN 2 SEPARATE HOUSES.

Very good points. I've lost my thinking cap here lately but I can see you have yours on. Excellent.

paris wrote:

I'm not accusing anyone of anything by the way. I'm just wonder too how this went down and in what order.
Looking4amoose, yes, it could have been set up. It's just debatable to me if Maura would up and leave, and/or if she had help.

but, either she did up and leave the amhers area for some reason or she disappeared in Amherst.

seven (7!!) wild turkeys wandered into the yard at and were surrounding the birdfeeder at 6:45 this morning.

they were tresspassing, and they are unattractive, but we are compassionate people...we kept the dogs indoors, while we took pictures. they were probably involved in 'searching'.

you never know which species will invade.
i must go to town hall today to update the dog registrations, and report this violation of our strict zoning laws.

owls are most welcome, the coyotes are less welcome and turkeys are tolerated....to a point. they are known to be, at least 'sterotypically' so, aggressive.

i could not have made this up.

paris:

I love your ability to visualize words into actions, it is a rare gift, and as we and others who can do this can forthright say, that from the material that was printed in the press regarding what the witnesses viewed do not make any sense at all as to what happened at the accident scene.

The chronology of events do not jive when the witnesses statements are taken apart moment by moment of what happened at the accident scene.

You are exactly in saying that the events need to be placed in order, at to who saw what when. There were statements made by the SBD that appear that he came back to the scene, as he gave five different versions of what he did after the accident. The fact that he was not at home or did not come to the phone when Haverhill called back, at 1943, speaks volumes. Where was he. He obviously knew the girl was gone, as his wife said no idea where the girl is, pharaphrased. Indeed much of this might be related to bad reporting. But we do not know exactly the details of what the witnesses saw and the chronology of events. I have always contended that if we could just piece the events together at the scene of the accident we might get a clearer picture of what happened. An actual reconstruction of events of the scene of the accident would yeild volumes of information, such as the acuity of eyesight, and what might be viewed from the each vantage point of the witnesses, and what was not in view at the accident sight. Heck, we do not know even what side of the road the accident occured on, as the report of Faith and the report of Smith differ, Faith says the car came to rest in the Westbound lane (ditch) in her report to 911, Smith indicates the Eastbound lane. the Marriotts state that the car backed up. Who states the accident victim was not seen after the school bus driver left. Why was Maura's head buried in the airbag, why is there different reports of the emergency lights flashing? If Maura was staggering about the car, surely the Marrott's saw this and the Westman's, at least one of the Westman's if not Faith, as she states she stopped watching after the school bus driver came along.

By going back to the beginning, and word by word and moment by moment piece together what occured and when at the scene of the accident might lead us to the answers, irrespective of what compelled Maura to take such a journey. Piecing together what happened at the Weatherbarn may give us some indication where she went.

The information on the Red Truck is compelling, did the witnesses see the Red Truck go by, if it is the same truck as RO witnesses, the truck had to pass the accident scene, and given RO timeline at the beginning to the newspaper, the truck passed before the police came along, whether the accident had yet occured is not known, however if it had then likely one of the witnesses saw the truck. In order to get to BRadley hill road the truck had to pass the Weatherbarn, at some point?

It would be benefical to get a proper reconstruction of events with all the data available at present, as in the past the one thing we were not aware of was a Red Truck parked on Bradley Hill Road. This is the only new piece of information that I am aware of that was not been calculated into the misconstrewed information at the scene of the accident, but this in itself might open up a wide range of possibilities.

hope this makes sense...

To all a happy belated St. Paddy's Day, I played Without You, for Maura by El Divo, it is to the music the music of Danny Boy. May Maura not have to wait another passing of St. Paddy's Day until she is found.

MASON SAID:
If my analysis is correct, and I'm confident that it is, what's up with the 75% comment?
Like I said, it's bullshit, or spin, if you prefer. The statement was made in the context of Fred Murray's lawsuit and the person who made the statement knew that his legal justification for refusing to disclose information was much stronger if he characterized the case as an ongoing criminal investigation instead of a missing person investigation. I don't think he was prepared to answer questions regarding the probability of indicting someone and how soon that might happen.
He was quick and smart enough on his feet to avoid saying 50% because he knew the probable cause standard to arrest and charge someone requires a reasonable belief that it's more probable than not that a crime has been committed and the person arrested or charged is responsible. He managed to avoid ensnaring himself in the thorny thicket that a 50% answer would have placed him.
What's midway between 50% and 100%? Doesn't 75% indicate we're sort of certain we have a homicide, but we aren't sure yet. We're working on it and we have reason to be optimistic that we're making progress, but we don't really know for sure.
If the answer had been 90%, people would have raised their expectations that an indictment would be forthcoming soon and they might have accused him of lying when it didn't.
75% was low enough to avoid raising expectations yet high enough to satisfy the Supreme Court that there was a sufficient basis to treat the case as an ongoing criminal investigation rather than a missing person case.
The answer was perfect, even though off the cuff and technically meaningless.
Accept it for what it was -- a dodge to avoid being pinned down and keep your current options available.

I SAY:
THIS WAS FASCINATING TO READ. YOUR ANALYSIS WAS AS PERFECT AS THE CHOICE OF "75%"!!!

Does anyone have more details (or could repeat the details) regarding the footprints in the back (?) of JM's yard? I know where the scent trail went, and where we were told it didn't go (JM's yard), but I wonder how we could twist the facts (haha) to consider that Maura might have walked up a plowed or shoveled path to the M's house and periodically she or someone else went out the back to try to peak around (out of sight) to see what was going on at the accident site?

Were the M's home that night or not?

Did they leave their doors unlocked?

Just pre-coffee ideas...

paris:

meant to say, if the red truck on Bradley Hill road it is the same red truck RO saw then it had to drive by the Weatherbarn.

It is possible that the red truck had a scanner in the car, and responded to Faith's call, and passed the accident scene and journey on to Bradley Hill Road and waited, or even walked through the woods to the accident scene.

Also, did the person coming from the hospital see the red truck. Did they see SBD.

Did the SBD see red truck at RO when he passed? Did RO see the SBD pass, believe she did not?

Yes the report of witnesses passing the saturn has always been a head banger, bad reporting?

thinking out loud hear, can't come to grips with what happened to Maura and law enforcements lack of any official statement.

A little help from law enforcement would be benefical, such as if they tested the DNA on the airbag, bottle and cap found, then they likely know if Maura was driving the car when the airbag detonated (lol) and if there was a passenger, and if Maura was in the car at all when the airbags exploded.

One would think that the residents of the area might be afraid that there is a killer loose, and one would think that law enforcement might make some statement regarding this matter, because if I lived there, I would be afraid. We know that the police do not think she ran away of her own volition and that this is a criminal investigation.

Can't follow that the police have not said anything to crush the fears that Maura might have been murdered there or abducted, why then are the police not revealing any information, and also, would not other people be at risk.

Of course I know the people who live in the area are concerned, very concerned, but just can't grasp why police do not address these fears.

I'm talking in circles, but just can't figure how the police are so sure someone else is not at risk
and have not addressed this issue? I would hope that the police have not given the people of the area a false sense of security. The only conclusion I can come up with is, Obviously if there is a suspect, he/they live elsewhere or the person is already in custody? What are we missing here?

Around and around we go, trying to calculate what happened?

quija wrote:

Does anyone have more details (or could repeat the details) regarding the footprints in the back (?) of JM's yard? I know where the scent trail went, and where we were told it didn't go (JM's yard), but I wonder how we could twist the facts (haha) to consider that Maura might have walked up a plowed or shoveled path to the M's house and periodically she or someone else went out the back to try to peak around (out of sight) to see what was going on at the accident site?
Were the M's home that night or not?
Did they leave their doors unlocked?
Just pre-coffee ideas...

or the red truck driver was in the woods

Yes they were home, I believe initially we referred to this household as the silent witnesses, as they were only named once in the press. But someone will correct me, if in error, no doubt there. Which is a good thing.

Beagle wrote:

<quoted text>But just in case, they bring in big trucks full of stuff like chlorine. Which you obviously should never mix with ammonia. Bad, bad, bad for the kidneys.

Ok, that was kinda funny....even though we're talking about private wells that don't necessarily get treated.(and our house is so old our well is attached to part of the basement. Still a feat, since you'd have to balance over the well pump and the stone sill in the dark!)

"peripeteia"]
A little help from law enforcement would be benefical, such as if they tested the DNA on the airbag, bottle and cap found, then they likely know if Maura was driving the car when the airbag detonated (lol) and if there was a passenger, and if Maura was in the car at all when the airbags exploded.

***is it a reasonable expectation for LE to release information such as you desire from an ongoing investigation? do you believe they have an obligation to do so? should you approach them directly, and document their reply, once and for all?***

One would think that the residents of the area might be afraid that there is a killer loose, and one would think that law enforcement might make some statement regarding this matter, because if I lived there, I would be afraid. We know that the police do not think she ran away of her own volition and that this is a criminal investigation.

***i thought the police believe she is a runaway? i thought there is no evidence of a crime having been committed against Maura, and that her status is as a missing person? would it not be a leap for local residents to be fearful and conclude a killer is on the loose when they have not been alerted by LE that they are at risk?***
I'm talking in circles,...

***indeed***

Around and around we go,...

***indeed***

quija wrote:

Does anyone have more details (or could repeat the details) regarding the footprints in the back (?) of JM's yard? I know where the scent trail went, and where we were told it didn't go (JM's yard), but I wonder how we could twist the facts (haha) to consider that Maura might have walked up a plowed or shoveled path to the M's house and periodically she or someone else went out the back to try to peak around (out of sight) to see what was going on at the accident site?
Were the M's home that night or not?
Did they leave their doors unlocked?
Just pre-coffee ideas...

May I ask where the info on the footprints behind the house came from? Was it in a police report or was it told to someone and if yes who was it told to?

JM told Weeper.

Wowzer wrote:

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May I ask where the info on the footprints behind the house came from? Was it in a police report or was it told to someone and if yes who was it told to?

Thank You for answering one of my questions.
I still would like to know what time your
BH resident saw the red truck? Did the description match that of RO.

Detective Columbo wrote:

Once the westman's heard the thud and acceleration she walked to the window from where the computer was. If it took her even a few seconds she probably would not have seen the truck because it would have turned up BH Rd.
I am stating that she at least walked to the corner of BH Rd. and Rte 112, after that one cannot be sure.
I wish I knew why Maura left Amherst, but I do not have that info and not sure if anyone really does. Maybe someone, but noone that has given the info as of yet.